WordWolf

Since this was the wrong thread, I'd already moved it to the right thread- but you can reply there since I just pasted it there. :)

"Try, try, try to separate them, it's an illusion."

Next song. "Cold late night so long ago when I was not so strong you know, a pretty man came to me, never seen eyes so blue. You know, I could not run away. It seemed we'd seen each other in a dream. It seemed like he knew me. He looked right through me, yeah."

(wrong thread)

"Logan's Run" derail.... I read the book a long time ago. In the movie, the age limit for people was set at 30, in the book it was set at 21 years old. The idea was that, in the future, the high birth rate (which, really, was addressable directly) meant that the Earth would be completely overrun by people, so each person's age limit was set universally at 21 years old. There were no families. You were born into some sort of structure, and your hand had a device called a "lifeflower" implanted and visible at all times. It had the record of exactly how old you were. From ages 0-7, the "lifeflower" gem was yellow. From ages 7-14, the gem was blue. From 14-21, the gem was red. When you reached within 24 hours of your 21st birthday, the gem began BLINKING- on was red, off was black. You were on Last Day. For Last Day, you tended to get special privileges here and there- anyone could see it was your last day- but you also had 24 hours to report in to some sort of extermination facility. If you failed to report in within 24 hours, your "lifeflower" gem turned black, and an alert went off in the central computer system. Then you were considered a "runner" who had "rejected sleep." Now, the authorities sent their agents to recover you- the DS men, aka "sandmen." Sandmen on duty wore grey uniforms, and people knew to let them pass. They carried revolvers, and each of the 6 chambers had a different specialized bullet loaded (a Sandman could reload, obviously.) There were bullets like Tangler (fired a capture web, useful if you might hit a civilian), Needler, Ripper, Vapor (gas cloud- Sandmen put on nose filters when firing those), Nitro (an explosive) and the dreaded Homer (a heat-seeking bullet, useful in the open, and much feared by the populace "You can't get away from a Homer." ) In this setting, there was an advanced society, and there were a few people lived outside it- like almost-feral gangs of children -"cubs"- who supposedly committed suicide sometime before their Last Day and didn't include any Reds in their number. There were legends that people COULD live much longer, and that supposedly there was a place where they could live out full lives- "Sanctuary." The title character, Logan 5, was a Sandman. Since the last person didn't explain what drives the story, I'll leave that vague as well, to avoid spoilers. You can pm me for as much information as you want.

This rings a bell in an odd way. "DAVID NAUGHTON???"

Thaddeus Bodog Sivana! That was the main villain in "Shazam!" Oh, the actor? Um, something Strong. Mark Strong?

I know Lord Badasss, demon hunter, is summoned whenever this song is played backwards. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/badasss/4005-29120/ When The Badger needed him summoned, they wondered what "the worst song in the universe" could be- but The Badger immediately claimed that Ham (the weather wizard) had it, and dug out his copy of "Red Sovine's Trucking Music." He began playing it backwards, saying it could only improve the song. Sure enough, a few lines into "RAEB YDDET", the demon hunter appeared and saved the day. Amazingly, back in ancient Babylon, they recited this exact same song to summon him! Personally, I think this song deserves better than THAT. It's not one of the greatest, but it's a nice song.

I sometimes find it fascinating that things that DON'T make sense often had a list of verses appended to them, supposedly to document them, but never actually gone over to make the point. The list wasn't there to answer questions, the list was to BLUFF. Supposedly, if you had doubts, and there's a supposed STACK of verses saying the opposite of what you're saying, the problem is you. Nobody ever actually read through the lists to see if they RELATED. (Some "keys to walking by the spirit" had lists like that after them, never discussed.) The standard procedure- begun by vpw- was to expound upon a rambling set of analogies and anecdotes, then go fast over some verses that SUPPOSEDLY made the point, go somewhere else with the verses, then act like everything was answered just then.

