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Third Base! (Either you got it from that, or I can't help you any further. ;) )

"Who's on First?" Doctor Who didn't play baseball, but there was at least one moment on a spoof where Tom Baker stepped onto first base and shouted at the camera, "Do you get it?"

What? I don't know!!!!!

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Mike B, [You probably know that this messageboard (the GSC) exists "to tell the other side of the story." There's differences of opinions, and that's refreshing after the mental confines of parroting whatever twi insisted was the party line. So, there's Christians here (like me), and non-Christians, both of many varieties. I'm sure opinions about me from off this site sound like they're talking about 2 different people or more, depending on what the speakers care about. I'm "yes" on the Bible, but "no" on anything twi that doesn't connect to it, and I care about the truth, not making anyone happy. (That's enough to make friends and enemies for exactly the same reasons.) So, please keep in mind that I've done my best to try to learn what was true in twi, what was rumor, and so on, regardless of whether I WANTED to believe it or not. It's with that in mind that I reply to you, agreeing on some points and disagreeing on others. ] [b[I agree with this:]]/b] "Until the Way leadership repents and apologizes for it's sins, sins either by commission or omission, then I will have nothing more to do with them. " [I'll go further and say we're separated for life because they will never change twi enough to make it something I'd seriously consider rejoining.] "I believe Dr. Weirwille did teach the Truth to the best of his ability and certainly challenged each of us to prove the scriptures for ourselves." [I think we were told to prove the Scriptures for ourselves, and that is correct and important. Unfortunately, I'm convinced- beyond any reasonable doubt- that wierwille ripped off the teaching styles and materials of others, and simply re-presented THEIR work, claiming it was his own. It doesn't appear that wierwille ever actually BELIEVED the Bible. In fact, he admitted that he'd completed his entire education for ministry, and had already begun his first year as a minister, before he'd ever believed the Bible was the Word of God. Removing that as a motive, it seems that he began as a minister because he could make a good presentation and make a comfortable living and get respect for doing it. All "his" best work can be traced directly to specific authors and teachers. vpw did that and did his best to make us think that it was all the results of HIS study and communication with God Almighty and nothing else. (He said he used the Bible as his textbook and workbook, period.) He made many claims, all designed to make it look like he had a special connection with God Almighty while hiding his sources of information. PRIVATELY, he said he'd heard from God, and claimed God gave him instructions all the time. All of that having been said, I think we were actually taught a lot of truth DESPITE THAT. It was meant to ensnare us- and sometimes it did- but it was nevertheless TAUGHT.] " He said the Way never makes anybody leave, just anybody." [He also said, of "the Zero Corps" that he "gave them the privilege of leaving." vpw was not above kicking people out PRIVATELY while claiming he NEVER did it. Yes, he was a hypocrite- moreso than most people, and unapologetic about it.] "Well, the homophobic, self righteous bastard that followed him certainly dispelled that myth." [The thing is, wierwille KNEW he was conning us, so he knew where to draw the line and when to silence the microphone. He trained lcm, making him two-fold the child of hell that he himself was. lcm was convinced vpw was serving God- so he didn't know it was all a con and that there was a time to shut up. Periodically, with the corps- and thus in private- vpw kicked out all of a corps class, then turn around and offer to let them return if they rededicated themselves to twi. This almost always worked, and vpw knew he could count on those drones that stayed. Later, lcm tried the same thing with people who were NOT the corps- and this resulted in people walking away and not looking back. Yes, lcm was homophobic and self-righteous.... He was partly homophobic because he was a jock in college, and