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B) The alleged promise was a lie. Supposedly, God Almighty promised He would teach like it hadn't been known since the 1st century AD. If this were true, there would be a complete disconnect with what was being taught and known elsewhere in 1942 EVERYWHERE and what vpw later taught (because we know he taught others.) However, even those who idolize vpw agree that the material he taught was already taught by others. A paper trail can be traced for virtually all the twi material vpw taught. vpw took Leonard's class, and a few months later, taught 100% of the same material. vpw bought Stiles' book, then typed up a book with the contents- later adding the contents of books by Bullinger to flesh it out more. And so on. So, either God Almighty lied when giving this promise, someone else claiming to be God lied and vpw couldn't tell the difference between a lying spirit and God Almighty, or vpw lied and nobody promised him at all.

Every now and again, someone still claims that pfal and twi were special. Their reason for this is the claim that vpw was special. Their reason for this is the 1942 promise. vpw claimed he received a promise from God Almighty in 1942, and he used this claim to justify thinking of "his" books and classes to akin to the Bible itself. The supposition that pfal was of significant long-term benefit hangs primarily on the alleged "1942 promise." That promise, as stated by vpw, was that God spoke audibly to vpw, and promised that God Almighty would teach vpw God's Word like it hadn't been known since the first century (AD) if vpw would teach it to others. vpw supposedly asked God to confirm this by a miraculous snowstorm. All right, how many ways can we show this 1942 promise failed? We've done it lots of times before, this is mostly compilation. A) The miraculous snowstorm never happened. There was NO report of actual snow anywhere near where this allegedly happened. When it supposedly happened, he didn't even tell his own wife it happened. Come on, that would have been the first words out of any spouse's mouth that evening. ("Honey, you'll never believe what happened to me today...") He never claimed it until decades later. He couldn't keep the details of the miraculous event straight, even. When he first began making this claim, he said the sky looked BLACK with all the heavy snow. This, BTW, isn't what it looks like for even the heaviest snow. Later-probably because he learned that doesn't happen- he switched to saying the sky was WHITE with snow. I'm sure details can get lost over time, but if a miraculous event that turns the sky all one color, you'd at least remember the color. Finally, this wasn't the only time vpw claimed a miraculous snowstorm. In fact, he did it whenever it was convenient. When he added special significance to the minister's conference where he met Stiles, vpw claimed that the entire city was snowed in completely. He was unable to get out because planes, trains and buses were all stopped due to heavy snow conditions, a blizzard. This was a rather big lie, and one that was check-able. When someone spoke to him about it, he didn't say "I was there and saw the snow and walked in it, check again", he immediately switched his story to prevent trying to contradict the weather report. He immediately began claiming the snow was an angelic apparition- angels made him see snow that wasn't there, and when he phoned transit places, angels answered the phone and lied to him. (He would rather have us think angels lied than that he lied.) In reality, not even a single FLAKE fell from the sky in that city that day, and the temperature didn't reach freezing. This wasn't the last time vpw made up a convenient snowstorm, even. A poster here once noted that vpw was supposed to visit their area. Instead, he phoned and said that he WANTED to fly there, but he was located at a bad snowstorm and he was told it was unsafe. The poster checked the weather in vpw's area at the time, and there was neither snow nor storms predicted. So, the entire snow part was a lie. Without that, there's no 1942 promise. However, even if it was possible for there to have been a snowstorm (it's not possible), the other problems with his story would be enough to discredit it. There WAS no 1942 promise. vpw was NEVER some great one. pfal was NEVER some great class nor great study materials. It was all built up as a con-and not the most secure con, either. It needed lots of outside help to prop it up.

Sean Astin Lord of the Rings- Return of the King Hugo Weaving

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are gathered here today to get through this thing called 'life'."

"Mother's Little Helper" (The Rolling Stones)

I think it's embarrassing that you're making your case with links that point out the risks of vaccination are minimal compared to risks of refusing vaccination. Courtesy of your own link: On the risks of side-effects to Moderna- "It added: 'The risk of being affected is very small.' "'These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest,' they wrote. " " Heart inflammation is also a symptom of many viral infections like COVID-19, though, and the likelihood of developing the inflammation after infection is much higher than it is after vaccination. " So, the experts didn't say to leave kids unvaccinated. They said "they will be offered the Pfizer-BioNTech immunization instead. " "Norway, another Nordic country, has not taken as drastic action as its neighbors, with health officials urging people under 30 to opt for the Pfizer vaccine instead. " So, the risk is small, and the solution was to give kids a different vaccine. Thank you for posting another article showing that people are a lot safer taking the vaccines than skipping the vaccines.

