WordWolf

It's old news that the splinters often act as airlocks. People jump from twi to a splinter, realize there's life outside twi, then realize there's life outside the splinters and that they can do better, so they jump from the splinter to anything else, whether another Christian group or denomination, or another religion, or another philosophy, or supposedly nothing at all, depending on their personal inclinations.

Yes. I didn't realize we covered him so recently. Human should have taken it when he had the chance.

Yes, and written they way their advertised it- so, written the way I liked to pronounce it when it hit the theaters- "Star The Empire Strikes Back Wars."

Mainly, I posted links to the other discussions. If they want to follow up on the mundane practice of vocalizing, or discuss the Bible on it, or approach it skeptically, they can follow the links to the other discussions and revive whichever one they want to participate in.

I understood what they SAID just fine. They didn't address my pain at all. In fact, they had me sit up in the ER to take chest x-rays, even though I was partly in shock and unable to sit still for the x-rays because I was in so much pain. (They had to try more than once, and I recall the tech sounding indignant at having to work for it and insisting I sit up and sit still, and I remember the pain- which cut through the shock enough that I recall the tech.) After my processing, they did nothing for the pain. When I proved unable to sleep by lying completely still on my back in a room where babies cried every 2 hours and people came about every 2 hours to take a blood sample. they allowed me up to 3 shots so I could sleep. I was allowed up to 3 because they were potentially addictive, so I supposedly had the option not to take all 3. The first night, I had one and slept. The 2nd night, I had the 2nd at the same time and slept. The 3rd night, my body had the idea and was falling asleep by itself without any request for a shot. I was woken up by a nurse giving me the shot I neither requested nor needed, and watching a family member just sorta stare blankly rather than tell them to back off. That's the entire amount of "pain management" I had in the place. I had to handle the rest myself. My broken ribs were "treated" by leaving them alone and letting them knit entirely by themselves- which they did. My head injury was watched and someone checked that I didn't sound like I'd lost 100 IQ points or something. My spinal injury (the actual first injury) was completely ignored, and was completely untreated. (That had consequences that dogged me for DECADES, and I was of the impression I had head injuries that were permanent and untreatable. No, almost all of it was spinal injuries that were COMPLETELY treatable- and would have been paid for by the responsible party if anyone had bothered to check.) My "incentive spirometry" was definitely compromised by a lot of pain. I was told to do it and ignore the pain. I was definitely told there was already an EXISTING problem with a build-up in my lungs that was causing pneumonia, caused by shallow breathing and treatable by non-shallow breathing. My ambulation was impaired by extensive spinal misalignment, which threw my sense of balance off greatly. With lots of practice, I learned to compensate for the loss of equilibrium and use my sense of sight more to determine balance. One year of chiropractic treatments many years later, and the results were dramatic. (I felt 10 years younger and healthier.) Oh, when I wanted to try to walk, I wanted some kind of stick I could ground to balance myself if I felt dizzy and had to stand still. The hospital refused to OK that, and my family refused to get something. Imagine my surprise years later when I found out I could freaking go into any good pharmacy and buy a stick cheaply, with some even selling foldable things. My biggest concern- which slowed my walking- was falling down and re-injuring my ribs. Somehow, nobody seemed to think this was a credible risk. (Except my roommate, who lent me a crutch so I could carry it around and plant it as soon as I felt dizzy, so I could actually practice walking again.) Incentive to getting out, to me, was more a matter of "I have to get well enough to get out before these stooges injure me further" than anything else. If that was the intent of the care, then it succeeded, but I think that was an unintended side-effect. For me, the moral of this story is that city hospitals (and especially Jacobi Hospital) are just plain awful places if you really care about the person receiving treatment. I've heard other horror stories about other city hospitals from people who were forced to spend time in them.

A) He mixed the topics, I responded briefly to his post. Responding briefly to YOUR post: B) IF the Bible is actually correct, the things in I Corinthians called "interpretation" (of tongues) and "prophecy" are, apparently, supernatural, as is the tongue. The thing twi'ers were taught was the same thing mainly resembles it in being told "this is the same thing" and people believing it's the same thing. (ThingS, but you know what I mean.) Some threads we discussed this on.... One side-thread on "what is language" - https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24206-what-is-language/ One side-thread on "free vocalization" (a non-supernatural/ mundane practice actors do) https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/23550-free-vocalization/ This one started with links to all the other threads: Another discussion on SIT https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24434-another-discussion-on-sit-and-the-bible/ And several of those are in Doctrinal, one in Questioning Faith, and 2 in About the Way. If anyone wants to discuss something relevant, they should pick the thread that it's relevant TO and revive the thread. (The GSC doesn't mind "necroíng" a thread if it's relevant.)