[lcm had this thing about walking around and having passing thoughts- then making big announcements about his passing thoughts because he was getting super-revelation just like vpw did! One thing he said after one such walk was "The Word is over the world!" (right after twi lost over 80% of its people- NOW it was MOST successful in spreading "The Word" and had spread it furthest!) Another thing he said after another such walk was "Owe no man nothing, save to love one another" meant all twi'ers were supposed to remove all debt from their lives and keep it that way. Both times, other people were tasked to defend his offhand comments, and claim they actually made sense when they actually did not. (No, I'm referring to lcm, not anyone unrelated to twi.) In the case of debt, people came forth with wise explanations from Scripture and wise explanations from financial experts as to why this didn't work. But no, lcm said it, so now twi was STUCK with it- and kicked people out of programs and off grounds because of it, depending on their specifics. ]

My submitted replies seem to be submitting. Perhaps the problem was fixed. (Then again, I did another incremental upgrade of my browser, so perhaps that did it. Either way, it's working for me.)

"Advanced Class '78 was our first Advanced Class...and that's probably the where and when of the first really big red flag that popped up for my wife and I. My wife got into a big argument with her Twig coordinator over the technical details of how to get born again of the wrong-seed - the Twig Coordinator was emphatic that there was a specific ritual one had to follow...whereas my wife's side of the argument was like my own, that there was nothing much taught on exactly HOW one gets born again of the wrong-seed..." wierwille's scary little bugaboo didn't even make sense on paper. Look- if we accept his premise that the devil can only make inferior copies of anything the true God makes, and can only corrupt or twist what's already there, then there was nothing before Pentecost of which to make an inferior copy! If the flesh and the spirit really are separate and don't overlap (you can't punch a devil-spirit with a flesh fist), then what flesh-and-blood ceremony could PERMANENTLY attach ONE to the OTHER? Further, there's no "percentage" in it for a smart "devil" to make an obvious target like that! In all the other schema, we see a person, and we see a spirit, and sometimes the spirit goes to the person, and they interact- a man speaks words from the spirit by possession, etc. Then the spirit leaves for a time- short or long. There's no benefit to keeping one spirit stuck with one person all the time, especially when it's easy to just kill the flesh-and-blood person. That raises the obvious question of what that would do to a spirit that was locked into a person who, say, was burned at the stake or beheaded. So, there's no point for a devil to come up with the system in the first place, nor to lock one of his agents in place needlessly. He's not known for loyalty- he's known for feigning loyalty and abandoning people as soon as it's expedient (just like vpw- hey, maybe that's how vpw got knowledge of spirits, by direct, long-term contact...) A specific ritual makes NO sense. Flesh-and-blood rituals to affect a spirit shouldn't have an effect. it's also a twi thing that the devil tailors his approach to the times and the cultures- so a ritual used by ancient Etruscans would not resemble a ritual used by anyone in the 20th century. The subject was vague because wierwille made the whole thing up from whole cloth. Supposedly, the Old Testament equivalent were "sons of Belial" - but by usage, the only thing we ever see about them is that they have a reputation for being DRUNKEN FOOLS. (Hey, I recognize wierwille again!) Everything else was what vpw himself referred to as "private interpretation", and is also known among other people as "bull$h1tting everyone." So, one does not "get born again of the wrong seed" because there is NO SUCH THING. It did not appear in the Bible. It was simply an occult (hidden) doctrine of wierwille's, who used its existence as another control mechanism because he, supposedly, had the inside track. After all, there were no other ministries or churches out there you could learn about this! :) So, he invented a new, secret thing, and congratulated you all for being mature enough to understand it. ]

