WordWolf

That´s a Stones song. I think the title is "You Get What You Need." ("You can´t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find you get what you need.")

I think we did this one once. I was trying to remember that it wasn't Gigli, but.... "Heat"??

...and Joey Fatone hosted "the Singing Bee."

Actually, I was thinking of the old wizard Shazam, who was a character for both companies, but your answer, "BEAT SHAZAM", was correct for the third game.

Twinky: "VPW also used this verse to support his claim: Ex 21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. VPW said that if she miscarried as a result of the fighting (striving), then the punishment was only a fine. If it had been a person, it would have had a life and the penalties for the taking of a life would have applied [death or banishment]. He glossed over or rather ignored the "no further mischief" aspect. But look at this same verse in other translations. Several look at this as meaning simply "premature birth" and some go on to talk about premature birth with no further injury (mischief) - ie, death of the child/ren or the mother. The commentaries on this Biblehub link are interesting, especially Gill's commentary (at the bottom of the page)."

KJV: "Luke 1:41 "And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" Luke 1:44 "For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy." (Greek word 'brephos', which is also rendered "infant" or "young child" elsewhere.) John was not born yet, but he was considered a babe/baby. What month was he at? Well, according to Gabriel, 6 months. Luke 1:36. "And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren." So, John the Baptist, at 6 months if not sooner, was considered a baby, which is some 3 months before "first breath" on the average. That's "sometime before nine months". Further, at 6 months, there was some specificity in that he responded to Mary, and his response somehow indicated a distinction between normal fetal movement and this SPECIFIC reaction. That was in Luke 1:41, as description, and NOT simply a report of Elizabeth's opinion. I expect there's any number of women who've carried a baby for the usual 9 months who could attest to them reacting to stimuli and expressing approval or disapproval in the last trimester. ============================= So, what do we know? We know that, sometime before they take their first breath, they are a baby. We know that, sometime before 9 months, they are a baby. We know that, at the 6th month, they are a baby. We do NOT know if that is the beginning of them being called a baby, or if there's some timeframe before that where the term begins to be applied. We know that a baby is capable of responding to stimuli in the last trimester and is capable of having EMOTIONS (like "joy".) We do not know when that begins, but we know it applies in the last trimester. That's hardly the precise, unambiguous answer we modern folk would like, but it is certainly informative, and it definitely contradicts what vpw/twi said/say. Even so, some people will refuse to see it no matter what BECAUSE vpw taught one thing, so the Bible is not allowed to contradict vpw no matter what.

https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24071-when-is-it-a-person-when-is-it-alive/ vpw put forth the erroneous, self-serving doctrine that a baby, before it is born, is not actually a person. He said it was a THING, a POTENTIAL person, "until it takes its first breath." This allowed him to have twi'ers counsel women to have abortions whenever twi found it inconvenient for them to carry to term. Almost all of it was based purely on vpw's exposition-what he called "private interpretation." The only verse he EVER used on the subject was Luke 1:35. We should all be aware by now that whenever vpw based a doctrine on a single verse, A) it was self-serving and benefited him B) it was based on a misreading of the verse (or a deliberate error) King James Version, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." NIV, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God." NASB, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." ESV, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy--the Son of God." CEV, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come down to you, and God's power will come over you. So your child will be called the holy Son of God." Then there's the less literal versions. The only one who mentions a "thing" is the KJV. In fact, even the NEW KJV says.... NKJV, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." Last time I studied this in the Greek, I found the most literal word-for-word translation for that phrase matches the NIV and the NKV. The word "hagion" in the Stephens Text (per the Gordon Ricker-Berry Interlinear) is what the KJV renders "holy THING." That's a little odd, since the plural of this word is what's rendered "SAINTS" in the Epistles in the KJV, the "holy ones". This "thing" thing is ERROR. Actually, back in twi-timeframes, I was going verse-by-verse through the Greek on much of the New Testament. (I had the time.) I did look at this verse, Luke 1:35. It is true that the English calls Jesus "that holy thing". It also says "replenish" in Genesis, which has nothing to do with the Hebrew meaning of the word, "to fill". So, we look at the Greek. The most literal Greek I got from Luke 1:35 in that verse, from the phrase "holy thing", which was the Greek word "hagion", was "Holy One." That's because the plural of that word, "oi hagioi", is translated as "the saints." (My Bullinger's Critical Greek Lexicon notes that thus noun was used for "the saints" 61 times, and "saint" in the singular once.) This happens in the openings of several Church Epistles, like Romans 1:7, where the word "saints" in "to all those who are in Rome beloved of God called saints", the word "saints" is "hagiois". So Jesus, at the time of "the Annunciation" (Gabriel visiting Mary) was referred to as a "hagios", and I NOW am referred to as a "hagios". Either we are both a "thing" or we both are NOT. Basic English places a noun as a person, place or thing. Since I am a person, I am not a "thing", since I can't be both "person" and "thing" under basic definitions. (Unless one wants to split hairs and go into different specialist vocabularies in an effort to obscure the subject, anyway.) Therefore, since I'm a person or a "holy one" in that expression, so was he. That's using simple Bible cross-checking: the meaning in Luke 1:35 must agree with ALL usages in Scripture. ======================================= In other words, to any REASONABLE standard, it's clear that Jesus was not called a "holy thing" or any other kind of "thing" anywhere except in the King James Version, and certainly not in the Greek texts from which the KJV was translated. Jesus was called a "holy one" there, to be most direct and most literal. So, twi had/has no basis from Scripture for claiming a person begins only at the moment of birth. So, does the Bible have anything to say on when an unborn fetus officially becomes a "baby" or a person? Actually, it does-and it's well short of the 9 months vpw claimed...