went straight from there into twi leadership full-time. He learned NOTHING in twi to dispel his attitudes, so they remained at a jock level. vpw's training of him never addressed that. It DID address self-righteousness. If anything, vpw MADE lcm self-righteous. vpw modeled the opposite of humility, and taught lcm accordingly. lcm was as much a victim of vpw as anyone else- which is why he made victims of others. Ever heard how abuse survivors often abuse others later in life? This worked the same way. vpw personally picked lcm. He did not choose him for any competency. He chose lcm because lcm never questioned vpw, but instead would have driven off a cliff at vpw's instruction. It's an awful reason to pick the leader of a Christian organization, but vpw gave that as his reason when asked once. Yes, lcm ruined many lives and has a LOT to answer for, and never went to prison despite committing crimes. However, that's NOT the whole story, so I feel a little bad for him among all this. Please consider that.] "I had a very long talk with Wanda Weirwille right after everything came out about the sex scenes. She openly admitted it was happening, unlike any of those in leadership positions. I told her I care about TWI but I can't stand in support of what leadership was doing behind closed doors. Teaching one thing and doing another is NOT okay, it's hypocritical at best and insidious. Letting the Devil in even a little bit means you've lost any legitimacy you might have ever had. " [I agree fully. vpw did it first, and taught lcm to do it. This does NOT EXCUSE lcm for doing it, he had free will and chose to do what he did. twi's "lockbox" doctrine- THEIR name, not mine- said to keep this sort of thing hush-hush, so vpw's victims were often silenced early on without further coercion. lcm participated fully in this, and bears responsibility for his own actions regardless of who taught him.] "I'm sorry but I don't see anywhere in the Word that it's ok to lead a double life, nor is it ok to yell at and berate people. Being especially good to those of the household of faith means you have to actually BE that! What Martindale did and the rest of them, and yes, even VPW is not something that is tolerable in least sense. Excusing it is even worse." [There's some who claim it's evil for us to expose what vpw and lcm did- but those same people are not outraged that they did it. To them, it's worse to expose vpw as a plagiarizing rapist who drugged women than for him to have drugged and raped the women. I'm NOT exaggerating.] "I entered the Way when I was completely lost. I was healed by the Word. I thought we were surrounded by good men and women. I never put my faith in man, my faith is and always remained having my faith in God. " [I'm with you there, but some people are not, and that's ok. They're free to disagree, and we ALL have a "right to be wrong". We all bear responsibility for our decisions, and, frankly, I prefer it that way.] " I believe we were taught more Truth than any other organization on the planet, and I still believe that to be true. " [Due to vpw plagiarizing some quality Christians, I believe we were taught some Truth while in twi, but not everything we were taught there was Truth or truth. Furthermore, there's plenty of quality Christians who've never heard of twi, vpw, or anyone connected with twi. vpw did his best to put forth that himself was some great one, that ALL the quality teachings he had were from him, and that all Christians everywhere else were flawed and INFERIOR to twi Christians. I believe all of that was error- to say the least. The idea that God wasn't relying solely on a plagiarizing rapist to get things done is rather comforting- and rather sensible, IMHO.] "There were faults that crept in, having superiority complexes for a start, perpetuated over and over again, especially by Craig Martindale. Of course VPW did that as well, anyone born again is of the household of faith, not those just in the Way." [For twi, that's awfully subversive. ;) Christians being equal is repugnant in twi and to twi. Yes, arrogance and superiority was taught in twi as a matter of course, and the top cadre- with vpw and lcm leading- were generally the worst at it.] I'll reply to the rest later, but that's plenty for now. I hope you're well and are in touch with some Christians who won't do to you what twi did to us.