"After seeing how the first three "manifestations" were practiced and critiqued until it was seen that we could do them, the lack of any practical instruction in the other six was a letdown." [As we've discussed since then, it's totally possible to FAKE "the utterance manifestations" and to think you're doing the real thing! It takes a lot of priming, a lot of groupthink, and a willingness to try. So, lots of practical instruction on how to "speak in tongues at will" was easy to fake. Lots of practical instruction on the working of miracles was hard as heck to fake! Yes, hindsight is 20/20, so it's easy to see now.] "And was there every a definition of the "manifestation of believing" that made even a little sense? " [As a whole, the definitions were overly wordy, overly stilted, and deliberately expansive. vpw took definitions Leonard had written, then added lots of polysyllabic words until it didn't resemble the original. He didn't UNDERSTAND them, just piled stuff on. That's why he piled a lot of words onto "word of knowledge" without addressing that it said it was about something it was "impossible to know by the 5 senses." This part of the definition tripped up a LOT of people, and led some people to think that you were UNABLE to ask God for knowledge if it was something it was "POSSIBLE" you might have found out by your 5 senses. That one was so egregious that geer felt the need to fix that one- and eliminated that particular source of confusion. (He then went on to making new sources of confusion by doing things like taking out "may" from the definition- which meant people thought that operating "word of knowledge" guaranteed you'd get an answer from God- as if it COMPELLED Him to to answer! The actuality, if there is one, is that it's the supernatural ability to communicate directly with Him, and request direct responses at His discretion. But being able to directly communicate a request to The Creator of the Universe would definitely be supernatural whether or not He wished to respond. vpw didn't UNDERSTAND "the manifestation of believing", so he piled on syllables until he could obscure the issue.] "Apparently, this was wierwille's modus operandi. In closed-door settings (generally, with the way corps).....wierwille would sulk and opine his "having to deal with undisciplined corps." Yet, it was wierwille who was off-track and undisciplined. With Drambuie in hand, wierwille was a bully. " [In public, vpw was SUCH a nice guy. When the cameras were off, he was a bully.] "At this advanced class, we were led on a number of tangents.....1) The Thirteenth Tribe, 2) The Marxist Minstrels, 3) The Illuminati, 4) None Dare Call It Conspiracy, 5) Babylon Mystery Revealed, 6) Seed of the Serpent, 7) Major Denominations All Have Seed Boys In Charge, 8) 16 Keys to Walking By the Spirit, 9) Definitions to all Nine Manifestations, etc. " [As you now know, almost all of that was NONSENSE and a WASTE OF TIME. vpw's inability to tell that says a lot about him. But it sure did fill a bunch of hours of the class, didn't it? And some people felt privileged to have the secret, inside story on things, didn't they? (No, I'm not going to get political.) ] "Lots of reading Old Testament records. The Advanced Class is to bring people to full, spiritual maturity......so, were we NOW fully, spiritually mature to stand on our own two feet without twi ? NOPE. Each class, each program leads to another.....and then another. The Way International's dirty little secret is that you will always be a STUDENT....and they will always be your LEADERS and TEACHERS. In this setup, you are always subordinate to them. You are dependent on them to "teach you the word." YOU must abundantly share 20% (at least) for the rest of your life to be in their good graces to *receive God's Word on a silver platter.*" [And yet, Leonard's class- which it plagiarized- was meant SPECIFICALLY for ministers so they could complete parts of their education so they could go minister to others in their own congregations, standing on their own without another class nor its teacher. vpw added that "dependency"part all on his own.] "I had a lot of disappointing times while I was in The Way. The Advanced Class, though, was miles beyond disappointing. It was depressing. When the class concluded, I felt like a total failure because the expectation of being able to operate the manifestations just wasn't happening for me. At the same time, everyone else seemed to be moving ahead full speed. I felt like I not only failed the class, but all the time and effort I had devoted to preparing for it was in vain. Well, it's only in retrospect that I understand I didn't fail the class, the class failed me. I kind of chuckle now thinking about how seriously I took all that nonsense. " {So, you think all the people who were moving ahead, you think they were faking it because they thought they were the only ones who weren't moving ahead? Or do you think they really thought they were getting somewhere?]

¨Papa Was a Rolling Stone???"

¨Papa Was a Rolling Stone???""*

Emma Stone????

In my experience, it was. It was used by one person, who used it in the sense of "we don't think, we believe and use that to solve problems instead!" Then again, he was an idiot, but I'm sure you'd guessed that by now.

Definitely some glitches in the upgrade. At least 1/2 my submitted replies aren't going through. They're stalled on the "replying" stage indefinitely.

