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Any chance this was DEBBIE REYNOLDS?

It was not an episode of "The Flash." What counts as a spin-off of Arrow is definitely open to interpretation. (Mrs Wolf and I certainly disagree on that subject.)

Sorry about the spelling/ I'm not interested in chick flicks in general. Sports neither, unless it's a hitting sport (boxing, fencing, TKD...) Give me a few hours on the next one.

Correct. Angel himself was turned into a puppet in one episode. George should be able to deduce what the other one is, based on what's been posted so far- by him and me.

This is a weird round, but this is what I want to post now. There were two shows, one previous, one current. Both are/were supposed to be action shows, of some sort, and had/ have some comedic moments. Both shows have something specific in common (and probably nothing else.) Both shows have had at least one main character TRANSFORMED INTO A PUPPET during an episode. Both shows can be considered "spin-offs" of an existing show (one of them was, the other COULD be considered one if you're very, very flexible on how you use that definition.) Name either show.

Right. It had a title role, so that eliminated a bunch of "sport" movies. OH! "JERRY MC GUIRE!"

Victor Garber wanted to leave the show, so Dr Stein was killed off (I would have liked keeping Franz Drameh on as Jax, however.) Later, someone wanted to help the group get some closure, so they made a Dr Stein puppet so people could say what they always meant to say- to the puppet. Later, a demon or something (dybbuk) that possesses puppets got ahold of the Stein puppet and took it over. But that's not Stein, that's "Mike The Spike", voiced by Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee Herman.) So, Stein does not count, nor does Mike The Spike.

Right,

I actually like the connotations of "advance" over "retreat" and prefer it semantically. However, that doesn't change the fact that almost nobody else uses "advance" that way. (NYCoC did when I was in college, but that's the only other example I've seen.) "Opportunity" for "problem" is another good one. It helps to focus in a more positive light when taking action- thinking you can make a difference tends to make you more successful when you try then thinking you're hopeless when trying. However, twi made it into catch-phrases and excuses. "Being negative" and "thinking positive", as used in twi, were possibly good ideas if used carefully, but harmful as twi pushes them. It's of a piece with the Word-Faith movement in general, but twi specifically uses these phrases as waysider said- ignoring a problem, avoiding looking at problems, and avoiding PLANNING for problems because you had to "think negatively" to prepare for unforeseen problems. This was one reason twi'ers never saved money- and they were told to send it to twi instead. "Abundant sharing." twi was never satisfied with a 10% tithe. vpw tried it early on, and when he had the chance, pushed for more. People were expected to give 15% or even 20% AS A MINIMUM. ("Israel gave 10%, God expects more from us.") "Plurality Giving," Cover all your expenses from your pay period, then take all the money that's left and give that to twi. That was a phrase, that was a thing. It was even promoted with an "Acts 29" song about it. vpw really wanted THAT if he could get it. 10% tithe? Pshaw! If he could get 50-60%, he'd snatch that from anyone's hands he could. "Stand on the Word" often was used FOR cognitive dissonance, but didn't mean that directly. It was allegedly about following principles in the Bible, but in practice it was about following whatever rules twi set up, and obeying those without question. For that matter, "the Word", rather than "God's Word" or "The Word of God" seems to be another little distinction between US and THEM.

Right. Both of those are specifically expressions used by twi/ex-twi and by nobody else.

Manipulation of language is not exclusive to cults. Many people don't realize that's what they're doing when they do it. It's a Sociology/ Social Psychology thing. There are two kinds of people: US and THEM. And that's the line of demarcation. Groups that build loyalty and social cohesion tend to build on things that highlight and manufacture the differences between US and THEM. So, one of the very first things is the language/jargon. You can tell who is/was part of a group you're in based on the jargon they use or don't use (unless they're making an effort to avoid using jargon they know, which would be a conscious decision.) So, there's NEW words, and there's words and phrases that are used in new and different ways, and there's words which are used a lot and words which are avoided or deprecated. Ok, we're discussing examples from twi. In twi, "Christian" actually became a derisive term, a deprecated term. It was a term used by the unenlightened to refer to Christians, because it ignorantly referred to "Christ-in" without knowing it did so. (In reality, it did NO SUCH THING. For group cohesion, however, truth is irrelevant, and group dynamics are what count.) When rfr gave court testimony, the question came up as to what people were supposed to do if their orders from HQ contradicted legality. She gave an evasive answer that said a lot to those who knew twi. (If the thing had gone to a full trial, it would have been fun for the lawyers to question her directly on it-I think they were saving the fun for the trial.) She said she "expect them to do the Word." An evasion. However, according to twi, the most important tenet is to FOLLOW LEADERSHIP, EVEN OFF OF A CLIFF, and if leadership is wrong, then follow them anyway and "GOD WILL COVER." So, "do the Word" means "obey leadership blndly even unto painful death."

