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Ok, spooky movies. Get any to take the round. A) This movie was a take-off on horror movies. People went to a schlock movie festival, and ended up stumbling into the 80s horror flick that was playing. They were unable to escape without making it to the end of the movie, and it just looped back if they attempted to avoid arriving at the summer camp. One participant was the daughter of one of the actresses in that turkey, who of course looked like the character but didn't share the same memories or personality. They tried to kill the serial killer who was "killed" in the summer camp and now preyed on the too-stupid-to-live counselors readying the camp for use, while trying to keep the movie's cast alive. A decision was made to make this a take-off (thus, a comedy and PG-13) rather than a more straightforward copy (an R movie would limit the theater audience.) The title references a phrase that does not actually appear in horror films. B) This horror movie takes place in an elevator. A number of bad people are trapped in an elevator, and a sort of monster is trapped with them- is the killer one of them? Although we do see the building and the sidewalk, the bulk of the movie takes place in the elevator (or with the building staff trying to get it moving again.)

In case anyone's curious, at one time or another, I have seen at least a few episodes of each of these.

Once again, name ANY to take the round. They're all game shows. A) This British game show is not about people giving technically correct answers. It is far more concerned that the answers not be cliched (while being wrong) and that the answers given be INTERESTING. So, interesting trivia is worth points even if it did nothing to answer the question. Cliches are punished with a foghorn/ klaxon-like sound while the monitors behind the players displays the cliche. Returning players who are predictable while being wrong can lose points quite easily. (My favorite example....One comedienne was fond of making jokes at her own expense. "What was The Great Disappointment?" Comedienne: "Have you been talking to my husband?" *KLAXON* *the sentence "Have you been talking to my husband?" appeared on the monitors* ) Players are comedians, actors, and minor celebrities, occasionally including a PhD whose known in the UK. B) This British game show pits families against each other in attempts to answer more questions, and outscore all other families, to win a prize like a trip to the Kennedy Space Center. C) This US game show pit children against each other, answering incredibly difficult questions. An eidetic memory was quite useful. Neil Patrick Harris hosted this one. Each episode had 2 teams of 3 kids pitted against each other, with the kids getting to name their team. D) This US game show from decades ago was the only game show that was set in Oahu, and was the only game show filmed entirely on location in Hawaii. It was hosted by Bob Eubanks and the theme song was composed by Alan Thicke. The location is obvious when watching it- because it was Hawaii- themed. E) This "game show" was hosted by Rip Taylor. It used a lot of the crew from "the Gong Show" and was a takeoff on beauty pageants. The winner received a very small prize. She walked the runway as a winner, while Rip Taylor serenaded her in a takeoff of Bert Parks, then used a change-holder on his belt to dispense her winnings. If you remember the show, you remember how much she won. F) This short-lived TV show was based on a party game. The singer, Adam Wade, was the host- making him the first African-American game show host in the US. A number of singers and singing groups appeared in this show's run. When the singer stopped singing their song, a contestant had to ring in and identify the next line from the options offered. The theme song was sung by the host. G) Celebrities were put on the spot with someone who was close to them, usually a Significant Other. The audience was divided by color- red, blue, or banana, and rooted for one celebrity "couple" to win- because that section would split the winnings. The logo for the show contained an enormous letter "T".  H) This show had 2 hosts- Bill Anderson and Sarah Purcell. It pitted 6 male contestants against 6 female contestants. The US version aired from 1977 to 1978 originally. I) This show aired from 1969 to 1973 in its original run. It had a number of international versions. First Jack Kelly, then Joe Garagiola hosted this show. It was a general knowledge show. Players answered questions for points. Periodically, an item was offered. Players had the option of "buying" them (to keep no matter what) in exchange for a certain amount removed from their score to "pay for it." About a decade ago, an attempt at a revival was made- but this show was called "Temptation." J) The opening animation of this game show was accompanied by the following, with music in the background: "Close Calls! Na-a-a-a-rrow Escapes! Split-second Decisions! And $25,000 in cash! A combination guaranteed to make you say... " The final season of this show included celebrities, which added the word "celebrity" to the title. The show's infamous 'gauntlet of villains' was composed of- Alphonse the Gangster, Bruno the Headsman, Mr. Van Louse the Landlord, Nero the Fiddler, Count Nibbleneck the Vampire, Frank and his little friend Stein ,Kid Rotten the Gunslinger, Jeremy Swash the Pirate, Dr. Deranged the Mad Scientist, Lucretia the Witch. K) This show featured a panel of SIX celebrities, and contestants had to "capture" one based on whether or not they agreed or disagreed with the celebrity's answer. Whenever I heard the title, I thought of a defunct SF TV show, and later, a minor Marvel superhero made me think of this then-defunct show. L) This TV show featured contestants competing to outscore each other in an arcade game (different games each episode). It was the first TV show to do so, but I'll accept as correct any of the copycat show names, instead (they're all pretty obscure.) M) This US show included 30 different packages. A contestant got to pick one. The box was brought down, and the contents of the attached envelope (money) were given to the contestant. If they wished, they could trade that for whatever prize was 'in" the box. Possibilities included a "klunk" (something worthless), a trip somewhere, a car, an appliance, and so on. Upon their decision, the show went into a little skit, where the host took us on a little trip to revealing what was in the box (often leading to something worthless that in turn led to an actual good prize.) If the Grand Prize was not selected, then the end of the show included someone from security being brought in, confirming it was placed before the show began, then revealing which box held the $25,000 check.