Any chance this is the Village People's "In The Navy?" I'd recognize the chorus, I think, but not the rest of the song.

Anything POLITICAL is against GSC rules. Since that almost ended the GSC, that's NOT up for debate nor reconsideration. Some subjects are too rife with politics, controversy, or both. A different thread with the opposite intent was shut down quickly the other year. They didn't forbid your POV, they're ending all discussions on that subject in EITHER direction (at least, at this point in time- but then, there used to be political threads once, as well.) They're not being "woke", they're setting boundaries for this board.

The OBVIOUS conclusion is that the website software received an incremental upgrade, and this came along for the ride. I´m confident the staff didn´t know about it until people started complaining about it. This actually happens a lot on line. Little changes here and there, and suddenly, a ¨small¨ change that arrived with the others is causing trouble. BTW, how about thinking of "Naruto" with this "leaf" stuff?

That's it! Courtesy of the Steve Miller Band. "Abra, Abra Kadabra, I want to reach out and grab ya."

"What I was referring to is the growing number of Facebook groups that are PFAL friendly. A number of current members of TWI have joined it. From them I saw posted pictures of the PFAL Camp this thread started with. Then they had an AC Camp. Why does everyone WANT to think I'm BSing? I saw these many groups spring up in the past 5 or so years. Some have a lot of members? How many? Go look yourselves." {The thing is, Mike, it's not that you're BSíng- because that's intentional. You're honestly mistaken. It's the same as anyone who tries to do statistics with an insufficient background. You're going to end up with the wrong numbers no matter how sincere you are. Facebook groups OVERLAP. If you have 5 groups with the same, OBSCURE interest, they're going to be composed of almost identical member lists. In the case of Facebook extwi groups, there's going to be a LOT of overlap. Further, you'll probably find a bunch of US in some of those lists- because just being signed up for one group doesn't make you a "fan" necessarily. Yes, there's extwi "fans" of their twi experience and pfal and the way corps, but their numbers aren't a fraction of what you'd like to think they are- and yes, they're aging out.] "I think that all of you have finished exposing the worst of TWI. Many out there only want to think of the great benefits they received. Whenever I mention GreasSpot to them they are SO disinterested in getting all negative, so I learned to not mention this place. " [A) No, as others already said, there's important light that STILL needs to be shined on things, especially while there's people who insist on whitewashing the worst of so much of it. I'm sure a FEW want ONLY to focus on happy memories from there. We've all discussed them, I've posted about them before- in addition to the bad times. It's PERCEPTION that it's ALL we've talked about here because here is the ONLY place anyone seems to be ALLOWED to talk about the bad times. People trying to hide from the worst of it will avoid us like the plague because they're trying to make nostalgia about a place that had no down side- which only exists in their imaginations and in their scrubbed memories of HALF the story. And that's fewer people than you'd like to admit.(You've supposedly extrapolated THOUSANDS from the handfuls you've communicated with.) ] "I think you all need some closure, after this many decades. You did the job you felt urged to do. Now you just seem to be helping each other maintain a great state of negativity. Why not turn to those things that are right in your lives and that generate GREAT JOY in your lives? I refuse to believe your lives are over or incapable of finally putting to rest the negatives of the past. Take what you have right in you heads about the gentle, true, loving God and MAGNIFY it for some other people. How many young people are you teaching the goodness of God to? Are THEY interested in all the negativity that you have saturated your lives with? I doubt that more than the numbers you doubt from me." [There's this persistent FICTION that exists in your mind and in the minds of a handful of people. To try to make yourselves feel better, you've all imagined that we spend all our lives focused on negative things, that all you know is what you've read on SOME of the posts we've made. Some of us have posted on some of the positive things, but you've skipped over them rather completely. Some of us have started ENTIRE THREADS about them- but since they don't match your fantasy of how dark our lives are, you can't even seem to FIND those threads. ]

*grabs George* Wrong title, try again.

"I heat up, I can't cool down- you got me spinnin' 'round and 'round."