Ok, I can look her up now. *looks* Oh, yeah. She was on that show, "Empire", with Terrence Howard. Judging by that first name, I was almost sure she was in the Black Panther movie, but she was not. She was, however, the Mom in the remake of The Karate Kid Jackie Chan the Cannonball Run

This is a weird round, but this is what I want to post now. There were two shows, one previous, one current. Both are/were supposed to be action shows, of some sort, and had/ have some comedic moments. Both shows have something specific in common (and probably nothing else.) Both shows have had at least one main character TRANSFORMED INTO A PUPPET during an episode. Name either show.

The official title is "Istanbul (not Constantinople)", so you're correct. They Might Be Giants did the cover, at something like double-time of the original song with different instruments. The original was performed by "The Four Lads." BTW, it seems that the lyrics differed slightly. TMBG sang "Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul not Constantinople.." The Four Lads sang "Every gal in Constantinople is a Miss-tan-bul, not Constantinople..." I think I prefer the original lyrics. The remake was a lot of fun, though.

"Been a long time gone, Constantinople Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night. Every gal in Constantinople" "Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way." "So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks." This song was a hit in 1953 for the original band, and in 1990 for an "alternative" band.

Ok, finished LoT and now I can read this thread again without (many) spoilers. Some thoughts.... Mrs Wolf was delighted that "the garden gnome" was among the monsters that needed a jailbreak. We've been waiting for that thing to appear since "Legends of To-meow-meow", when one timeline showed both Henshaws murdered by a garden gnome. If that thing took down both of them, it's a lot tougher than it looks. It's also neat that the Stein puppet is still possessed. I was really curious what it was going to do in the show, especially since it looks nothing like a monster. (Which, I imagine, kept it warming the bench.) I imagine being stuck in a cell with Ray could end up brainwashing VS or anyone else truly trapped with him. I was SO glad that wasn't a ploy to ride his escape. Looks like the brother is now a Legend, replacing the sister in the present. BTW, I called the "swap their appearances" as a legit plan as soon as it was clear Nate had to be snuffed. I was rather shocked that the team was neither trying CPR nor waking up Gary. Nora's new job has some discretion and leeway, and she needs to explore that more. Glad Tabitha's gone for good. I have to say, for a place so many were scared to be sent, "hell" seemed pretty watered-down. People there held down jobs and had entertainment. It didn't even seem to qualify as standard Purgatory. Frankly, I've been in scarier places. Then again, I used to ride the subway through the South Bronx every night, and I've seen Bea Arthur sing. The 3 bosses seemed rather blase and casual about somebody shoving all of them aside. They had NO plan to prevent that at all, and were fine with it? As an aside, as a DC fan, with 3 demons mentioned together, I was hoping for Abnegazar, Rath and Ghast. https://www.retroist.com/2019/04/22/whos-who-abnegazar-rath-and-ghast/ https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Demons_Three

"Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way." "So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks."

Accepted Justin Long Galaxy Quest

Gone in 60 Seconds Angelina Jolie Mr and Mrs Smith

Next song. I hope someone gets it, since I'll have trouble not including the title. "Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way."

I suppose, in an absolute sense, that's true. In practice, however, I'd probably follow that behavior more with, say, one guy teaching the Bible in his living room than, say, the official head of some splinter organization. I'd be a LOT more leery of those. In an absolutist sense, perhaps one should consider they MAY not be the pride-blinded bloodsuckers that some of their peers are. At the same time, one should be prepared for the possibility that they interpret "Hello" as "Tell me about the latest thing for which you're charging money." (JAL's standard response when he's hawking Momentus under the table while he's denying he is, for example.) Then again, at my first twig meeting, I kept one eye on the door the entire time.

I thought that would make it a LOT easier to guess, actually. I thought it would be snapped up with the first quote. The food quote certainly would have given it away to me, not even counting the reference to being able to sue "HER" since it was the Old West and not the present.

And Raf's gotten me back for the previous "ear worm."

The drunk in cell 2 had just woken up. Some people called him "Jim." (Probably because that was his name.) He refused breakfast for a bottle of whiskey.

That first exchange is followed up with "Oh, blow it out your @$$." During the initial attack of desperadoes on Rock Ridge, one man is dragged by a horse. "Well, that's the end of this suit." The food line was during the fight in the commissary. Mongo smashed Taggart (Slim P) and sent him sailing across the tray line, covered in food. The cashier rang him up for the food he was wearing. One showing of this movie on TV had 2 diehard fans of the movie watching with a host. Before they went to commercial breaks, the host would ask a trivia question, and they had to try to write down the answer during the break. Then the next segment aired, with the answer. The last one asked which foods were rung up. Yes, I got it right from home. Governor LePetomane was meeting with politicians in his office when the telegram came from Rock Ridge asking for help and a Sheriff. "The Gov" heard it and replied this. Then they all "harrumphed" (except for one man who had to do it alone. "You watch your @$$.") Looks like all the quotes aren't giveaways.