WordWolf

Now, now..... Let's give Waxit the benefit of the doubt (again.) Waxit may not understand the difference between dumping a link and assigning homework with including your source. A) This is not recommended on the GSC.... "The answer to your questions is on www dot website A dot com, and if you want to understand, you'll read there." That's not recommended because it's not DISCUSSION. It's dumping a link and avoiding discussion. It's assigning homework and pretending you discussed something. B) This is recommended on the GSC... " The answer to your question is explored fully on www dot specific page dot org, and I'll post the important point here right now...." That's supplying your source, which is recommended for a number of reasons, while still having the discussion here in the discussion forum. C) This is not recommended on the GSC... " I have a source for my comments, but I'm going to keep it my little secret." People can't see if you're representing it fairly, they can't check the context, and they can't vet the sources. They know you said it, and you have no proof you didn't originate it. Someone once accidentally gave a bad misquote. vpw never played professional basketball. What he did was INSINUATE (suggest, make leading comments, imply) that he played for the Sheboygan Redskins. His actual words in TW-LiL were that he was "involved with the Sheboygan Redskins." That's incredibly vague. Was he their designated driver? Was he their waterboy? Did he work part-time where they practiced? Did he buy them ice cream when they won games? The idea was that people would THINK he played for them without him actually SAYING he did. It was deceptive and dishonest, but legal (although unethical and immoral.) Someone later said they had documentation he DID play for them. He didn't provide the link, but said to look for a search result for "Sheboygan Redskins in the NBL," When I went there, I found an article that claimed vpw had played for the Sheboygan Redskins. I checked their source. It was the single comment in TW-LiL. So, the proof his comment in TW-LiL meant that he played for the team was true was the comment he made in TW-LiL. That's NOT how documentation works, of course. But without posting the link, the poster ACCIDENTALLY failed to document, and led people to believe vpw didn't deceive people about that (although he actually decieved them.) So, yes, post the link- but only in front of your actual discussion of that point. BTW, just cut-and-paste of what they said without your own words isn't "discussing", either.

There's 2 Norman Bates' I know. Skipping the obvious one, let's go with "VINCE VAUGHN."

Alan Tudyk Shannyn Sossamon Paul Bettany

Stripes John Candy The Blues Brothers

Some people automatically cut all figures in half. 3 feet or more is important because exhalations are a big concern about passing diseases right now. So, 3 feet to avoid someone's exhalations is reasonable. Me, I'm under restrictions when near people or in places of business, but I'm allowed to go maskless at home or in the street if I'm not walking within a meter of anyone. My masks are especially useful in avoiding germs because I spray them with Lysol before I go out, so my risk of exhaling a disease or inhaling one is reduced (it has to pass through cloth that has disinfectant sprayed on it, which improves my odds.)

[Verse 1] Baby, if you've ever wondered Wondered whatever became of me I'm living on the air in Cincinnati, Cincinnati, WKRP [Verse 2] Got kind of tired packing and unpacking Town to town and up and down the dial Maybe you and me were never meant to be But baby think of me once in awhile

All of them definitely refuted the need for Sabbath-keeping. The 7th day Sabbath is entirely voluntary for Christians. Your demand has been met. See how that didn't convince you? You just saying "it's irrelevant" doesn't make it so, and refusing to actually discuss the verses and their chapters certainly weakens your case. We DISCUSS things here. If you want to convince anyone that those verses DON'T refute Sabbath-keeping, you'll need to actually ADDRESS and DISCUSS the verses. Automatic gainsaying of what people say wont do that. Saying "No it isn't!" doesn't convince anyone of anything. Oh, and you definitely care what people think. You're annoyed they haven't fallen in to agree with you just because you declared your position correct by fiat. We may all hold wildly different opinions on a lot of things (as seen in this thread alone), but none of us has gotten on your bandwagon.

Les Nessman had the band-aid. Johnny Caravello was Johnny Midnite, Johnny Fever....when he covered WKRP's overnight, he was "Heavy Early", and when he live-hosted a dance show on TV, he wore a hat, dyed his hair black, and said Fever couldn't make it but he was their host, Rip Tide. Mr Carlson was a WW2 vet. Gordon Sims, Venus Flytrap, once explained to the Army why he deserted. The rights to all the songs made rebroadcasting a tricky thing. "Venus explains the atom" is a clip of Venus doing exactly that to a gang member, explaining it in terms of 3 gangs and their turf. Les won those awards- he was obsessed with making sure the Hog Report always aired, and Ohio's the Buckeye state. When he showed Bailey his "office", he showed off his awards. "A Buckeye Newshawk Award, 4 more Buckeye Newshawk Awards", then, with reverence "The Slver Sow." Jennifer's would-be suitors gave her appliances and furniture and amazing amounts of expensive stuff.