The lack of consulting anyone at the hospital- no doctor, no clerk with access to the records, no nurse who treated the patient- makes this newspaper article of the same caliber as the articles in the "Weekly World News" about Batboy. All unconfirmed quotes, all accounts of what someone said, with no attempts to find out if they're mistaken, lying, deluded, etc. IIRC, my high school newspaper was held to better standards- I know my college newspaper was.

I think some of us find this story of interest, but for very different reasons than you do. Also, nothing even in the newspaper article suggested this was a "dead raising."

I'm not sure about some of the details. However, I know a show that was set in Los Angeles, aired on the WB, was a rough contemporary of Smallville, and had characters named "Darla" and "Fred" (WINIFRED, but "Fred" to her friends.) This should be "ANGEL."

BTW, since I didn't mention it, the first quote was an interesting exchange. Burns had said that Klinger was "an enlisted man." So, they asked Klinger if he ever actually "ENLISTED." He told this story of how he responded to being drafted and called up for duty. Hawkeye and Trapper were amused by his account, but I forgot who said what in that exchange.

Jon Rubin Sam Nicoletti Bruce Pearson Alfredo Berlinghieri Monroe Stahr Jimmy Doyle Lloyd Barker Mario Trantino John "Johnny Boy" Civello Michael Vronsky Desmond "Des" Spellacy Rupert Pupkin David "Noodles" Aaronson Frank Raftis Archibald "Harry" Tuttle Rodrigo Mendoza Louis Cyphre Jack Walsh

Uh, Screamin' Jay Hawkins' "I Put a Spell on You???"

Some of this is eventually self-correcting. With the numbers of new people affected by twi dwindling, this problem afflicts fewer people because twi trains fewer people in its dysfunctional methods. So, over the decades, the puffed-up leaders get old and die of old age if nothing else. Most people who leave twi, after a few years, discover their splinters (if they jump to one) aren't helping them, and they get on with their lives without splinters. Those ex-twi who don't, generally end up in groups with no authority figure at all, and end up just doing house-church. Those can actually work and help people, depending on who's teaching and what they're teaching. Since that's a system that selects AGAINST authority figures, it selects for the more "Christian" types who actually wanted to help people and do the right thing from Day One. (I don't think there's sizeable numbers of those, but I know they exist.)

I'm sorry to bring this up since it's unrelated to the main thread, but now I'm trying to figure something out for a personal reason, which, I'm sure, you can see. When I was laid up in the hospital with broken ribs (and other fun injuries), I was breathing shallowly due to having broken ribs. The doctors said that I had to breathe more deeply because the shallow breathing was causing me to get fluid in the lungs and pneumonia. So, I had to breathe deeper to get rid of that. I even had to practice with a "spirometer" that looked like a toy and measured how hard I was inhaling if I inhaled through it. Perhaps the doctors were in error or explaining poorly. They were in a city hospital, which, for reasons unclear to me, my parents insisted on keeping me in (even though the party at fault was paying for the hospital stay so we didn't have to worry about the cost- and lied to me about, promising I would be transferred for several days.) With all of those in mind: A) Were the doctors describing something incorrectly, whether to "dumb it down" or out of simple incompetence? B) If true, was my deeper breathing getting rid of pneumonia and preventing more? If so, doesn't a machine that breathes for a coma patient ALSO prevent pneumonia the same way? C) Was my treatment a sign of general incompetence all around and they thought I was cared for, or does it look like my parents really didn't mind I was getting bad care? (Ok, that last one isn't a medical question, but I am curious how it looks to a neutral party. Some of my injuries were never even LOOKED AT, let alone treated. I finally got them treated a few years ago, and felt 10 years younger.)

Jon Rubin Sam Nicoletti Bruce Pearson Alfredo Berlinghieri Monroe Stahr Jimmy Doyle Lloyd Barker Mario Trantino John Civello Michael Vronsky Desmond Spellacy Rupert Pupkin

I'm sure you meant more to offer it for others to like, which happened with Allan. However, you phrased it with a question- so we answered your question. Most of us don't have a beef with you even if we disagree. (Most of us don't have detailed, personal reasons to have a beef with you. One of us certainly seems to.) Mind you, I'm sure we all reserve the right to change our opinions and tones, one way or another, depending on what we're responding to. (We've seen posters condemn women for the crime of letting vpw drug and rape them, then later say that he drugged and raped them- and some of us responded rather sharply to that, for example.) Also, there's no single consensus of opinion around here. We are all free to think as we wish, and to disagree freely. So, we do. Please don't think otherwise, and don't paint all of us with the same brush. (Now, THAT can get everyone to start liking you less...)