Plants also don't participate in discussions on the significance of life, death, and anything beyond that (if there is anything). Any that are capable of doing so are nevertheless welcome to join this discussion, provided they sign up for this message board first.

Once again, name ANY to take the round. They're all game shows. A) This British game show is not about people giving technically correct answers. It is far more concerned that the answers not be cliched (while being wrong) and that the answers given be INTERESTING. So, interesting trivia is worth points even if it did nothing to answer the question. Cliches are punished with a foghorn/ klaxon-like sound while the monitors behind the players displays the cliche. Returning players who are predictable while being wrong can lose points quite easily. (My favorite example....One comedienne was fond of making jokes at her own expense. "What was The Great Disappointment?" Comedienne: "Have you been talking to my husband?" *KLAXON* *the sentence "Have you been talking to my husband?" appeared on the monitors* ) Players are comedians, actors, and minor celebrities, occasionally including a PhD whose known in the UK. B) This British game show pits families against each other in attempts to answer more questions, and outscore all other families, to win a prize like a trip to the Kennedy Space Center. C) This US game show pit children against each other, answering incredibly difficult questions. An eidetic memory was quite useful. Neil Patrick Harris hosted this one. Each episode had 2 teams of 3 kids pitted against each other, with the kids getting to name their team. D) This US game show from decades ago was the only game show that was set in Oahu, and was the only game show filmed entirely on location in Hawaii. It was hosted by Bob Eubanks and the theme song was composed by Alan Thicke. The location is obvious when watching it- because it was Hawaii- themed. E) This "game show" was hosted by Rip Taylor. It used a lot of the crew from "the Gong Show" and was a takeoff on beauty pageants. The winner received a very small prize. She walked the runway as a winner, while Rip Taylor serenaded her in a takeoff of Bert Parks, then used a change-holder on his belt to dispense her winnings. If you remember the show, you remember how much she won. F) This short-lived TV show was based on a party game. The singer, Adam Wade, was the host- making him the first African-American game show host in the US. A number of singers and singing groups appeared in this show's run. When the singer stopped singing their song, a contestant had to ring in and identify the next line from the options offered. The theme song was sung by the host. G) Celebrities were put on the spot with someone who was close to them, usually a Significant Other. The audience was divided by color- red, blue, or banana, and rooted for one celebrity "couple" to win- because that section would split the winnings. The logo for the show contained an enormous letter "T".  H) This show had 2 hosts- Bill Anderson and Sarah Purcell. It pitted 6 male contestants against 6 female contestants. The US version aired from 1977 to 1978 originally. I) This show aired from 1969 to 1973 in its original run. It had a number of international versions. First Jack Kelly, then Joe Garagiola hosted this show. It was a general knowledge show. Players answered questions for points. Periodically, an item was offered. Players had the option of "buying" them (to keep no matter what) in exchange for a certain amount removed from their score to "pay for it." About a decade ago, an attempt at a revival was made- but this show was called "Temptation."