Correct, and correct!

Dwayne Johnson and JACK BLACK?

This TV show seems to have done better in syndication than in its original run. It was popular enough to justify an attempt at a sequel TV show with the cast returning. One character always had a band-aid visible in each episode. One character almost never used his real name- but had lots of alternatives. One character saw combat in World War II- but you'd never imagine it looking at him on the show. One character never used his real name because he deserted the US Army during the Vietnam War- while in the field. Finally, there was a perfectly logical, real-world reason why the show had problems being rebroadcast years later. In what's now a well-remembered scene, Gordon Sims (the Vietnam War deserter) taught someone the basics of the atom in 2-3 minutes. Another character used names other than his own, as well. Among them were Heavy Early and Rip Tide. One had earned both 5 Buckeye Newshawk Awards and The Silver Sow. That character, reading someone else's copy, once claimed he hoped to bear children someday (".....um, in my arms. Men do that, you know!") Another had a fancy apartment full of appliances and other doodads that were apparently all gifts.

Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham?

This was still correct, so it's still George's turn.

For those wondering, yes, vpw called Leonard's class his own, and the first name vpw gave it was "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today". Some time later came more material, and splitting it into 3 classes and calling it Power For Abundant Living, and the books with those names. vpw took Leonard's class once- showing up after it had begun and demanding he be allowed to stay despite Leonard telling him not to show up since they had a class that had already started. vpw retook it a few months later, and brought a few people with him, and vpw was considered a grad. A few months after that was when vpw pulled his teach-Leonard's class- stunt, and those people who had attended Leonard's class were called grads of vpw's supposedly different class.

TheEvan's original post was on "Craig and VP's relationship?" thread. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/4650-craig-and-vps-relationship/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-112790 Over the years, both here & on Waydale, I've seen countless posters come in and call the time of their entry into 'the ministry' as the good old days, the days that really were happenin'. I could argue that socks or me, with our entry in '69 & '70 respectively, came in on the really good old days. So it seemed to me. To me the big change was when Wierwille staged a coup on the Way West&East and coopted those ministries as his own (a familiar pattern if you follow what he did to BG Leonard). So to you, the big change was when Harry died. Yeah, he was different after that, but i didn't see a marked change in Der Veg, just a continued slide in the direction it had charted years earlier. For others, their time of entry was dem golden days. Back to Leonard. Being cataloger of old photos and such, surely you are familiar with the photos of Wierwille's first two "PFAL" classes? Well, most everybody was, as they were published often enough. Did you ever see the rest of them? Like the ones picturing the water baptisms? I did. But i didn't see them in Da Way. I saw them in some old newsletters displayed at BG Leonard's 90th birthday party, which we hosted for him. I was just casually leafing through some old ones and you can imagine the jolt I got when my eyes landed on a familiar picture. It was the old "1st Piffle Class" photo I'd seen so many times. As you know, Wierwille had recently taken Leonard's class. He returned to O-hiya to teach Leonard's class with Leonard's blessing. The accompanying article was about this Rev. Wierwille teaching CTC's Gifts of the Spirit course to members of his congregatin in O-hiya. Hmmm. Turns out wierwille lied to the man, co-oted the man's work as his own. FAMILIAR PATTERN! All of which disqualifies him in any way from having been in public ministry of any kind. Period. However you burnish it and photograph it with a warm hazy glow, the conclusion is clear in the harsh light of day.

It was faster to find it here. Good thing, too. It was TheEvan who had a story to tell. TheEvan posted this once. (1/17/05, 12:04pm) "...surely you are familiar with the photos of Wierwille's first two 'PFAL' classes? Well, most everybody was, as they were published often enough. Did you ever see the rest of them? Like the ones picturing the water baptisms? I did. But I didn't see them in Da Way. I saw them in some old newsletters displayed at BG Leonard's 90th birthday party, which we hosted for him. I was just casually leafing through some old ones and you can imagine the jolt I got when my eyes landed on a familiar picture. It was the old "1st Piffle Class" photo I'd seen so many times. As you know, Wierwille had recently taken Leonard's class. He returned to O-hiya to teach Leonard's class with Leonard's blessing. The accompanying article was about this Rev. Wierwille teaching CTC's Gifts of the Spirit course to members of his congregation in O-hiya. Turns out wierwille lied to the man, co-opted the man's work as his own. FAMILIAR PATTERN! All of which disqualifies him in any way from having been in public ministry of any kind. Period. However you burnish it and photograph it with a warm hazy glow, the conclusion is clear in the harsh light of day."