Ok, this show had quite a supporting cast over the years. Characters included: Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, Ian Chesterton, Barbara Wright and Dodo Chaplet, Amy Pond, Rory Williams, Clara Oswald, Rose Tyler, Dorothy Gale 'Ace'McShane, and Micky Smith, plus one dog, sort-of. In the "clever gadgets" category, this show also had a gadget ring that was replaced and generally forgotten, and some sort of magic paper that's often forgotten. Its wardrobe changes are probably as well known as anything else, to the more casual viewer. (The main character changed entire wardrobes multiple times, for good reason.) BTW, Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart was also known simply as "the Brig." Most of the actors of this show are known PRIMARILY because of this show, with a few exceptions. One also played Hamlet. Guests include John Cleese, Meredith Viera, and Diana Rigg. Billie Piper also is best-known for this show, but not exclusively for it. -There was some discussion about the possibility of crossing this show over with "Star Trek." I have no idea why they thought ST would go along with it. Quotes ABOUT the show, not quotes FROM the show.... "It's all about the triumph of intellect and romance over brute force and cynicism! Intellect and romance over brute force and cynicism! And if there is any hope for any of us in this giant explosion in which we inhabit then surely that’s it: Intellect and romance triumph over brute force and cynicism!" "He's just really unlikely as a hero — which makes him so brilliant, I think, because he's like this mad professor."