The "explanation" given by vpw was that when a person died, they "took their last breath." [CHAPTER AND VERSE, PLEASE.] Therefore, since life ENDED with the LAST breath [SAYS WHO?] then it would have to officially BEGIN with the FIRST breath. The closest there was to any actual Bible verses used was to cite Adam's first breath, and generalize that universally as "the moment when life begins for everyone, everywhere, including animals, in perpetuity." The sentence "The first breath of the child is soul life, until that time there is no soul life" appears in the Advanced class, but this is yet another time vpw spoke error. His lack of understanding of deep matters meant he flubbed them a lot if he couldn't recite from memory the answer of someone who understood better than him. Why am I so sure that this doctrine of vpw and twi IS ERROR? It's error because the Bible says otherwise......

This is a round about game-shows about songs. Name any one to take the round. A) Joey Fatone hosted this show. He showed up, and began singing to the music the band played. He went around the audience, and stopped and passed the microphone to an audience-member who then sang the next line, If they did it correctly, he sent them onstage to compete in the episode. (Repeat until the entire panel was filled from the audience.) Some rounds had the song posted with lots of words missing like holes in Swiss cheese, and there were points for each correct fill-in by a singer. A number of contestants began and were quickly eliminated until the final round, where someone competed solo for a the finale. B) Made to compete with Joe Fatone's show, this show quickly became more popular. Wayne Brady hosted this show. It was said you didn't have to sing well, you just had to [game show title], more or less. Contests went with a single contestant at a time, trying to sing the words to the songs. Each round, they had to pick one of the posted categories, then pick one of the 2 songs posted, then sing the words. Each round, they had to pick another until all the categories were eliminated, and each round requited slightly more missing words filled in. The final round they had to decide to move forward and risk it all, or take their money and run, all with no assistance and only the CATEGORY revealed, not the single song they would have to sing. There also were some celebrity episodes with them playing for charity, which I quite liked. Oh, and the assists were 1 each of 3 assists: select 2 of the missing words to be filled, select for 3 lines to be shown with one of them being the correct line they needed, and bring up your back-up singer to the microphone to sing it for you (if you think they know the answer.) My favorite moment was when Meat Loaf brought up his back-up singer, his friend Patty. She came up and announced "I am The Meat Patty!" before going for the answer. C) This more recent show was hosted by Jamie Foxx. It had several teams of 2 players trying to identify songs that they heard, by picking their titles from a list. The points went to the one with the right answer- or the FASTEST correct answer if 2 or 3 got it correct.) The final round had the top team try to name songs without a list, and identify them by sound before the show's dreaded music app could name the songs. They could potentially take home a million dollars (split 2 ways) if they could perform the show's title. The app is older than the show and was designed specifically for identifying songs after hearing a clip of a song. This is a current show. Neither the app nor the show have any connection with any comic book character, not even any property of DC nor Fawcett.

A pity you were unable to put the title into practice....

Close enough, Human! The band IS "Chumbawumba." The official song title is "Tubthumping." "Tubthumping" is a British slang expression somewhere for what happens in election campaigns- the candidate arrives and gets up to make his speech. The band's name came from a strange dream one of them had. In the dream, men were called chumbas, and women were called wumbas. You clearly know the chorus ("I get knocked down, but I get up again, they ain't never gonna keep me down.") Your turn, Human!

twi has hemmoraged almost all its members. They have nothing to offer new people. They are unable to get their current members to produce enormous litters of fast-maturing offspring that they could soak for income (impossible for several reasons, of course.) So, with nothing to offer people who've never heard of twi, they're pretty desperate for "new" (old, returning) members they can soak for more income/ Social Security checks. So, the few people left inside are told to be especially nice to people like you, and see if they can rope you in all over again. twi has "calmed down" in the sense that it is boring and putting people to sleep, and no longer has the luxury of chasing off lukewarm members who still give them money or buy their products. hq was never your home, no matter what you were told.