Actually, she uses self-rising flour, which has both mixed in already. We were watching a TV miniseries the other week that had someone demonstrate something like what you proposed. In England during the Victorian period (2nd 1/2 of the 1800s), they started to learn about germs and so on, and some people became obsessed with cleaning (while others were jammed together in squalor because the citizens all rushed into the cities all at once, overpopulating them until a LOT more housing could be built.) When they also learned about how yeast worked, part of the population was squicked at the idea of eating a baked product that relied on some kind of germ. So, someone invented a bread that didn't use yeast (before the baking soda/powder type was invented.) We saw a scientist demonstrate how it worked. He needed the carbonated water and something similar to a pressure cooker that forced the gas to remain dissolved. So, if all of that was correct- and I believe it was- then simply carbonated water shouldn't be enough to get the bread to rise significantly. Of course, you may just want it not to rise. Unleavened bread is still eaten to this day, and you can make pizza at home using all-purpose flour with nothing to make it rise. (I know because I ate some this week.)

Mrs Wolf uses self-rising flour instead for pancakes, with the same results. :) I'll pass along your thanks.

IIRC, it was dmiller who met Leonard and looked through his photo album. He found vpw's photo from "his" class. According to Leonard, vpw asked Leonard for permission to teach Leonard's class locally on a one-time basis. Leonard gave permission, and vpw sent a photo of that class to Leonard. According to vpw, the class he taught was HIS class on "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today", which just happened to have identical content to Leonard's class. It was years later when Leonard found out vpw had been plagiarizing him continually. BG Leonard's publishing house was CANADIAN CHRISTIAN PRESS. His examples in class included Maggie Muggins, Johnny Jumpup and Henry Bellocco. Maggie Muggins was recognizable to a Canadian audience. vpw's publishing house was American Christian Press. His examples in class included Maggie Muggins, Johnny Jumpup, and exactly one mention each of Herman Bellocco and Snowball Pete. IMHO, Herman was a mistake when he meant to say Henry, and it stuck, and Snowball Pete was his weak attempt to say something different. "What Maggie Muggins Told us About Wierwille." Mrs W's book was "Born Again to Serve." it was supposedly written by her. The content includes some of her recollections as well as documentation from twi's records, but she didn't actually WRITE the thing, no matter who it says it was written by. It occasionally gave an inside look at something and revealed something they didn't really mean to reveal. There's some interesting threads on the subject, but I'm not sure if any directly address this question. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/14041-bg-leonard-attended-vpws-funeral/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/8966-vpws-plagiarized-sources/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/8645-vpw-on-the-sources-of-his-books/ I made a note somewhere that it's discussed in the thread "the way: living in wonderland" but I'll need to find the post where it was discussed. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/7363-the-wayliving-in-wonderland/ I'll get back with the specifics from that thread when I have time.

Got kinda tired packing and unpacking.

I, for one, am actually at home with LESS time on my hands. It doesn't make sense when you say it like that, but there's more to do here, and fewer moments with nobody around to interrupt something, and more cooking to do. (We can order a delivery, but we're waiting for a return to regular take-out, and are taking out from what few places are allowed to do that now.)