"Who's putting coffee grounds in the disposal? Am I running a bed-and-breakfast for a biker gang? Oh, that's Charles Spencer by the way. He's a great kid. Computer engineering degree. 3.6 GPA. Had a floor-level gig at Intel planned for the fall. But first, he wanted to put a few miles on his soul, before he parked it behind a desk. See the world, maybe be of service. Charlie didn't want to go to Vegas or Fort Lauderdale, which is what I would do. He didn't go to Paris or Amsterdam. Sounds fun. He decided to spend his summer, building sustainable housing for the poor." Stark, at the Avengers Compound, talking about a kid who was in Sokovia and died during the Ultron attack. "An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead. Forever." Baron Zemo. "Oh, you're going to have to take this to the shop." "Who's speaking?" "It's your conscience. We don't talk a lot these days." Ant-Man, inside the Iron Man armor, doing damage, and chatting with Stark via radio. Stark & Friday flushed him out with fire-retardant foam. Gave me flashbacks to the Iron Man issue where Ant-Man entered the armor to save Iron Man. (IM had knocked out the Hulk by overloading the armor, and fused the mobility network. Ant-Man entered the armor to trigger the release so IM could breathe regular air again and get out of the armor. Ant-Man ran afoul of the flame-retardant foam in one place, and needed to access it in another to cool down an overload. I'm tempted to take it out and read it again, except I have it 1/2 memorized. "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't. and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." Spider-Man. "Clearly retirement doesn't suit you. Get tired of playing golf?" "Well, I played 18, I shot 18. Just can't seem to miss." Tony and Hawkeye. "Hey, man!" " What's up, Tic-Tac?" "Uh, good to see you. Look, what happened last time was... " "It was a great audition, but it'll... It'll never happen again." Ant-Man and Falcon, about what happened last time they crossed paths- in the Ant-Man movie. "Vengeance has consumed you. It's consuming them. I am done letting it consume me. Justice will come soon enough." "Tell that to the dead. " "The living are not done with you yet." T'challa (the Black Panther.) "Anybody got any orange slices?" Ant-Man, right after the Giant-Man stunt. "She said, "Compromise where you can. Where you can't, don't. Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye, and say, 'No, you move'."" Sharon quoting Peggy Carter. The speech is actually something Cap said in a comic. Meanwhile, back to Raf's turn. He posted something.

Yet "I CAN'T SEEM TO MISS" didn't make you think of Hawkeye?

To make it official, CORRECT.

At least 3 trying to pretend we didn't hear that, at any rate. In other news, still a FREE POST. (So, anyone who wants to can post the next one.)

The ensemble included German Jews who fled Germany, and got emotional during some German scenes. I'm immensely thankful Madonna's attempt to remake this movie fizzled. The one new set was "Rick's Cafe Americain." Can you imagine the "play it again, Sam" scene with "Sam" singing while playing drums instead of the piano?

The film IS "CASABLANCA." The Marx Brothers' movie "A Night in Casablanca" was a comedy about the city- but an early draft of the script showed a direct spoof of "Casablanca" the movie. In fact, Warner Brothers sent a letter to the Marx Brothers asking about it. Groucho replied, and the result was funny and, at the time, went viral. Groucho was thrilled they gave him the opening to make headlines about their film so easily. (Snopes has a page on the subject.) No, he didn't actually answer them- he was evasive and claimed they were suggesting they had copyright over all films about the city.

