WordWolf

We discussed this before, the previous thread is here: "If a Million People Love You".... https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/7373-if-a-million-people-love-you/ Guadalupe de Saavedra's version, predating vpw and TY, is here: https://web.archive.org/web/20091027122556/http://geocities.com/lilbevykitty/1000ppl.html https://web.archive.org/web/20030206141507/http://donhuntington.com/poems.html Here was TY claiming credit by attaching his own name to it.... https://web.archive.org/web/20030220000717/http://www.ohiodeathrow.com/terrell_yarbrough.htm

It's been commented here that victor paul wierwille, serial plagiarist, couldn't express himself well without plagiarizing the words of others, the works of others. When I was a small child, it occurred to me that, if I went to a poem whose author was anonymous, lost to time, and I began trying to connect my name to it, eventually I could get people to believe I'd written it. The thought didn't go farther than that. However, if I'd been a dishonest, serial plagiarist, like victor paui wierwille, I might have gone farther and connected my name with a poem from someone else. vpw could do this, and vpw DID do this. "If A Million People Love You." That's a poem that at least 2 different people plagiarized and then tried to take credit for. The first was vpw, and the second was a convicted criminal on death row. https://web.archive.org/web/20030220000717/http://www.ohiodeathrow.com/terrell_yarbrough.htm If A Million People Love You If a million people love you, I will be among them. If only a thousand people love you, Remember, I'll be one of the thousand who cares. If only a hundred people love you, I'll be the one who cries. If only two people love you, I'll be the one on your right side. But if no one on earth is left to love you, you will know that I have died! But God is still alive! Terrell Yarbrough Mind you, vpw was already claiming credit for this poem when this man wasn't yet born! twi published "Album of Verse." The last poem in the book was "If a Million People Love You," phrased identically to this. The poem has that it was WRITTEN BY victor paul wierwille there. Some time before that, the poem is credited to Guadalupe de Saavedra. If You Hear That a Thousand People Love You, by Guadalupe de Saavedra, 1973. "If you hear that a thousand people love you, remember, saavedra is among them. If you hear that a hundred people love you, remember, saavedra is in the first or last row. If you hear that seven people love you, remember, saavedra is among them, like a Wednesday in the middle of the week. If you hear that two people love you, remember, one of them is saavedra. If you hear that only one person loves you, remember he is saavedra. And when you see no one else around you, and you find out that no one loves you anymore, then you will know for certain that saavedra is dead. " I'm confident, however, that the original poem with a million people loving you pre-existed THIS version, and was used on websites where people memorialized their dearly departed. Before that, it would have been discussed or used in memorials, funerals, etc. Just like it's used today. It would have been easy for vpw to overhear it and get a copy written out, then plagiarize it like he plagiarized everything else. The only part that wasn't identical was the line "but God is still alive." Rather than think Christians cut off that line later, it's a lot more logical to conclude that last line was ADDED later- as in, when vpw plagiarized it, he added a sentence, then said "Look at this poem I wrote." It's his standard operating procedure.

It's known that, while he was teaching sermons, he was editing the work of other Christians for a periodical- and lifted their work for his sermons. It's known that, while he was teaching pfal, the rambling and material was organized by people like Rhoda, and eventually compiled into books. (As has been said, it's the cheap way for a minister to "write" a book- to have someone transcribe some of your sermons and compile them into a book.) Of course, that pfal material was from Stiles, Bullinger, Kenyon, etc to begin with. The White Book was largely retyped by vpw from Stiles' book on the holy spirit, and later had a few additions from Bullinger, etc. That's why it doesn't sound like vpw, it sounds like Stiles. vpw had a familiarity with this method, he was comfortable with it. Did he approach his correspondence classes with a sudden honesty, skipping plagiarism and submitting entirely his own work, or did he do what he always did, and rip off others and rely on others to shore up his deficient skills with presentation and phrasing, and so on? No, really, a man who plagiarized, lied, deceived, and had others do the heavy lifting in research AND presentation the rest of the time, would he even consider the more difficult, HONEST way if he had options? Would a leopard change his spots?

I thought somebody might- I would. Sometimes they would edit that word in airing the song. At the end of the song, there's a bunch of spoken words as if there's a conversation we're missing. Those were all excerpts from interviews, which were edited together and into the end of the song. In other words, CORRECT.

Ok, next round. Here's some actors, name the role: Dylan Sprayberry Cooper Timberline George Newbern

Entire episodes circled around the concepts from the first 3 quotes. One episode, a Greek platoon expressed their thanks by sending a Greek feast, including a live lamb. Radar arranged its escape- Blake signed the papers authorizing the emergency hardship discharge of Private Charles Lamb. ("You know him- short, curly-haired guy." "Death in the family?" "Almost."") Another episode centered around their inability to get an incubator for the unit- which delayed diagnoses of illnesses, and they went all over Korea trying to get one. Another favorite episode centered around how the army decided to hide weapons dumps near the hospitals in the hopes no enemy would attack it. One rogue North Korean pilot tried, every day at 5pm, to hit it with a bomb- missing by a lot and generating bets as to what he would hit. The army authorized the addition of a cannon to the unit- which meant they needed to figure out how to get rid of the ammo dump- which would get rid of Charlie AND the gun. The last quote was from Hawkeye in the Officers Club.

Yes.

IIRC, they shortened "Kajagoogoo" some time ago to "Kaja." Did they restore the old name? I don't want to look it up because I'll end up running across the game answer that way.

