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Something I missed before, but caught my eye now...... twi is still teaching to "hate gay people"? Is it really true that nobody knows that rosalie rivenbark- expresident and current power-behind-the-throne- that same rosalie fox rivenbark is gay? This was an open secret in certain circles once upon a time. Has that become a complete secret now?

Sorry. It made sense in my head at that hour. What I want is the name of the OLDER movie, the movie that may have inspired elements in the newer movies. A movie in the past decade featured a character named "Percival Graves." (I just found this out.) I immediately wondered if it was a reference to an earlier, completely-unrelated movie, which ALSO had a "Percival Graves" in it. In both movies, Percival Graves was a government functionary, and should not be trusted. In the earlier movie, that's made plainly obvious from his early appearances, as he goes on to be the villain of the piece- as much as there is one. He got busted for violations of "the Treason Act of 1702" for " interfering in the proper succession of a monarch." This movie also included the (made-up) African nation of Zambezi. (That's a river, but not a country any more than there is a country called "Nile" or "Amazon".) That seems to have inspired some more recent television show to use the same name for an African nation. Anyway, the original movie had Percival Graves and the nation of Zambezi. It also included what was possibly the most tragic photo-shoot in film history (at least, as far as scripted tragedies- no actors were harmed in the filming, but their characters were in trouble.) So, what movie was this?

Ok, next movie. A movie in the past decade featured a character named "Percival Graves." (I just found this out.) I immediately wondered if it was a reference to an earlier, completely-unrelated movie, which ALSO had a "Percival Graves" in it. In both movies, Percival Graves was a government functionary, and should not be trusted. In the earlier movie, that's made plainly obvious from his early appearances, as he goes on to be the villain of the piece- as much as there is one. He got busted for violations of "the Treason Act of 1702" for " interfering in the proper succession of a monarch." This movie also included the (made-up) African nation of Zambezi. (That's a river, but not a country any more than there is a country called "Nile" or "Amazon".) That seems to have inspired some more recent television show to use the same name for an African nation. Anyway, the original movie had Percival Graves and the nation of Zambezi. It also included what was possibly the most tragic photo-shoot in film history (at least, as far as scripted tragedies- no actors were harmed in the filming, but their characters were in trouble.) So, what movie was this?

I don't know "the Greatest Showman" by its English title. In fact, I barely know of it. (Mrs Wolf saw it, I think.) I keep thinking that Hugh Jackman was an odd choice for a musical, but it seemed to work for "LES MISERABLES." (aka "the wretched of the earth.")

I suspect so. With him in mind from the 5th movie listed, I THINK the war movie was the one he was in. I have a vague recollection of a trailer of him in a war movie, storming off to confront someone in a combat zone and start a fistfight. Is "Light of Day" the movie with Joan Jett opposite MJF? If so, it was an interesting casting choice because they were both the same height.

IIRC, he spent a few MINUTES out of 7 sessions of the CFS class that might be considered to cover adultery or fornication. There was I Corinthians 7:1 and 2, and I think that's about all he covered on the subject. He said the literal on "touch" in 7:1 meant "to help himself", so a man wasn't supposed to "help himself" to a woman. He also mentioned "flee fornication." ( I Corinthians 6:18a) , but he didn't get into it. He talked about someone drawing a picture of Tick (the dog), with a flea on his head, with the caption "flea fornication." He didn't actually teach we were supposed to FLEE fornication, but he had time to describe the drawing in detail. For a class that was 7 sessions long, the number of verses covered was scant, and the actual hand-out of verses was 2 pages long. I've heard there was some teacher's guide with more verses, but I've never seen one. All the students got was 2 pages- one on the virtuous woman and a chapter in Proverbs, and the other on vpw claiming that the "original sin" was an act of, ahem, "self-love" (or "self-abuse" if that's how you think of it.) The classes that everyone was expected to take were the BAIT, so they never outright stated his most perverse stuff- he saved that for private meetings on-campus to the Corps, to the staff, and so on. Taped sermons touched on them sometimes, but generally not to any great degree.

"Show me that smile again......" I keep forgetting DiCaprio was in the cast.