BTW, this is NOT a recent movie.

No. Just because a movie has a notable eating establishment in it doesn't mean the title will reference it. BTW, the one in this movie is not any form of diner or coffee shop- it's made for a more upscale clientele.

No, this movie does not have the word "Avengers" in its title, nor the word "Endgame" in its title.

*checks something* Interesting. "Upstairs, Downstairs" was a British TV show that aired decades ago, then had a sequel series much later. This round's answer is NOT "Upstairs, Downstairs." It is, however, both British and well-known to all Brits. In fact, it's been said that it's part of your childhood in Britain to have watched this show while hiding behind the couch at some point.

Hello, Mike Barbour. God bless you. I'm sure a lot of us are interested in what you wrote. Unfortunately, you submitted a "text-block" - a huge block of text that is hard to read comfortably. As a public service, I'm going to repost what you wrote, adding ONLY the spaces, so that we can read what you wrote comfortably. I will NOT change ONE WORD of your text-block. Ok, here goes. Mike Barbour posted (above) the following....... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Until the Way leadership repents and apologizes for it's sins, sins either by commission or omission, then I will have nothing more to do with them. I believe Dr. Weirwille did teach the Truth to the best of his ability and certainly challenged each of us to prove the scriptures for ourselves. He said the Way never makes anybody leave, just anybody. Well, the homophobic, self righteous bastard that followed him certainly dispelled that myth. I had a very long talk with Wanda Weirwille right after everything came out about the sex scenes. She openly admitted it was happening, unlike any of those in leadership positions. I told her I care about TWI but I can't stand in support of what leadership was doing behind closed doors. Teaching one thing and doing another is NOT okay, it's hypocritical at best and insidious. Letting the Devil in even a little bit means you've lost any legitimacy you might have ever had. I'm sorry but I don't see anywhere in the Word that it's ok to lead a double life, nor is it ok to yell at and berate people. Being especially good to those of the household of faith means you have to actually BE that! What Martindale did and the rest of them, and yes, even VPW is not something that is tolerable in least sense. Excusing it is even worse. I entered the Way when I was completely lost. I was healed by the Word. I thought we were surrounded by good men and women. I never put my faith in man, my faith is and always remained having my faith in God. I believe we were taught more Truth than any other organization on the planet, and I still believe that to be true. There were faults that crept in, having superiority complexes for a start, perpetuated over and over again, especially by Craig Martindale. Of course VPW did that as well, anyone born again is of the household of faith, not those just in the Way. It always bothered me the title bestowed on VPW. The father in the word was damn near blasphemy! God is our Father, not VPW. This among other things let the fox into the henhouse so to speak. The I can sleep with any number of women I want was another one. Even if God hadn't changed, old testament people having multiple wives, that's fine, but they weren't teaching that NOR were they taking in multiple wives. The sex club was out of bounds for anything God ever said was ok. The homophobia and purging after VPW died is also against God's Word. NO one has any scripture saying you kick "sinners" out to the curb. That goes against everything Jesus did and taught his disciples to do and nowhere does God allow that. There is a specific instance where God says to hand someone over to the adversary. But, if that's what they were justifying what did upon they were dead wrong. That scripture deals with disruptive people who are inside causing trouble and being disruptive to the body. That's not why they were throwing people out on their foot. Tbey were throwing anyone out who dared to question them about anything. Or who they believed were somehow a threat, like gay people, who news flash, are usually some of the least troublesome people you'd ever meet. I don't know their heads got so big they thought they were doing God's work. Except as I said, you give the Devil an inch and he will steal, kill and destroy everything of God. You can't serve two masters. You can claim to be serving one, but if you're serving the other then you're not serving one. You can't teach people one thing and do another and call yourself serving God. Mistakes and sins can be forgiven, but purposely lying and covering up a double life doesn't leave time to serve God. Now, if they had come out and said this is what we are doing and here is what God says about and why it's ok, and research had been done proving they are living a life decent and in order according to God's Word, then we would have had a starting point to start figuring out if they were telling us Truth. But, of course they couldn't, so they chose to hide it behind closed doors until men and women decided enough already, and brought their double lives to light. Then, OMG, they had to purge people because God forbid anyone stand up to them with doctrine! Like John Shoengeit (spelling?) did with his research paper during a time the Research Ministry was, gasp, suspended. You can't call yourself one thing and refuse to do it. Martindale decided then we had to get back to basics. Basic what? Idolatry? Polishing the pedestal VPW was placed on? Basic what exactly? Isn't it basic scripture you were using to sleep with multiple women? Oh, NO, of course it wasn't. So how dare someone research to see if it's ok to be unfaithful to your wife/husband?! Then get thrown on his foot when his paper says, shocker, it's not ok. Anyone around during that time either knew it was happening or were part of it. So, anyone that remained after it was exposed was either supporting it directly or indirectly. I went one step further and recalled scripture not to believe anything against an elder except in the case of 2 or 3 witnesses. I got multiple witnesses before I ever saw Wanda Weirwille. So, until leadership apologizes for the wrong they did or supported and takes responsibility for the blatantly false doctrine perpetuated by all the leaders, our only Father being God, anyone born again in the household of faith etc. I just will support doctrinal and practical errors. They truly do owe a huge apology to everyone they hurt or continue to hurt because we all were hungry for the Truth, but the double lives and serving Satan at the head by perpetuating outright lies and not being repentent when confronted with the Truth, well, we are left with the only option left to us, hand them over to the adversary and walk away. Heartbroken and weeping, but necessary because God doesn't allow leaders and elders to live double lives and He is clear on what we are to do. Confront them with the Truth and with witnesses. We did, and they marked us and threw us out. Newsflash for them, they are the ones who were marked and thrown out, not us. It is more difficult to serve God now but God never said I'll make it simple and keep a ministry walking on my Word for you to have and support you. So, we do what we can and believe God regardless. But, new presidents with old ways are still unacceptable and if they stood on the Word, they can not stand with ministry committing blashphemy, or unapologetic for trying to destroy people's lives who were doing the right thing. I believe God taught Dr. Weirwille and I believe what he taught was mostly right, and taught with his understanding at the time. I don't know that anyone will ever be 100% right because we do not have perfect originals to go by. But, by revelation and a willingness to work the Word God can show us many things. Knowledge puffeth up, and it certainly did in the Way. It seems that leads to corruption as well. I don't know at what point that started, but I do think it was later rather than sooner. All I know is I learned how to work the word for myself and gained a lot of knowledge, some was blatantly wrong but most was as close to the Truth as I think we will ever come. It is a real shame leadership lost any meekness or humility and decided to walk away from God en masse, and remove peoole en masse. With a few changes God would have still blessed it and us as a group, but Satan got his grubby little hands involved and ruined it for everyone. I'm not sure they will ever come back from that, because they are choosing arrogance over humility.

