WordWolf

Complete subject change, but I didn't want to start a new thread, since this is a limited topic for discussion. Mrs Wolf and I were watching the first "Addams Family" movie (1991), and we got to discussing the Addamsverse (of the movie.) We both came up with some interesting ideas that fit what we observed. I feel they make those movies more rich and add to their setting. So, here's what we said. I asked about Tully Alport, Gomez' attorney (played by Dan Hedaya.) Gomez is his last paying customer. Mrs W talked about the gathering of the clan to celebrate "Fester"s return. She speculated that the entire family is a sort-of clan, with different families under it. With Gomez (or Fester) in charge, it's the Addams, but it could just as easily be the Amor clan if Flora and/or Fauna was the titular head. We see lots of people, some of whom have the same last name (Lumpy Addams), and some who do not (Flora Amor, Fauna Amor), and most we don't know either way, but they dress in a variety of styles. I speculate that the band was not part of the family, but a band that gets hired BY the family, so is recognized by them as willing to show up and play. (Sort of how gypsies in the US tend to work with specific non-gypsies who will work with them, like Sondra Chely the dressmaker who makes all the big event gypsy dresses in the US, apparently.) Any way, we have a varied family, and people who are willing to work for them, to some degree. (I assume Cousin It's car is a custom job....) As for the rest, there's family closer to the Addams we know, and family further away. They're all part of the family. Ok, now to her point. She thinks that BOTH Tully and his wife are part of the family. They're distant relatives who can TRY to blend into society and ignore the clan, but they don't for their own reasons. Tully and Margaret ended up together, and MAY have ended up together because they each found someone who was also part of the clan, but could pass for regular and didn't want to just be an Addams. So, they tried to just be normal, perhaps. The thing is, Tully, for reasons of his own, doesn't mesh well with the general population. He's dishonest and has driven off his other customers. We don't think Gomez hired him simply out of stupidity. Tully was hired because he's family and he was available. He understands both regular society- and the law and investments- and can fit into the clan. Tully and Margaret don't act like the normal public when confronted with clan behavior. Tully is fine with Gomez allegedly trying to spear him with a rapier, then dueling as soon as he walks into Gomez' study. He argues with "Gate" bur doesn't tell the Addams' to make it settle down. Margaret, upon meeting with the whole clan, does NOT run off screaming or anything- and there were plenty of reasons for her to do that like in the old show when neighbors visited. She reacted to supposedly tearing off Grandma's hand, and I forget if she tried to break into the vault and the plants got her, or if that was "Dr Binderschloss." However, upon meeting Cousin It, she didn't freak out, and she ended up chatting with him. Most shockingly, she has NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER UNDERSTANDING HIM. THAT is highly unusual. She was willing to date Cousin It. And marry, and have a kid. The most reasonable explanation was that she WAS part of the family. She thought Tully was the only male there she could accept, which is why SHE asked HIM. ("Why did I marry you?" "Because I said 'yes'.") Ok, I think Tully and Margaret make a LOT more sense that way. As for where the Addams fortune comes from, I think it has to do with who they are. (This was my big idea.) I think the Addams' are related to CHARON, the Boatman of the Underworld, or HADES its ruler, or possibly both. Because treasure comes from underground, Hades is seen as really rich (aka Pluto, who lends his name to words like "plutocracy", government by the rich.) Charon himself collects money from his passengers, and it adds up. Decades ago, I read a book where someone wondered what he did with all his money. Either would explain where the huge treasure vault of treasure came from that Gomez uses. I got to thinking about this when thinking about how he gets to the vault. He goes through a passageway. He takes a slide under his house. It goes a LONG way, and ends up at a river, with a riverboat to pole along. The distance DOWN doesn't make sense. However, if he passed "down" into some sort of netherworld, then all the "down" could be THERE rather than LITERALLY under the house. The end of the chute is at a dock with a heavy, heavy mist, with a boat like Charon's docked there for Gomez. Gomez comments how the air there- out in the open and at the shore- is "like a tomb." So, a connection to Charon or Hades would explain the passage as well as the wealth. It would help explain what makes them a "family" by some standard- as descendants of Charon or Hades. It would help explain some of their abilities. (Even Tully can survive being turned upside down and held up by his neck. Fester once claimed he opened his brother's skull as a kid and took out his brain. The Mamushka and Gomez and Morticia's dance in the 2nd movie showed Fester and Morticia, in particular, displaying rare abilities in the dance.) I think that's the basis for the family. I think they'd consider adding people by marriage or whatever, as long as they truly fit in. In the 2nd movie, Morticia sounded like she was ready to accept Debbie as a family member- except for her fashion sense. When Debbie made Fester cut himself off from the Addams, Morticia spoke to her. "You've ensnared Fester in some sort of sexual spell. I respect that. But Debbie.... PASTELS????" Even at the end, they sounded comfortable with her, all the way to their "Goodbye". We felt a little bad for Debbie that they were so ready to accept her, but she couldn't see past her own plans. They were even comfortable with serial killers in the family- if the tour of the family graveyard was any indication. Ok, fine. We took this a LOT more seriously than we're supposed to. I think it added a great deal to our enjoyment of both movies. And for the record, I think Mrs Wolf and I would get along with both that movie version and the version from the classic TV show- but like the movie ones better.