"Don't give me that do goody-good bull$h1t." "Ha-ha! I was in the right!" "Yes, absolutely in the right!" "I certainly was in the right!" "Yeah, I was definitely in the right. That geezer was cruising for a bruising!" "Why does anyone do anything?" "Yeah!" "Why does anyone do anything?" "I don't know, I was really drunk at the time!" "I was just telling him it was in, he could get it in Number Two. He was asking why it wasn't coming up on freight eleven. After, I was yelling and screaming and telling him why it wasn't coming up on freight eleven. It came to a heavy blow, which sorted the matter out."

Keep in mind that even words spoken during a song are part of the lyrics. As you can see, sometimes that can include quite a lot that doesn't sound like a normal "song." You've heard this song before, I'm sure.

"Let me tell you how it will be. There's 1 for you, 19 for me."

"In the meantime, be on the lookout for a male Caucasian lamb. He is unarmed, and considered to be delicious." "You have a fever of 109 stroke 10, you can't have an incubator but you can have a pizza to go, unless of course you go first." "Attention. Attention. One minute to Charlie. The betting book is now closed." "I'd like a dry martini, Mr. Quoc, a very dry martini. A very dry, arid, barren, desiccated, veritable dustbowl of a martini. I want a martini that could be declared a disaster area. Mix me just such a martini."

I'll ignore my first response, and go with the Corsican instead. How about "NAPOLEON BONAPARTE"?

I don't know him. Is he one of the Baldwin brothers? I've heard of Alec, Billy, Daniel, and maybe Bobby (or maybe I made that one up.)

Ok, next song. "Ha-ha! I was in the right!" "Yes, absolutely in the right!" "I certainly was in the right!" "Yeah, I was definitely in the right. That geezer was cruising for a bruising!" "Why does anyone do anything?" "Yeah!" "Why does anyone do anything?" "I don't know, I was really drunk at the time!" "I was just telling him it was in, he could get it in Number Two. He was asking why it wasn't coming up on freight eleven. After, I was yelling and screaming and telling him why it wasn't coming up on freight eleven. It came to a heavy blow, which sorted the matter out."

The first Grateful Dead album I ever bought WAS "In The Dark." I was introduced to them with that album, then listened to some of their older stuff. That was a generational thing.

Of course, a rewrite is the perfect excuse for making everyone pay to retake the same class all over again. "So much has changed, it's a completely new class!"

"Carefui, careful. Every one of them has a mother." "It's a low neighborhood, full of rumpots. They're used to curious sights, which they attribute to alcoholic delusions. " "Excuse me, I'll slip into something more comfortable while your cocoa is warming. " " This curtain which separates our countries is so foolish. If we could just contrive some way of getting more deeply involved with each other. " "Oh, da. Da, we must search for such a method." "Disposing of pre-atomic submarines to persons who don't even leave their full addresses... Good day, Admiral! " "What weighs six ounces, sits in a tree and is very dangerous?" "A sparrow with a machine gun!" "Yes, of course."

No.

"Carefui, careful. Every one of them has a mother." "It's a low neighborhood, full of rumpots. They're used to curious sights, which they attribute to alcoholic delusions. " "Excuse me, I'll slip into something more comfortable while your cocoa is warming. " " This curtain which separates our countries is so foolish. If we could just contrive some way of getting more deeply involved with each other. " "Oh, da. Da, we must search for such a method."

You said, more than once, that it was only from the 1980s onward that people believed their pets would live on in the afterlife. No, even vpw mentioned it in the filmed/taped pfal class. He complained about "immortal soul" and so on, and said that's why some religions teach that animals live on forever, and that's why they have a Dog Heaven and a Cat Heaven, and so on. He was teaching at at least in the 60s in response to what some people believed, which means some people were teaching otherwise, somewhere, at the time.

Mark Knopfler (of Dire Straits) sang Willy De Ville's "Story Book Love" for the soundtrack. William Golding's parents were Max and Valerie. Cary Elwes didn't do the acrobatic flip, of course. He hurt his foot when he finally agreed to try out Andre's 4-wheeler and wiped out. Mandy Patinkin finally hurt a rib when working with Billy Crystal. The story is a fairy tale being told to a kid. It's not meant to be historically accurate, and is deliberately anachronistic (the references to Australia, etc.) And we're following the telling of the story and how the grandson is imagining it, so there can be inaccuracies because that's how it's imagined. I really hope they don't try to film a remake of this movie. It would be like trying to catch lightning in a bottle. In the scene where they emptied the Thieves' Forest, one man tried, unsuccessfully, to get Inigo Montoya to leave. "Ho, there!" Inigo's response slipped the swear in. Westley was stunned by Count Rugen. Elwes told Guest to hit him for real- with predictable results. Andre the Giant really liked filming this movie. The thing he liked least was being stared at wherever he went, and on this set, he was just one of the guys- which he really appreciated.

Rob Reiner was the Director, but William Golding's exact role is hard to quantify. He wrote the original book, and the screenplay, and had a lot of input on-set while it was filming. So, I think of him also as the Director. I kept meaning to check if I needed to rephrase that. But, yes, this was THE PRINCESS BRIDE.

Next movie. "Carefui, careful. Every one of them has a mother." "It's a low neighborhood, full of rumpots. They're used to curious sights, which they attribute to alcoholic delusions. "

This is the Grateful Dead's "Touch of Grey". their first commercial hit off of "In The Dark." "Oh, well, a touch of grey kind of suits you anyway. That was all I have to say, but, it's all right. I will get by." The music video (they did a music video) was neat- they were playing in a concert, and the band was swapped out for skeletons dressed as the band, playing the instruments. They loved the video, and didn't mind that it was possible to see the rigging to animate the skeletons. This album introduced a different generation to the Grateful Dead, and was a commercial success. (It was followed by an album that wasn't quite as successful, but had at least two hits- "Foolish Heart" and "Shakedown Street." )