Ok, this show had quite a supporting cast over the years. Characters included: Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, Ian Chesterton, Barbara Wright and Dodo Chaplet, Amy Pond, Rory Williams, Clara Oswald, Rose Tyler, Dorothy Gale 'Ace'McShane, and Micky Smith, plus one dog, sort-of. In the "clever gadgets" category, this show also had a gadget ring that was replaced and generally forgotten, and some sort of magic paper that's often forgotten. Its wardrobe changes are probably as well known as anything else, to the more casual viewer. (The main character changed entire wardrobes multiple times, for good reason.) BTW, Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart was also known simply as "the Brig." Most of the actors of this show are known PRIMARILY because of this show, with a few exceptions. One also played Hamlet. Guests include John Cleese, Meredith Viera, and Diana Rigg. Billie Piper also is best-known for this show, but not exclusively for it.

Next movie. There once was a plan to spoof this movie, but that plan fell through, and the later movie didn't spoof it at all- just its location. This movie included an ensemble that got rather emotional filming some scenes since they cut a bit close to their own personal experiences- and memories. Some time after this movie was released, someone sent a spec-script around with the original movie's plot, and its name from when they were writing it pre-release. A number of people recognized the movie, and others claimed it was "not good enough" to be a successful movie. A few added there was too much dialogue and not enough sex. One actress intended to remake this movie. All the major studios refused to consider it. "That film is deemed untouchable." So, those plans were scrapped (for which I am grateful.) The set for the eating establishment was made for this movie, but just about everything else were pre-made sets already built by the studio. The musician in the movie was actually a drummer, despite what he pretended to play for the movie. (ACTING!)

"Who's putting coffee grounds in the disposal? Am I running a bed-and-breakfast for a biker gang? Oh, that's Charles Spencer by the way. He's a great kid. Computer engineering degree. 3.6 GPA. Had a floor-level gig at Intel planned for the fall. But first, he wanted to put a few miles on his soul, before he parked it behind a desk. See the world, maybe be of service. Charlie didn't want to go to Vegas or Fort Lauderdale, which is what I would do. He didn't go to Paris or Amsterdam. Sounds fun. He decided to spend his summer, building sustainable housing for the poor." "An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead. Forever." "Oh, you're going to have to take this to the shop." "Who's speaking?" "It's your conscience. We don't talk a lot these days." "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't. and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." "Clearly retirement doesn't suit you. Get tired of playing golf?" "Well, I played 18, I shot 18. Just can't seem to miss." "Hey, man!" " What's up, Tic-Tac?" "Uh, good to see you. Look, what happened last time was... " "It was a great audition, but it'll... It'll never happen again." "Vengeance has consumed you. It's consuming them. I am done letting it consume me. Justice will come soon enough." "Tell that to the dead. " "The living are not done with you yet." "Anybody got any orange slices?" "She said, "Compromise where you can. Where you can't, don't. Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye, and say, 'No, you move'.""

Are we talking a trifecta of Woody and Mia? (Woody Allen, Mia Farrow)

John Lithgow Twilight Zone- The Movie Scatman Crothers

"Dorothy Gale" is also the name of the main character of "the Wizard of Oz." You read correctly- that IS a single character with the nickname "Ace" and a last name of "McShane."

"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't. and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." "An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead. Forever." "Who's putting coffee grounds in the disposal? Am I running a bed-and-breakfast for a biker gang? Oh, that's Charles Spencer by the way. He's a great kid. Computer engineering degree. 3.6 GPA. Had a floor-level gig at Intel planned for the fall. But first, he wanted to put a few miles on his soul, before he parked it behind a desk. See the world, maybe be of service. Charlie didn't want to go to Vegas or Fort Lauderdale, which is what I would do. He didn't go to Paris or Amsterdam. Sounds fun. He decided to spend his summer, building sustainable housing for the poor." "Oh, you're going to have to take this to the shop." "Who's speaking?" "It's your conscience. We don't talk a lot these days." "Clearly retirement doesn't suit you. Get tired of playing golf?" "Well, I played 18, I shot 18. Just can't seem to miss." "Hey, man!" " What's up, Tic-Tac?" "Uh, good to see you. Look, what happened last time was... " "It was a great audition, but it'll... It'll never happen again."

Ok, this show had quite a supporting cast over the years. Characters included: Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, Ian Chesterton, Barbara Wright and Dodo Chaplet, Amy Pond, Rory Williams, Clara Oswald, Rose Tyler, Dorothy Gale 'Ace'McShane, and Micky Smith, plus one dog, sort-of. In the "clever gadgets" category, this show also had a gadget ring that was replaced and generally forgotten, and some sort of magic paper that's often forgotten. Its wardrobe changes are probably as well known as anything else, to the more casual viewer. BTW, Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart was also known simply as "the Brig."