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If you're interested, they've been discussed in several threads. "Splintering and Subjugating as night follows day." Splinter Cults are WORSE not better." "Revival and Restoration." "R&R Group- too late, sycophants already taken." Might this be why the moneyhands were M&A?" There may have been others. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24900-splintering-and-subjugatingas-night-follows-day/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24827-splinter-cults-are-worsenot-better/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24457-revival-and-restoration/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24586-rr-group-too-late-cult-sycophants-already-taken/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24458-might-this-be-why-the-moneyhands-were-ma/

When they supposedly tried to confront the twi bod, the claim was to try to change twi. This might be believed, except.... -Someone mentioned plans to start up some other group over a year before the big meeting. -Someone registered the domain name "revival and restoration" several months before the big meeting. They already had plans for a new group before they ever met with the bod. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

He was also in Midnight Madness John Fiedler the Cannonball Run

World of Warcraft. Which I've never played. There was an actual event. Later, they re-enacted it so they could make a video of it, which is rather famous now. The team was going to go in somewhere dangerous. The team leader began laying out a VERY detailed plan to get something and leave without tripping the alarms/ getting hundreds of monsters to spawn and attack. Everyone listens closely....except for Leeroy Jenkins, who goes AFK to get a bucket of chicken from the fridge. Leeroy returns just as the leader's finished running through the whole plan. Leeroy: "All right, chums, let's do this. LEEROY JENKINS!!!!" *charges* The rest of the party runs in to try to save him, discarding the plan. The entire party gets wiped out in the ensuing fight. Abduhl: "Leeroy, you are just stupid as hell." Spiffy: "Nimrod." [Another Player]: "Oh my God..." Leeroy: "... At least I have chicken." https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Leeroy_Jenkins https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Leeroy_Jenkins_(video)

No. Not a role based on a real person.

A lot of people remember him from "Revenge of the Nerds." This is interesting, since they refused to cast him in it after he pioneered the roles. When he asked, they said they just wanted more regular people DRESSED as nerds. (Actually, they have a point. A lot of nerds/ geeks don't fit the stereotype, present company included.) I remembered him having been in "Hamburger-the Movie", and he wasn't in THAT, either. I DO remember him from at least 1 other movie rather vividly, however, and he definitely was in it. (Besides "Grease", of course.)

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John Travolta Grease Eddie Deezen ("Eugene Felznick", the class nerd with the great pitching arm)

Although this IS a British role, it is NOT Sherlock Holmes nor anything Holmesian nor by Arthur Conan Doyle.

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She played the only "Eunice" I could remember. Ok, let's see, next round, I'll need to think a moment....

Around here, that was going to be guessed pretty quickly.

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So long as he kept it under wraps, he could-and did- use that tactic repeatedly. It's blatantly manipulative, which is classic vpw when the cameras were off. The 'Zero Corps' all walked when he pulled that- so I suspect he fine-tuned his ploy by offering his "second chance" immediately the next day. That's purely speculation, however (I'm speculating he added the second chance the next day and for that reason.)

Got 2 guesses. Guess 1- CAROL BURNETT. Guess 2- Elizabeth Hurley.

Wasn't paying attention the other night. I should have gotten both Gabe Cash and Jack Burton immediately.

You recall correctly. lcm learned from vpw that you could suddenly just demand people's loyalty and kick them out if they didn't play along. vpw KNEW this was all a con, so he waited until he had the corps aside privately, then upped the ante with peer pressure and other pressures when he kicked entire corps classes out- then the next day offered to let them return if they pledged their loyalty (while basically admitting THEY did something WRONG and that's why they were dumped). On the other hand, lcm really thought this was of God, so he was sincere when he tried to do the same thing to the rank-and-file. In fact, he straight out demanded people specify they were to follow him personally and to neither pick geer, nor to say that we're not supposed to choose among men- specifying that he refused to accept "I stand with God" as a valid answer. Any leader who didn't immediately fall in line was kicked out abruptly. The letter that told NY State of the firings-by name- of pretty much all the existing leadership accused all of them of following their bellies and trying to deceive us. It was the same letter sent to other states, with only the names of the fired ones swapped. Yes, virtually all the believers left WITH them. I made sure by going to the following ROA, where I saw things for myself and went to the bookstore one last time. Having had a chance to see both sides, it was clear one was way off and the other did not appear to be- at least to a casual inspection and to all the accusations made about them. BTW, I don't know where you heard "let 'em go free" from. vpw wanted to keep everybody in and tithing and buying everything. We weren't supposed to just "cut bait"- we were supposed to keep retention up, and to get more new people. It's the reason the only "professional" training the corps actually got was the Dale Carnegie course on SALES. The highest priority to vpw to train in his program was to train the attendees to be good at SALES. Of course, he plagiarized the materials and used them illegally without paying the licensing fee. Frankly, I'm shocked he even let people know it was the Dale Carnegie course and didn't claim he learned it directly from God like he usually claimed. I agree we should all learn and should do better.