Once again, name ANY to take the round. They're all game shows. A) This British game show is not about people giving technically correct answers. It is far more concerned that the answers not be cliched (while being wrong) and that the answers given be INTERESTING. So, interesting trivia is worth points even if it did nothing to answer the question. Cliches are punished with a foghorn/ klaxon-like sound while the monitors behind the players displays the cliche. Returning players who are predictable while being wrong can lose points quite easily. (My favorite example....One comedienne was fond of making jokes at her own expense. "What was The Great Disappointment?" Comedienne: "Have you been talking to my husband?" *KLAXON* *the sentence "Have you been talking to my husband?" appeared on the monitors* ) Players are comedians, actors, and minor celebrities, occasionally including a PhD whose known in the UK. B) This British game show pits families against each other in attempts to answer more questions, and outscore all other families, to win a prize like a trip to the Kennedy Space Center. C) This US game show pit children against each other, answering incredibly difficult questions. An eidetic memory was quite useful. Neil Patrick Harris hosted this one. Each episode had 2 teams of 3 kids pitted against each other, with the kids getting to name their team. D) This US game show from decades ago was the only game show that was set in Oahu, and was the only game show filmed entirely on location in Hawaii. It was hosted by Bob Eubanks and the theme song was composed by Alan Thicke. The location is obvious when watching it- because it was Hawaii- themed. E) This "game show" was hosted by Rip Taylor. It used a lot of the crew from "the Gong Show" and was a takeoff on beauty pageants. The winner received a very small prize. She walked the runway as a winner, while Rip Taylor serenaded her in a takeoff of Bert Parks, then used a change-holder on his belt to dispense her winnings. If you remember the show, you remember how much she won. F) This short-lived TV show was based on a party game. The singer, Adam Wade, was the host- making him the first African-American game show host in the US. A number of singers and singing groups appeared in this show's run. When the singer stopped singing their song, a contestant had to ring in and identify the next line from the options offered. The theme song was sung by the host. G) Celebrities were put on the spot with someone who was close to them, usually a Significant Other. The audience was divided by color- red, blue, or banana, and rooted for one celebrity "couple" to win- because that section would split the winnings. The logo for the show contained an enormous letter "T". 

Taking a swing here, was this "Breakin' 2- Electric Bugaloo?" I'm trying to think of subtitles that became catchphrases here,.

I thought the context of the original post made it clear that I was trying to articulate different PHILOSOPHICAL POSITIONS. That this was the position was the fact I was trying to outline. It's like the difference between "The police believe he's involved with this crime" and "he's involved with this crime." It's a lot easier to document the fact that the police believe that.

Sorry I'm late to the party, but correct. (My internet was down again. We're looking into changing companies.) I didn't see it either, but "SF flick with Molly Ringwald" would have given me that one in an instant. I'm shocked how many SF 3-D movies came out in such a small time, relatively speaking. In other news, the answer to Raf's current movie eludes me at the moment.

Sorry, I misspoke. What I meant to say is: "There's no 'reason' for 'LIFE', so there's no reason to exist after 'life' in any form. That is, there's no big answer to "We are alive because...." thus no reason for life, so there's no great significance to it- other than whatever significance we GIVE it. So, likewise, there would be no 'reason', no big answer, that accompanied death. We each have one life, and it's everything to US, so naturally we'd like to hang on to it. Most people agree that if you die, you lose something important. I was NOT trying to take a shot at anybody, I was trying to make a flat statement of fact that was accurate. Sometimes around 4am I can miss the mark.