*grins at Raf once more*

I intend to see the next 2 parts (aka the concluding parts) sometime in the next few days, before Monday morning at the very latest. I'll let you know as soon as we watch them.

*thinks* So, is this "Avengers Infinity War"????

I'm SURE I've heard some or all of these. That last quote doesn't sound like Captain America. The one on height could be a Robert Downey Jr reference, but I doubt it is one. The wealth and privilege DOES sound like Tony Stark as well, especially as depicted by RD Jr.

Hello. The short of it is that they way didn't "go" bad because vpw set it up "bad" behind the curtain, and just hid it from his audience. From the beginning, vpw knew to tell the public one thing from Scripture, and wait until he was in private to pervert its contents and say the opposite. (Like how God was OK with ORGIES.) lcm was a well-meaning, earnest student in college when he heard of vpw, which led eventually to lcm's life being destroyed. vpw KNEW he was conning us, so he knew who to tell WHAT. lcm thought vpw was really hearing from God, so he was sincere- which is why he got caught. vpw was the one who taught lcm that he was supposed to cheat on his wife- that he had to "loosen up" on the subject of marital fidelity, and that lust was a "need" and that, when he traveled, he needed to find women to "meet his needs" locally, and so on. lcm was carefully groomed to seek out sex outside his marriage, just as vpw carefully identified more vulnerable women and groomed them to be ok with extramarital sex. Nobody put a physical gun to lcm's heads or their heads, but there was YEARS of manipulation by vpw to set it all up. vpw started because HE was fine with cheating on his wife, so he set things up to make it easier to cheat on his wife. He taught lcm to imitate him, so he also taught him to cheat on his wife. So, yes, lcm was an a-hole, but he didn't start out that way. He was also one of vpw's victims, which is why he victimized others. So, yes, lcm and the women were adults, but it wasn't QUITE as simple as a firm "no" to a blunt request or offer of sexual relations. vpw set up locations, and doctrines, to make it all easy- places to contrive comfort and privacy, doctrines to make it OK with God and to put himself above questioning. etc. I'm sure a few women wanted the attention of the star- vpw WANTED more of those women in twi- but the majority were COERCED into things, some of them by being drugged unconscious. If all of this helped you see that it was possible to cheat on a marriage, and for you to decide NEVER to do it, then good for you, that's a good conclusion to draw, and to be commended, IMHO. Please save a little compassion for the women who just wanted a class on the Bible and ended up told that they needed to please God by just going along with this leader and letting him do sexual things to her.

I'm sure there were better ways to spend your time, so I don't disagree. I hope you consider that lives aren't always efficient, and that NOBODY has a life with NO regrets. If you'd lived that way, you'd have been a different person, and perhaps part of what makes you who you are (in a good way) might be missing if you'd lived differently. That doesn't change the reality, but hopefully you'll conclude it was not ALL a waste of time. Me, I've found I learned a lot about compassion after getting hurt and needing compassion. I didn't like learning it that way, but.....

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Since the title was not a name, I'm not going with "Sabrina." Another rom-com with Ford? Um, was this "Working Girl", with Melanie Griffith in the title role?

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It's entirely possible that he said everything in an SNT that covered one of the pfal subjects, and I'd never have heard it. So, looking for an audiotape that includes it may work.

It IS ROWAN ATKINSON. The chanting at the beginning of each Mr Bean episode is that- a Latin chant that translates to "behold the man who is a bean." "Ecce homo qui est faba." I just found that out the other day, myself. The 2 roles that give it away to Americans are Johnny English (the last name I added) and Mister Bean. He was also in a number of movies in smaller roles- Dexter Heyman was in "Hot Shots Part Deux". Emile Mondavarious, IIRC, was in a Scooby Doo movie, he was the voice of the Lion King's Zasu, and so on. In the UK, he's well-known for playing every generation of "Blackadder" in the show of the same name. He also played the serious title role of Jules Maigret in the series "Maigret." (Mrs Wolf said he did very well in that role, which was surprising if you only know him from comedies.) (You won't know him by name from "Love Actually" as the sales clerk, or a wedding officiant in "Four Weddings and a Funeral", in all likelihood.) Every Christmas and every New Year, I try to watch Mr Bean's scenes of him in Christmas and New Year's, respectively.