FOUR sessions on holy spirit (9-12). Everything on the cross was on how everyone else is wrong on minutiae of the crucifixion. As has been said before, if you're more focused on the crosses on the side than the one in the middle, your focus is off. Bullinger's work was used to foster an arrogance that Bullinger himself didn't push.

Actually, we're about 1 week behind on Flash and LoT (2 on LoT, actually), I'm 1 behind on Arrow's series (saw the stealth pilot), and don't really mind much spoilers of Supergirl, Batwoman, or Black Lightning. We saw Flash's "Marathon" and "Meet the Legends" and need to see anything after that.

According to vpw, it wasn't really important to even know the names of "the fathers and mothers of the faith". He mentioned a few, and a lot of them were never even named in passing. We heard more about his brother Reuben than we did about, say, Martin Luther, and we never HEARD of Zwingli. So, vpw thought they didn't count as long as they weren't actually IN twi.

[I'm ready to reply to a little more. Let's see.....] [/b] "It always bothered me the title bestowed on VPW. The father in the word was damn near blasphemy! God is our Father, not VPW." [I never liked that one, and never used that one. vpw himself started that one as well as calling himself "The Teacher." (I didn't use that one, either.) vpw claimed that whoever spoke to you so you got saved was your "father in the word" (supposedly based on I Corinthians 4:15 "15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." After that, somehow, he changed that into HIMSELF, possibly by claiming it wasn't them, but whoever spoke to THEM and so on, with the chain ending with himself. I know there were still people speaking to that effect years after vpw died. If Ephesians 4:6 is correct in us being in unity in one Father, then claiming vpw or someone else is that (besides an obvious male parent) disunites us away from One God.] "This among other things let the fox into the henhouse so to speak. The I can sleep with any number of women I want was another one. Even if God hadn't changed, old testament people having multiple wives, that's fine, but they weren't teaching that NOR were they taking in multiple wives. The sex club was out of bounds for anything God ever said was ok. " ["Technically, all the women in the kingdom belonged to the king." vpw said that in pfal, but there was NO verse quoted for it, since the OT Law said the opposite. Then vpw quietly equated himself with "the king." vpw was trying to get people OK with that for a long time. In the 60s, when he hijacked the hippies, he'd gone to Haight-Ashbury looking for Christian hippies because he thought he'd found Christians who were ok with orgies. He pestered J1m D00p for specifics about what it was like to attend an orgy. (Jim had dropped in on one briefly, years before, and was thankful to be able to avoid them since then.) vpw then went on to tell JIm that orgies were OK with God. He said it was "available", and his spin on I Corinthians 7:1 ("Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.") was that it meant that God permitted a man touching a woman because it said "good" but not "best", so vpw said that meant God was ok with it. Obviously, the rest of the chapter said otherwise, but what's another lie by that point? vpw spent years setting up the framework that allowed him to maximize the chances to molest and/or rape godly women. Yes, others were needed to keep that going, and some also partook of it.] "The homophobia and purging after VPW died is also against God's Word. NO one has any scripture saying you kick "sinners" out to the curb. That goes against everything Jesus did and taught his disciples to do and nowhere does God allow that. There is a specific instance where God says to hand someone over to the adversary. But, if that's what they were justifying what did upon they were dead wrong. That scripture deals with disruptive people who are inside causing trouble and being disruptive to the body. That's not why they were throwing people out on their foot. Tbey were throwing anyone out who dared to question them about anything. " [ All the "reasons" were PRETEXTS. They kicked out anyone who was inconvenient- which is what vpw did first. They followed suit, and kicked out anyone who made waves or looked like they MIGHT make waves. I agree with you both on what they did and why what they did was wrong.]

Wild swing- "24"? Did Jack Bauer curse a lot?

The sort-of dog WAS a robot dog named "K-9". He was even in the Weakest Link charity Doctor Who special. The Doctor's "sonic screwdriver" replaced his sonic ring long ago. The "magic paper" causes people to think they see something on it, depending on what the Doctor needs them to see. "The Brig" was head of UNIT for a number of years, and the character even made an appearance after the actor's death, with his face not shown. Billie Piper played Rose Tyler, and is best known for this show but also did "Diary of a Call-Girl" among other stuff. David Tennant was Doctor Who and also played "Hamlet" alongside Patrick Stewart as Claudius (and "Old Hamlet", Hamlet Sr.)