A) This British game show is not about people giving technically correct answers. It is far more concerned that the answers not be cliched (while being wrong) and that the answers given be INTERESTING. So, interesting trivia is worth points even if it did nothing to answer the question. Cliches are punished with a foghorn/ klaxon-like sound while the monitors behind the players displays the cliche. Returning players who are predictable while being wrong can lose points quite easily. (My favorite example....One comedienne was fond of making jokes at her own expense. "What was The Great Disappointment?" Comedienne: "Have you been talking to my husband?" *KLAXON* *the sentence "Have you been talking to my husband?" appeared on the monitors* ) Players are comedians, actors, and minor celebrities, occasionally including a PhD whose known in the UK. B) This British game show pits families against each other in attempts to answer more questions, and outscore all other families, to win a prize like a trip to the Kennedy Space Center. C) This US game show pit children against each other, answering incredibly difficult questions. An eidetic memory was quite useful. Neil Patrick Harris hosted this one. Each episode had 2 teams of 3 kids pitted against each other, with the kids getting to name their team. D) This US game show from decades ago was the only game show that was set in Oahu, and was the only game show filmed entirely on location in Hawaii. It was hosted by Bob Eubanks and the theme song was composed by Alan Thicke. The location is obvious when watching it- because it was Hawaii- themed. E) This "game show" was hosted by Rip Taylor. It used a lot of the crew from "the Gong Show" and was a takeoff on beauty pageants. The winner received a very small prize. She walked the runway as a winner, while Rip Taylor serenaded her in a takeoff of Bert Parks, then used a change-holder on his belt to dispense her winnings. If you remember the show, you remember how much she won.

This Sci Fi Western was eclipsed, one week after its release, by a major Sci Fi flick. It starred Peter Strauss, Molly Ringwald, Ernie Hudson, and Michael Ironside. It was released in 3-D, but didn't rely on that gimmick to carry the movie. It packed a lot of story and events into its run time. Reviews have either been good or bad (one extreme or the other), with complaints of bad editing and compliments on the imaginative sets, and a comment that this movie is better watched from the living room than the movie theater. Also released in 3D around this time were movies like "Starchaser: the Legend of Orin" and "Metalstorm: the Destruction of Jared-Syn." I definitely sense a pattern here. Worse, it continued just after this movie's release with "Star Wars Episode 6- Return of the Jedi." (Although that movie was not in 3D.) Executive Producer Ivan Reitman labeled this movie "a space adventure with a sense of humor". The film takes place in 2136. Ernie Hudson was cast as Washington due to a resemblance to Billy Dee Williams/ Lando Calrissian. Some movie posters for the film featured a long text preamble that read: "Wolff and Nikki. He's an interstellar adventurer. She's a young rebel. Together they set out on a mission to rescue three stranded women. From a planet no one has warned them about. Because no one has ever returned". Because of the film's 3D format, taglines on film posters boasted that this film was, "The first movie that puts you in outer space". Due to 3D projection requiring silver screens, cinemas and drive-ins which only had white screens showed the movie in 2D, so as such, the picture rolled out in both 2D and 3D formats, as well as in 70mm in select locations.

It is not. Eubanks hosted quite a few game shows. The location of the one I mentioned is definitely a clue to which game show it is. (I sometimes suspect I'm the only one who remembers it who didn't work on it. Haven't seen it since it aired back then, either.)

Ok, next movie. This Sci Fi Western was eclipsed, one week after its release, by a major Sci Fi flick. It starred Peter Strauss, Molly Ringwald, Ernie Hudson, and Michael Ironside. It was released in 3-D, but didn't rely on that gimmick to carry the movie. It packed a lot of story and events into its run time. Reviews have either been good or bad (one extreme or the other), with complaints of bad editing and compliments on the imaginative sets, and a comment that this movie is better watched from the living room than the movie theater.