Courtesy of your very own link: "Fewer than one in a million doses have led to deaths in Australia. Meanwhile, at the time of publication on 2 September, 1012 people had died from COVID in Australia from 56,212 confirmed cases (1.8 per 100)." In plain English, there's always a tiny risk of doing ANYTHING- including staying at home and 'doing nothing.' A SENSIBLE person plays the odds and minimizes risks SENSIBLY. Let's see, get COVID and risk of death is 1.8% in Australia right now. Get the vaccine and the risk of death is BELOW 0.00001% in Australia. Seriously, any look at the odds would tell you to get the vaccine- including your own link!

BTW, Biblically, the idea that it's not "alive" or "a baby" until 9 months in, when he takes his first breath, is off by at least 3 months. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24071-when-is-it-a-person-when-is-it-alive/ "When is it a person? When is it alive?" In the New Testament, vpw hung his "explanation" on a single, mistranslated verse, where Jesus Christ, before his birth, was supposedly called a "holy THING." An honest look shows that this word "thing" was only translated "thing" in that spot, and was a person everywhere else - a "holy one." It's obvious if you check the Greek. It's obvious if you check all the other usages of the same word with a Concordance. It's obvious if you check ALL THE OTHER ENGLISH VERSIONS. Even the NEW KJV doesn't use the word "thing" there. As for what we DO know, in Luke 1, we have a 3rd trimester ( 6 months in development) "BABY" (check the Greek, it's clearly "baby"-but usually "infant" or "young child" in other usages) who has EMOTIONS and responses. It's incredibly rare to see people trying to push this "first breath" doctrine of vpw, and, as we all know, it was remarkably self-serving. To vpw, children were an inconvenience on many levels. First, believers with kids weren't free to move if he told them to move, because they had a responsibility. Second, kids cost money, and vpw wanted all that money to come to him (indirectly to him via twi, from which he could raid the slush fund if it couldn't be untraceable cash in his hand- which it often WAS!) So, just like in his own life where he passed off raising children AND dogs for others to do the work, vpw didn't want twi'ers to have kids, especially if they weren't good little robots.

Someone brought up this subject...

It doesn't even show an understanding of what the things are for- which is MAKING OTHER PEOPLE SAFE.

Then that's two of you. The original purpose is still being discussed, and there's more being compared and contrasted at the same time. Threads take on a life of their own, and that's hardly news.

Few of us are so thick that we can't see that these were unacceptable and mean-spirited, and unhealthy.

Did one of my posts get eaten yesterday? What twi did was to have people who were lock-step with them until one day they disagreed- then twi immediately went in to hatchet jobs, slandering their reputations, screaming about them, and trying to ruin their lives while ostracizing them. If twi was to be believed, those people were model twi'ers until the day they left- when they suddenly became villains of the deepest dye who must be avoided at all costs. (That's more or less what the other post said.)

Your original post- and the thread- was posted/begin right now SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE of one person. Please don't pretend it was an amazing coincidence. We've been discussing the difference between what twi did and what we consider appropriate for the entire length of the thread. It's not "all about" JAL any more than it's "all about" twi's former practices of the hatchet job at the microphone.