Waxit: "You and your group of people that agree with you are entitled to your own opinions." WordWolf: [Yes we are, and we can-and have- supported it. We're entitled to it either way, and you don't need to keep on posting "well, you're entitled to your opinion, even though it's error and you all walk in darkness" business, things along those lines. It won't convince anyone, and it just looks juvenile.] Waxit: "I have just been on gsc for a a few weeksor splinter group- (I dont give a hoot about TWI or any splinter goup) and you think you know everything about me just by reading a few posts- like i havent spend enough of time away from twi How do you know that???" WordWolf: I never said I "know everything about you." You inferred that from my posts. Either you really think I said that- which is error- or you know I didn't and are pretending I did- which is intentional and worse. I also didn't say you "haven't spend enough time away from twi." Besides, the issue isn't how much time away, but how much THINKING away. If you've spent the last 20 years out of twi but still use all their buzzwords, all their methods, all their paradigms, then you've barely left. If you've been out for a year and divorced from all of that, you've moved on. You're replying far too much on twi methodology for your own good. it leads one from cult to cult, or splinter group to splinter group.] Waxit: "I started a newwthread which invited a people to give me a bible scripture verse that shows 7th day sabbath keeping being insignificant which contracdicts Exodus 20:8-11 and nobody including yourself has done that". WordWolf: {As was already stated, you, personally, already made this thread specifically FOR that. Opening a second thread for the same exact reason is inappropriate in ANY forum. Furthermore, this thread was in the right place, the other was not. Nobody posted on the other except to say it was unnecessary. All the discussion on YOUR subject should all go here. BTW, I COULD get into a lengthy discussion on where you went off-track, but you're not even processing the SHORT, SIMPLE posts clearly, and are complaining when posts are lengthy even when they are CLEAR and ON-TOPIC. You're NOT ready for discussion of weighty matters, and you should at least admit it to yourself. Not everyone IS, but not everyone blames everyone ELSE for their inability to keep up, either.] Waxit: "and you stand on the sidelines barking away at my heels" WordWolf: {Sticks and stones, Waxit.] Waxit: "If you are so insistent in me discussing sabbath with people who are not interested, why dont you give me one bible verse that does show sabbath keeping to be insignificant." WordWolf: {A) You are the one who showed up and insisted on discussing it. Don't blame me for your inability to engage the public. B) Someone already beat me to it. In fact, I started a different thread on something you should consider FIRST- whether ANY rules EVER change- and you skipped that one. Your privilege, but you're the one who needs the discusion most.] Waxit: "I think you are afraid to learn the truth" WordWolf: [Sticks and stones, Waxit. I'd be offended, but it's amateur hour compared to some other insults I've gotten. Plus, it's far from the reality, and I know that (as do the others.) It's far lazier just to slap labels and insults on us than to see if maybe we see something you don't.] Waxit: "Listen i am not inerested in long theological debates and wasting time" WordWolf: It's clear now that you want short, easy-to-digest threads that agree with you. Anything disproving your position is "wasting time." Anything deeper and weightier than what led you astray is a "long theological debate." It's sad you can't see that.] Waxit:"The bible is very clear about the importance of sabbath keeping in the new covenant relationship with God" WordWolf:[No, it's very clear it was important to Jews in the Old Testament. It's also clear that's been made insignificant. (Someone else already posted the verses.) It's further clear that some people continued to observe a Sabbath they were not required to follow. That's fine with me, if that's what they WANT to do.] Waxit:"As i said i have got no hard feelings for those who disagree with me. You can stick to with what you want to believe one thing for sure - we will learn the trugh when we come before the judgement seat of Christ and it will be too late then" WordWolf: {I think you're the only one who doesn't see the "hard feelings" you just evidenced there.] Waxit:"I know that sometimes I repeat stuff but i do that because it's important." WordWolf: [And that's what people say who distribute propaganda and lies. Just because you repeat stuff, and because you THINK it's important, doesn't make it important. And you never made the case it WAS important- you just declared it was and repeated THAT. You don't get why that doesn't work, and I can't make it any simpler.] Waxit: "Havent you heard that repitition of vital truths is the mother of learning>" WordWolf: [Not at all. Do you have a chapter-and-verse for that? If we'd said it, you'd have insisted on those. Don't impose one set of rules on us and a different set on yourself.] Waxit:"Dont need to comment on what i said- which is what you will continue to do to highlight to everyone that you are right and i am wrong " WordWolf: [I'm not commenting to inform THEM, not primarily at least. You would get it if you tried, and you'd try if you cared. And the stakes are too high not to care.] Waxit:"I am not interested in what you think of me because you dont have a clue of who i am and the heart I have for people" WordWolf; [I know everything of you that your word has revealed. And having great heart and SINCERITY for people is no guarantee you're CORRECT. The flat earthers are sincere. The Pharisees that killed Stephen were sincere.] Waxit: "Enough of all this mud slinging to and fro, I challenge you to give me one bible that proves the insignificane of sabbath keeping" WordWolf:[Someone already did it. We can discuss those verses, but I know you're either going to either IGNORE them or DISMISS them without a discussion because otherwise you'd be refuted and shown to be wrong, as you've already done.] Waxit: "or you can reply on the new thread that i started" WordWolf:I already replied on that thread to inform you... never mind, you neither understood it on that thread nor will understand it now. After that failure of understanding simple text, why would anyone trust you to explain Scripture?]

This is strictly amateur hour compared to the Mike Wars. That ran so long I spent more than an hour a week just working up digests of the exchanges. I mainly stopped because nobody commented that they were appreciated or even read. (To me- they quietly told Paw they liked them, but I didn't hear about that for many months.) Furthermore, Waxit's really not getting much UNKIND posting. a few isolated cheap-shots, IMHO, but the posts overall have been civil or better.