Jason had been a kid who went to Crystal Lake summer camp. He was teased, ridiculed, and otherwise ignored. He was believed to have drowned/died there, and that due to the counselors being more interested in sex, drinking, etc. rather than their jobs. (Thus the jokes about the movie being sponsored by the National Council of Churches, or something like that.) Mrs Voorhees later took revenge for that, on the counselors who were their successors (for some value of "successor"). I wondered why the juggling and stuff was a clue. "Friday the 13th Part 3-D" came out during the brief 3-D movie craze, along with "Jaws 3-D" and after "Coming At Ya!". I only saw that last one in the theaters. Actually, "Freddy vs Jason" is quite watchable. Freddy's made powerless by the remaining kids being kept from dreaming thanks to a medication, and being kept in the dark about him- so they can't actually fear him. So, he searches for some other way to instill fear, finding what was left of Jason, and figuring out a way to trick him and to return him to Earth. The plan works, and the kids start fearing- but Jason eclipses Freddy and Freddy can't add to his body count before Jason gets the kid. So, they end up in a sort-of fight. It's a shame that the titular line was left on the cutting room floor- "Freddy versus Jason, place your bets." This wasn't exactly Citizen Kane here, they could have gotten away with the line.

Ok, here's another round-up round. Answer any of these correctly to take the round. We're on game shows this time. A) This British game show is not about people giving technically correct answers. It is far more concerned that the answers not be cliched (while being wrong) and that the answers given be INTERESTING. So, interesting trivia is worth points even if it did nothing to answer the question. Cliches are punished with a foghorn/ klaxon-like sound while the monitors behind the players displays the cliche. Returning players who are predictable while being wrong can lose points quite easily. (My favorite example....One comedienne was fond of making jokes at her own expense. "What was The Great Disappointment?" Comedienne: "Have you been talking to my husband?" *KLAXON* *the sentence "Have you been talking to my husband?" appeared on the monitors* ) Players are comedians, actors, and minor celebrities, occasionally including a PhD whose known in the UK. B) This British game show pits families against each other in attempts to answer more questions, and outscore all other families, to win a prize like a trip to the Kennedy Space Center. C) This US game show pit children against each other, answering incredibly difficult questions. An eidetic memory was quite useful. Neil Patrick Harris hosted this one. Each episode had 2 teams of 3 kids pitted against each other, with the kids getting to name their team. D) This US game show from decades ago was the only game show that was set in Oahu, and was the only game show filmed entirely on location in Hawaii. It was hosted by Bob Eubanks and the theme song was composed by Alan Thicke.

We're open for discussion or the laying out of more positions, but I'm not going to wait for them to discuss the ones we have at hand. For the practicing (or professing) Christian, what's the standard for what to believe? For those most loyal to a denomination or a church, the answer is usually simple- the official stance of their group is correct no matter what. So, to them, truth is about conformity and/or popularity. That's definitely not my style, but I admit it sure keeps things simple and is very fast, requiring no work on their own behalf. For some, the answer may be more of "the long-held answers have been tested, so they're most likely correct". That can look just like the previous category, but has a bit more flexibility of idea, that is, that poor ideas may have been rejected. Certainly many of the silliest attempts at doctrine get excluded this way, so it's not without merit (although it's not my style, either.) Around this messageboard, it's no shock to see "sola scriptura" discussed or respected- that is, what's correct is what the Bible says, and mistakes are from either not reading it, or no understanding it, or not even trying to use it for a basis of doctrine or beliefs. Like all systems, this one isn't perfect, either. If your translation is faulty, your understanding will be faulty. If you don't understand your terms, your understanding will be faulty. If you come with preconceived notions, your understanding will be faulty. (Naturally, if the entire position is wrong, the same will result, but I count that under the translation being faulty.) That having been said, plenty of people who sincerely claimed they agreed with the Bible have disagreed with each other's positions, so it should come as no shock that those aforementioned problems are nothing small.