IIRC, the Orange Book doesn't have it in print because it wasn't IN the taped PFAL class. I hadn't heard it- which suggests it wasn't in the live class, since I made a fair attempt to memorize it by sitting through it. I read that he HAD said it because I bought TW:LiL and put it on my shelf without reading it. When I read someone criticized him for saying it was the first time I recalled having heard that (after sitting thru pfal a few times.) I was skeptical he HAD said it as such. In pfal, I recall him saying -he'd dedicated his life to God's Word, and saying that -the holy spirit field was what God called him to and that, to me, didn't suggest he was saying he'd heard any audible voice from God Almighty. Lots of us at the local levels sat through pfal, never suspecting he'd claimed he'd heard audibly from God Almighty, and, frankly, the suggestion he'd said it made me uncomfortable as soon as I'd read it. It would have significantly undermined pfal for me if I'd heard it there- so I suspect I didn't simply overlook it several times. A smart con man doesn't put the hook in an obvious place. pfal was the bait, and later came the ridiculous claims. lcm's class failed partly because he mixed his bait- the class- WITH his ridiculous claims. New people saw right away lcm was a nutcase, which killed retention of new people. With everyone expected to take pfal and have the Orange Book, it's not smart con-artistry to put his outrageous claims in either. So, they had Bullinger's work, Stiles' work, and Leonard's work, plus vpw's bad jokes and rambling stories (the homileticist "putting his own personal stamp" on all the plagiarized material, and probably why he partly convinced himself he actually did something with the material. Saying he'd dedicated his life, if sincere, meant he himself made a decision. Saying God called him to something, if sincere, meant he believed God wanted him to work on something long-term. Neither suggests an audible voice from God Almighty. Looking back after knowing he ALSO claimed that- NOW it looks like that's what he was referring to. If you only go by the class, however, you don't get that claim there. That's all as best as I can recall- and that's usually pretty reliable concerning the class' contents.

Oddly enough, he never played The Doctor. He was inspired by Jack Benny- which is why he changed his first name to "Benny" for show business (his last name WAS "Hill.")

Prince Edmund, Duke of Edinburgh Lord Edmund Blackadder Edmund Blackadder Esq Jules Maigret Nigel Small-Fawcett Enrico Pollini Bernard Fripp Dexter Hayman Reverend Walter Goodfellow Inspector Raymond Fowler John English Robert Box "the Doctor"(Dr Who) Dr. Schooner Ron Anderson Mr. Stringer Father Gerald Zazu Mr. James Emile Mondavarious Rufus Reverend Walter Goodfellow Peter Piper / Spider-Plant Man Archbishop of Canterbury Richard Latham "Ecce homo qui est faba." (Don't google that directly, since it will almost certainly link to the answer. This actor would also like to cite his inspirations- Peter Sellers and Mr Hulot.) Read the list slowly, now. I have one last name to post, but it should be obvious, now.

Jon Pertwee was the 3rd Doctor, and is not the answer. Look, the usual list of Drs is: William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy, Paul Mc Gann, Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant, Matt Smith, Peter Capaldi, Jodie Whitaker. Scratch all those names off your list. There were other people who played that character, either as an unnumbered Doctor, audio role, SPOOF, or otherwise.

BTW, some discussion of "Personal Prophecy" turned up here....

For those who never looked for the threads on Momentus and Personal Prophecy here (there's a search function, after all), I'm posting 2 links as a public service. The forum "Spirit and Truth Fellowship International" has both threads I'm linking to... "CES and Momentous" and "Step Right Up, get your own personal prophecy." Both have links to at least 1 other discussion at the GSC on their subjects. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/13316-ces-and-momentous/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/12632-step-right-up-get-your-own-personal-prophecy/ BTW, the "Momentus" thread was here: https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/4424-momentus/

for those wondering, here's another link for another thread that discussed personal prophecy, titled Personal Prophecy in the Way and Christian Educational Services. (CES later became STFI, for those who lost track.) https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/6207-personal-prophecy-in-the-way-and-christian-educational-services-ces/