Ah, but a DIFFERENT thread is a memorial. I was going to leave that thread completely alone. I had no PERSONAL dealings with JAL, and thus no memories to share. I also wasn't going to make a new thread JUST to call out dangerous teachings. However, since this one was started, I consider it fair game. :) It's one thing to go out of your way to do a character-assassination on someone. Somebody leaves twi, and immediately the spin doctors grab the microphone and begin a smear campaign with vague connections to reality. The person was a model Christian up until the moment before they left twi, NOW they're scum! It's another to point out that someone-who made himself a PUBLIC FIGURE and worked hard to do so- has disseminated dangerous misinformation to the public. For this post, Í'm going to skip the dangerous "Momentus" push he did where people were hurt, and the dangerous "personal prophecy" movement that ruined lives and wrecked marriages. I'm JUST going to go by the video that was linked, and what he said about the global pandemic, during its height. Only going by this one video.... A) He said masks are useless against COVID. That's false. That was known `100 years ago with the "Spanish Flu" and it's true now as well. He said all the authorities speaking up were wrong and that if you listened to the "right sources", you'd know that. No mention of WHO those right sources were, can't fact-check if he's correct, of course. At that level, he's floating a rumor. B) He said COVID was no worse than a flu. Outside the US, this isn't a political thing in many countries- it's acknowledged this is a worldwide killer. Again, no sources for his outrageous claim. C) Claim the CDC said many of the cases (he said "MOST") of the cases were due to comorbidities, so that meant that COVID wasn't to blame there. That shows an ignorance of basic epidemiology. With an "opportunistic infection", something occupies and wears down the immune system, and something else- which normally wouldn't be dangerous- gets in and does a lot of harm or kills someone. So, if there was no COVID, the "co-morbidity" would not have been a significant issue. So, his own words there, for those with a layman's grasp of medicine, show he doesn't understand what he's passing along. He may believe it, but that doesn't make it true, and it doesn't make it harmless. D) He said it's worse to wear the masks than to risk catching COVID. E) He said the isolation protocols have been keeping people from attending church. He hasn't gotten around that much. Virtual church-going got REALLY popular during 2020. F) He said "most" vaccines- with COVID the context- are "HARMFUL", No medical authority has embraced this, and they keep refuting this. All the medical experts rushed out to get vaccinated as soon as was possible. In fact, many people who got on the media and claimed there may have been problems with the vaccines were all quick to get vaccinated. Again, no source, just another rumor he floated. G) He said the US death rate for COVID was 0.0 something death rate. He said he doesn't "worry about it at all", and repeated that the masks were useless, and tells nurses not to bother with them. He mentioned "the true science" with no mention of where one can look it up. So, hidden (OCCULTED) knowledge where he refuses to cite his sources. All of that, if followed, runs between "highly-suspect" (hidden sources) and potentially fatal (skipping the vaccines.) In a lot of the world, this isn't about politics, it's about PUBLIC HEALTH and bipartisan support for measures were common. In countries where this was a political football, the body counts for COVID shot up (like Brazil.) Comedian Gabriel Iglesias is in poor health. He's morbidly obese, has diabetes, and other health problems. He caught the Delta variant of COVID, and took 1 day of bed-rest. He was fine afterwards- because he got BOTH vaccination doses. If one follows JAL's counsel on COVID, one runs the risk of getting the disease, and possibly dying, or possibly passing it along to other family members and friends. Places where vaccination has been up are often maintaining social distancing and mask-wearing, and otherwise are returning to normal- as much as one can while doing both. The places where the highest rates of people getting COVID and dying of COVID correlate directly to places where people remain unvaccinnated. That's a problem for 3rd world countries that can't get vaccines, and that's a problem in the US in counties where people say their personal freedoms are being infringed upon. I agree with what Arnold Schwarzenegger said on this. Your personal freedoms have responsibilities. JAL had the courage of his convictions, and practiced what he preached- which, apparently, led directly to his death. At least he was CONSISTENT. If this post ends up getting chopped up by staff, I'm sorry. I tried to stick to the medical facts and as clear of politics as I could manage.

That's it. Eric Clapton and BB King were members of the "Louisiana Gator Boys" band at the battle of the bands at the end. John Popper of "Blues Traveler" sounded like he was playing himself, and wanted Elwood to hear his band. The "Blues" in "Blues Traveler" came from an imitation of the Blues Brothers that John Popper and his brother did once. (The "Traveler" part came from "Gozer the Traveler" in the first "Ghostbusters" movie, aka "Gozer the Gozerian." )

Paul Shaffer Dan Ackroyd John Goodman John Popper Eric Clapton BB King

Ok, taking a swing here.... "CHARMED." I used to watch it on SyFy when it was a new show. The original show is in syndication here on SyFy. I'm thinking the new show is being handled by the same network as the original was when it was a new show- which would make the new "Charmed" a SyFy show.

Out of those, possibly 2 of them are airing here. We also don't have consistency with the US guaranteed. When "Supergirl" started here, it started on "Warner" and joined "Flash" and "Gotham." For that matter, it's possible NONE of the new shows are airing here, and I'm thinking only of the original versions re-airing here now.

Got a movie where the other 2 both appeared?

Care to post the answer, George?

Keep in mind that not a lot of us will have that in the first place. I don't have music of the people I liked back in twi because they made music on tape back then. Few have made CDs and digital formats available. The people most likely to have converted them to digital, i think, tend to be more in the "how dare you suggest vpw wasn't a fantastic human being" camp. They're more likely to have felt the need to have either that or have no music at all, so they would have arranged conversions some time ago. All of that's my thinking, though, so I might be wrong.

Paul Schaefer Dan Ackroyd John Goodman

That's him. Oliver Putnam is a role he's playing now, in "Only Murders in the Building." His character is one of two who are elderly fans of mystery solving. They're going to try to solve murders. Since they're not up to the rigors of investigation, they're only going to solve murders that happen in their own apartment building. (I SWEAR I'm not making that up.)

OK, next round. This was a rather famous TV show. There were also movies and books as well as the show. The main character was very obviously female. It seems traditional, by now, to have a male actor performing the role- as far as I can determine, in every single appearance on TV and in movies, that's been the case. BTW, they originally cast an actress, but she refused to shoot a potentially-dangerous shot involving swimming in water from a REAL flood while they filmed on-location. The actor not only nailed the scene in the first take, he did it so convincingly that the director got tears in his eyes. He built a reputation for filming in one take and doing all his own stunts. All of this predated the TV show, but the same actor went on to play "her" in the show. What was this TV show's name?