I would think it's appropriate, if we go anywhere with this, to at least mention all the main positions that are held or discussed, one way or another. So, we've mentioned reincarnation, and oblivion. One popular position among Christians is immediate, eternal judgement. The idea there is that the moment after death is a moment for one's eternal judgement. Those that are judged worthy (for some standard of worthy) make it into Heaven for eternity. Occasionally, there's levels of Heaven, but in Heaven for eternity no matter what. Those that are not judged worthy (for some standard of worthy) do NOT make it into Heaven. From those, there's a division. Some people believe in a Purgatory- a temporary place of punishment and/or purification, which is NOT eternal- after which the inmate is released and gets into Heaven for eternity. Some people believe in a Hell- a permanent place of punishment where the inmates suffer for eternity with no hope of release or Heaven. Some people believe in all 3 (where some go immediately to Heaven, some to Purgatory, and some to Hell), some believe in only 2 (with no Purgatory.) There used to be a fourth place called "Limbo" which was for unbaptized babies. Officially, it's been called off, but there may be some people who still believe in it.

I'm thinking that this is the prequel "Enterprise", which outlasted the original "Star Trek" series' 3 seasons. There were different ships called "Enterprise", including a real space shuttle named after the Star Trek ship, and so on.

It was. The poster's entire "raison d'etre" was to start from the position that vpw was always correct and was God Almighty's Chosen Mouthpiece. From there, it followed that anything Bible-related vpw did was done with the approval of God Almighty, and usually by His direct instruction. So, that meant God Almighty endorsed the most ridiculous BS. When the BS piled up, things changed to vpw still being the Chosen Mouthpiece, but occasionally making errors, and the occasional errors were gigantic because he was such a titan of a person while he walked the earth that both his good deeds and his evil deeds topped the scales. I SWEAR I'm not exaggerating. If anything, I'm understating it.

The Kramdens and Nortons lived at that address, with the Nortons living directly upstairs, and shouted at in front of the fire escape. Ralph's idea of a night out kept invoking going to the Hong Kong Gardens. (I don't remember ever seeing a scene there.) Norton could tell the time by the smell of the Chinese food. Once, he stopped a train conductor. Instead of asking him to consult his pocket watch for the time, he asked if there were any Chinese restaurants in the area. :) I was surprised that Spanish has both the concept of the honeymoon (which translates word-for-word as "luna de miel" , moon of honey) but also has a word for honeymooners (something like "mieleneros".) The show was short-lived because it was 39 episodes long. It's been in syndication for over 50 years, which is a long time for a show. Ed Norton once described his job (he works in the sewer) as an "engineer of subterranean sanitation." Pet names got slightly confused. Ralph told Norton he'd call Alice what he called her when courting- "little buttercup." "No, wait, she used to call ME "Buttercup", I used to call her 'Bunny.' What's so funny, Norton?" "Back then, you were a little cup of butter, but now you're a whole tub of lard!!!!" Another episode, Ralph made a recording for Alice to apologize to her. He began with "Hello, Bunny? This is old Buttercup...." and continued from there, starting with how they used to call each other that. The year the hurricanes all got named after the show, TRIXIE (Ed's wife) got left out when they got to the letter "T". I thought they should make an obvious exception. Interestingly, Ralph and Ed's bowling team was "the Hurricanes." It came up when Ralph's team jacket was in the wash just before a game. "HOW WILL PEOPLE KNOW I'M A HURRICANE?" "Just open your mouth!" Ok, George.

YES! Ralph kept shaking his fist and threatening to send her to The Moon. Eventually, the shorthand became "Bang! Zoom!" with a mimed punch and mimed escape velocity. Once, Saturday Night Live's news segment talked about some woman astronaut in the news. They said she was joining the ranks of Sally Ride, and Alice Kramden, who was sent to The Moon by her husband in 1954 (or some similar year.)