I tend to approach testimonies carefully BECAUSE I know that some people are: A) great big liars or B) not smart and honestly mistaken or unobservant or C) fanatical enough to ignore more mundane possibilities So, I don't dismiss them categorically. but I do approach them carefully, and I tend not to blow a trumpet on things I've been in on. However, I'll let you have one for free. It happened back in 1988. There was this guy coming off the WOW field. He was on a super-tight budget and "camping" in airports because hotel rooms would have been outside his budget. (He said some things happened in the last few days of his tour of wow-ness.) His plan at the end was to wait in a local airport where he was, take a plane to Dayton Airport the day before everybody travels there for the ROA (the day before twi sent the shuttle buses to pick people up at the airport), and "camp" in the airport until the next day when the shuttle buses showed up. He prayed about all this regularly, of course. As it turned out, the assigned seat next to his was occupied by someone arriving a day early for the ROA. They were going to be picked up at the airport by another attendee, go have dinner, then proceed to an RV that was going to be mostly vacant until the next day when the others arrived. Because of that, the guy had a lift, a place to stay for the night, and people to hang out with and watch his back. The odds of him sitting next to someone else attending were small. This was the day before, and it wasn't like the NEXT day the airport would be full of ROA attendees, nor the planes. It appeared as if the only person on the plane who was going there was seated next to him. The probability of that happening by chance was not zero, it was not impossible. However, it was incredibly improbable- enough, at the very least, to raise a few eyebrows. How do I know this happened? I was the guy in the other seat. As to anything else that he said happened in the days before, I didn't witness them so I don't know for sure they happened, or that they happened quite the way he said. However, what I saw was interesting enough, to say the least.

jim jack, thread's original post: "What thinkest thou?? ;^) " waysider: "In my opinion, you're dabbling in self delusion." Rocky: "That said, even if (though) I think you're likely off your rocker, who am I to judge you if you're not hurting anyone? Otherwise, I'm inclined to agree with Waysider. " WordWolf: " What do I think? 1) I think God does have information to give us. 2) I think we are far too quick to label things as information God has for us. (snip) Taking all of THAT into consideration, what would I say about what you're doing? I think it's much the same. (snip) That doesn't make you a bad person, nor crazy. It doesn't make you right nor receiving messages from God, either." jim jack: "At this point I'm not really looking for so called "approval" from anyone" Well, you were in the original post. If you ask for people's opinions- which you did- don't be shocked when some of them, or all of them, disagree with you.

As to the poster, yes, that's a lot of information on which to form an opinion. I'm curious-but will get no answer- on the tiny minutiae of the lungs functioning in this instance. I'm well aware (broken ribs inspire shallow breathing) that pneumonia is no joke, and can result from an infection in the lungs (introduced matter COULD cause that, I suppose, if it introduced a virus or made it easy for a virus to thrive) or from an inability to properly inflate the lungs. (If you can't take even an OCCASIONAL deep breath, you're at risk for pneumonia.) I would imagine that pneumonia here would be prevented by some respiratory machine that made sure the lungs fully inflated every once in a while, a respirator or some other device, I really don't know what each would do but it seems the obvious answer. If anyone's curious, now that DWBH's refreshed my memory and added to what I'd known, I'll mention that the epiglottis is the thing that covers the windpipe and keeps us from something "going down the wrong pipe" when we accidentally inhale some food or drink. Lots of things can cause problems that affect it or compromise it, and that's potentially dangerous for our thinking.

Next round, let's see.... Jon Rubin Sam Nicoletti Bruce Pearson Alfredo Berlinghieri Monroe Stahr Jimmy Doyle

"I won't fail you. I'm not afraid." "You will be. You... will... be." "All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing."

Would you believe I have the thing on DVD? I found it on extreme clearance. Paid $2 something for it. I figured that- even if it was awful- it would be worth at least that. I feel I got my money's worth, and paying that little made me feel better about how badly it stunk. Now I need to come up with a movie, let's see...

Was this set in Los Angeles?

So, Human's turn.

Thank you, it helps a lot. As someone whose main information about intubation centers around "once had a tube down his throat towards his stomach", I am understandably curious about some really specific things. (In my case, I had broken ribs, and the tube was to occasionally introduce something to neutralize my stomach acids and keep them from climbing up and dissolving stuff. I was 'eating" by IV at the time, so my digestive system had nothing to digest, and a bored digestive system is a mischievous digestive system. BTW, It's hard to talk with one of those in- lots of talking and you're at risk of throwing up.) So, I'm curious about a really, really minor point- where the stomach contents went. Did some of them end up in the windpipe and thus in the lungs, introducing foreign matter into the lungs? (I know I'm the only one who's curious, so if it's not worth it, don't bother. I'm not trying to disintegrate YOUR grey matter in the process. ;) ) BTW, thanks for explaining that you know him PERSONALLY. That explains your reaction. Any chance you haven't heard from him in decades, and he MIGHT have improved since then, or are you roughly aware of how he's been doing down the decades? (I'm guessing the latter, but I shouldn't guess.)