I did a little checking in some of the old threads. Without checking everything, it appears that the way corps incorporated DC early on, in different versions. Forst, DC's famous book was required reading. Then some techniques from there were taught to be used for "witnessing." Then a grad of DC's course was in twi, and he began teaching a twi "version" of the material (again, with neither credit nor licensing fees nor notice given to the organization that owned all the rights.) HCW made a passing comment about having actual DC trainers show up on grounds, but I've found technical problems with some of his accounts before, so perhaps he was misinformed about twi actually paying for a DC trainer to show up and train. On the other hand, it is POSSIBLE they did. It is inconsistent with twi policy, however. (Plagiarize what you can, use without paying anything you can.) Having seen they were already using DC material and getting away with doing it for free, I have a hard time picturing vpw deciding to do the morally-responsible- and EXPENSIVE- thing and giving both due credit AND MONEY to DC. IF it happened, there would have to be one HECK of a story behind it- something elaborate with wc people setting it all up in secret, or something.

There's still people claiming it's a lot nicer now in twi, and all the not-nice people have left. Bushwah!

I'd heard that here, with no names attached to the story. I'd heard that some graduate of the DC course had been reteaching the material without notifying DC nor paying royalties, at vpw's order. Since this was completely how vpw did things, it didn't surprise me one bit- except, possibly, that it was still known by the name of the originating material and not some new program vpw and God concocted together in a church basement while vpw ate grapes while miraculous snow fell, or something. Then again, too many people knew that's where the material was from, so he couldn't hide the name without making it obvious he was doing that- which would reveal he was capable of plagiarizing the work of others, and he didn't WANT to get caught or even suspected. I also know lcm said that vpw complained that too many corps weren't REALLY committed, and were just in it to learn the DC course material (lcm said so in "vp and me.") It's amazing how many things vpw found to complain about when it came to the wc students while he had them on-grounds and paying and doing manual labor- but never found any reason to make the program more selective, drawing fewer numbers but also less tuition and fewer bodies to perform manual labor while paying for the privilege.

I imagine you haven't heard the title of the third- if you had, you, personally, would find it difficult to forget once you'd heard it. As for the second, in playing, the important part would involve remembering the words to the songs, but you need to remember the words to the title. :)

Mira Sorvino Mighty Aphrodite Helena Bonham Carter

"Don't cry for me, next door neighbor." "Oh, Danny boy, Danny boy, Danny boy!" "He drinks a whiskey drink, he drinks a vodka drink, he drinks a lager drink, he drinks a cider drink, He sings the songs that remind him of the good times, he sings the songs that remind him of the best times."

Ok, let's see if anyone can answer this one. This is a round about game-shows about songs. Name any one to take the round. A) Joey Fatone hosted this show. He showed up, and began singing to the music the band played. He went around the audience, and stopped and passed the microphone to an audience-member who then sang the next line, If they did it correctly, he sent them onstage to compete in the episode. (Repeat until the entire panel was filled from the audience.) Some rounds had the song posted with lots of words missing like holes in Swiss cheese, and there were points for each correct fill-in by a singer. A number of contestants began and were quickly eliminated until the final round, where someone competed solo for a the finale. B) Made to compete with Joe Fatone's show, this show quickly became more popular. Wayne Brady hosted this show. It was said you didn't have to sing well, you just had to [game show title], more or less. Contests went with a single contestant at a time, trying to sing the words to the songs. Each round, they had to pick one of the posted categories, then pick one of the 2 songs posted, then sing the words. Each round, they had to pick another until all the categories were eliminated, and each round requited slightly more missing words filled in. The final round they had to decide to move forward and risk it all, or take their money and run, all with no assistance and only the CATEGORY revealed, not the single song they would have to sing. There also were some celebrity episodes with them playing for charity, which I quite liked. Oh, and the assists were 1 each of 3 assists: select 2 of the missing words to be filled, select for 3 lines to be shown with one of them being the correct line they needed, and bring up your back-up singer to the microphone to sing it for you (if you think they know the answer.) My favorite moment was when Meat Loaf brought up his back-up singer, his friend Patty. She came up and announced "I am The Meat Patty!" before going for the answer. C) This more recent show was hosted by Jamie Foxx. It had several teams of 2 players trying to identify songs that they heard, by picking their titles from a list. The points went to the one with the right answer- or the FASTEST correct answer if 2 or 3 got it correct.) The final round had the top team try to name songs without a list, and identify them by sound before the show's dreaded music app could name the songs. They could potentially take home a million dollars (split 2 ways) if they could perform the show's title.

"It was a beautiful day, the sun beat down, I had the radio, I was driving."

But then you might have made "MONEY FOR NOTHING" and gotten your chicks for free, like Dire Straits' song lamented. Supposedly, Mark K was standing behind a stranger at a display window of TVs set to MTV, when the stranger began complaining, sour grapes fashion, about the soft life of MTV musicians. Mark then adapted the guy's rant into the lyrics of a new song. I can't prove that, but the specificity of the rant (the guy is a deliveryman for an appliance store) sure sounds like it came from a specific person.

For a number of years, I'm aware that twi's way corps taught their students the entire contents of the Dale Carnegie Sales Training course without paying any licensing fees to the company- nor any other fee, for that matter. Does anyone know if they still cheat Dale Carnegie to this day?

The Zappa and Liberace clues threw me off. This is "THE MONKEES."