In the original Friday the 13th, Jason Voorhees was believed dead, and had a movie body count of ZERO. He was NOT the movie's killer. Come on, watch the opening scene of "Scream" again, or something! Joe Bob Briggs pointed this out, also, during "Movies For Guys Who Like Movies" one October.

The address of the main characters- and the setting for many scenes- was 328 Chauncey Street, in Brooklyn. The main restaurant mentioned was "the Hong Kong Gardens." One character didn't seem to wear a watch, but could tell the time by smelling out his window. They had a Chinese take-out place downstairs, and-they cooked by a strict schedule. So, based on the dish he could smell, and whether he was at his own window or his downstairs neighbor, he could tell what time it was, unless someone ordered a family special, which threw him off completely. Although none of the characters were astronauts, and despite all of the scenes taking place on Earth, there were frequent mentions of one of the 4 main characters possibly being sent to the Moon or going there- some of them outright, some of them rephrased but obvious in context. BTW, not really a clue per se, but I was surprised that the title of this series actually can translate properly into Spanish without losing meaning or connotation. Depending on how you define the concept, this was either a short-lived show, or a very long-lived show. Some time before this show, 2 of the main characters had used "pet names" for each other- "Buttercup" and "Bunny." Another of the principal cast was an "engineer of subterranean sanitation." This show is so famous that the people who come up with the official names for hurricanes and tropical storms set aside one year to name them after characters in this show. They alternated between male and female names. Unfortunately for one of the principal characters, her name was skipped for that reason, and "Tommy" was the name they used- after the little neighbor who left his realistic-looking water pistol behind, resulting in a plot point in one episode.

Mark S: I am writing a new article on the subject of ends times through Jesus Christ. Some of this article deals with the very symbolic book of Revelation. Here is some of the content. Is this interesting to you? Regarding the unjust also being reconciled and at peace with God through Jesus Christ. The writer of the book of Revelation, named John got a vision of a “new heaven and a new earth” as stated in Revelation 21:1. This was very favorably seen. Since the writer was likely an Israelite named John, he saw this as the New Jerusalem, which to the Israelites was a very favorable place since for a number of years it was the political and religious capital city of their nation. John also got visions of twelve gates around Jerusalem as stated in Revelation 21:12-13. He also saw foundations of the twelve gates made of precious earthly stones or minerals. From verse 13 to 24 he had symbolic visions which looked very good. These were gates, which people outside the gates could enter into. Otherwise they would have been seen as brick walls around Jerusalem to keep everyone not inside the gates permanently out of the new visional and symbolic Jerusalem. This shows good on the inside of the gates and not good on the outside of the gates. Revelation 21:25-27 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. NIV The question is what is the “Lamb’s book of life” and who is part of this? The Lamb’s book of life represents Jesus Christ and those who follow him. Only good or pure will enter into this. Next we have verses which show the free will of humanity. The choice being given to humanity of doing good or not doing good. In a favorable way, I see this as the followers of Jesus Christ being fully persuaded in heart to follow Jesus Christ. This is through the gift of Holy Spirit and the new spiritual body patterned after the Lord’s resurrected body that his followers will receive when he returns from heaven. Or as 1 Corinthians 15: 49 says, “so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven”, who is Jesus Christ. For an explanation of this see 1 Corinthians chapter 15. Revelation 22:10-11 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. KJV Next we have more symbolic language of those who wash their robes. This shows that those who change from bad to good through Jesus Christ will be able to go through the gates into the city. However, outside of what he thought as the New Jerusalem John still saw those who were bad with him comparing them to dogs. Dogs are seen favorably today, but during the first century before dogs were trained to be good, dogs were symbolically seen as bad. However, just like dogs have been trained today to be good in nations like the United States. In the future under Jesus Christ more and more of humanity will be retrained to be good and followers of Christ. Revelation 22:14-15 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. KJV The final outcome was not seen by John the writer of the book of Revelation. What John saw was the free will ability to do good or not to do good.