WordWolf

He said, even while the GSC allowed him to disagree and still post. The GSC forum is not to be compared with twi- and you just proved THAT.

I'm familiar with the saying, and it's been said that when New York sneezes, the rest of the world has a cold. As a former NY' er and an expatriate, I'm used to trying to keep a sense of what's going on in the US and in NYC. (It would be easier if US radio stations didn't all have contracts that block their reception outside the US, since I could listen to local news radio.) I've got an international family, and my son is able to carry 3 different passports (one for North America, one for South America, one for Europe), so we do try to keep a sense of what's going on around the world. (During the World Cup, we DO cheer for 3 different countries, except when they play each other, then we watch on 2 different TVs.) During the Covid lockdowns, we were following, to the best of our abilities, what was going on around the world. We were also forming our own opinions on what was being reported. (I still think Brazil's Bolsonaro was counting on Covid wiping out huge swathes of the population from the favelas/ghettos, and Mrs Wolf points out he might have succeeded if the local drug-lords of those favelas hadn't gone into action to keep their customer base alive with gifts of cleaning supplies and food.) All of that being said, I have family and friends in different parts of the US. Even taking that into consideration, I think Allan's focusing a LOT more on the US than I am.

Nostalgia...... I'm reminded of a song that spoke of nostalgia, a desire to return to the town where someone grew up, only years later, after everything had changed. This is a translation, so the lyrics don't rhyme in English. ===================================================================== "I sing this zamba to my distant land, warm little town of our interior. Burning land that inspires my love, clay-ey, parched, with a burning sun. Remembering that burning land, my voice echoes, 'How hot!' I do remember you, my pretty little town, with your damp and dense air by daylight. Warm moonlights from a fantasy, full of magic, of an infinite singing, and the singing of your fresh little stream- except in the ten months of drought. My beloved town has always been very calm, except that time the hurricane passed by. Old lands, how far away you are. My dear land, my sweet village. I'm afraid you have changed since the lasted volcanic eruption. Land that, until yesterday, sheltered my childhood, I always remember you with my heart. Even if that sweet little stream today is a boiling torrent of lava that fortunately, sometimes quenches at the arrival of the time of flooding. The hungry wolves shake while howling, when bitten by fierce mosquitoes. It's impossible to sleep because of the cries of thousands of vultures that darken the sky. Sooner or later, an earthquake will appear, and at sunset, it rains meteors. If I could only go back to my little town, my old town to which I've never returned, if I could only go back there, to the town that always calls me, that always waits for me, if I could go back to that town....I wouldn't even do it if I was drunk!" ===================================== I think that song sums up how a lot of people feel about returning to twi for the NOSTALGIA.

I really can't say enough about people who can't tell the difference between 2 posters who espouse diametrically-opposed positions and live in different countries.

Allan: "WW - 'virtually no-one' 16 or under gets seriously ill or dies from covid is what I said NOT 'absolutely no-one' and what you subsequently posted per link backs that up ! " WordWolf responds: It's time to give up when the only way one can win a point is by making up things somebody never said, then making fun of them for saying it. I ran down why kids aren't dying from Covid in the few cases that DO get it- their death rate is tiny, although ANY deaths are unfortunate. The point you've been REFUTED on was your claim that your POSTED source said NO kids were " GETTING SERIOUSLY ILL" (your words.) Reputable sources around the world have acknowledged that a low rate of infection of kids doesn't mean NO kids are seriously ill of Covid- and that's prompted rushes to vaccinate- to flatten new waves of infection, small though those waves are. Some kids end up in ICU's around the world over Covid- because they're getting seriously ill. I'm glad they're getting treatment and that's keeping their death numbers down. Allan: "You then went on to post that " the few news readers that gave lip service to covid being a gray area were the first to rush out and get vaxxed." Joe Rogan is one that didn't that springs to mind so did you mean virtually all or absolutely all of the few ??:)" WordWolf responds: For the benefit of anyone actually reading my posts, here's what I wrote: "Personally, I find it interesting that the few TV news personalities in the US who ever claim there's any gray area here were all among the first people to run and get their vaccinations. Anyone on TV news as a staffer has gotten at least 2 shots, including anyone who gives lip service to the idea that the vaccinations are useless/harmful/whatever." Now, Joe Rogan is a comedian and a podcaster. The difference between being "on TV news as a staffer" or a "TV news personality in the US" and some podcaster should be OBVIOUS. However, I'll spell it out for those struggling with English. See, in the US, there's television. Some of the television is news programs. There's a studio, and serious news gets discussed. People show up in suits and begin reading "Our top story tonight is..." and so on. To be a "staffer" on TV news is to work on the staff of one or more television news programs. To be a "TV news personality" is to be a regular person featured ON television news programs. As for podcasters, anybody could make a podcast from their living room. Only someone who can't tell the difference between sourced, credible news and podcasts would confuse one for the other- and that says a lot about someone. Oh, and Joe Rogan previously being a UFC fight commentator" doesn't make him a "TV NEWS personality", either. That's not "TV NEWS."

Now, then. Does Covid pose any significant risk to the average teenager? The UK concluded it was. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/teenagers-sick-covid-vaccines-extension-b1900646.html "Officials extended the UK’s vaccine programme to children aged 16 and 17 after a number of teenagers fell “seriously ill” with Covid, it has emerged." https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/older-teenagers-seriously-ill-covid-21281028 "The number of 16 and 17-year-olds becoming “seriously ill” with coronavirus informed the extension of the vaccination rollout to that age group, a member of the committee advising on jabs said. Professor Adam Finn, who sits on the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) and is a professor of paediatrics at the University of Bristol, said there had been “a couple” of 17-year-olds in that area who needed intensive care in hospital in recent weeks." "He added: “Most young people who get this virus get it mildly or even without any symptoms at all. “But we are seeing cases in hospital even into this age group – we’ve had a couple of 17-year-olds here in Bristol admitted and needing intensive care over the course of the last four to six weeks – and so we are beginning to see a small number of serious cases." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/health/coronavirus-teenagers-hospitalizations.html "Teens Are Rarely Hospitalized With Covid, but Cases Can Be Severe Adolescents were hospitalized with Covid three times as often as with flu, researchers reported. Nearly one-third wound up in I.C.U.s." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/covid-19-poses-severe-risk-unvaccinated-teens-cdc/story?id=78084484 "While most coronavirus hospitalizations occur in adults, the coronavirus still poses the threat of severe disease to teens, according to a new study issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Nearly a third of teens ages 12-17 hospitalized with COVID-19 ended up in the intensive care unit, with 5% ultimately being placed on ventilators." "Most of the teens who were hospitalized with COVID-19, approximately 70%, had at least one underlying medical condition, while 30% of teens with no underlying medical conditions were still hospitalized. " What's the SENSIBLE takeaway from all this? Kids are still in the smallest risk category. SMALLEST RISK is not synonymous with "NOT AT RISK." Kids with some pre-existing condition were particularly in danger, but those with NO pre-existing condition could easily end up in an ICU, and even requiring use of a VENTILATOR. Are they dying? The odds are greatly against them dying- mainly because there's diligence in getting them on respirators in the worst cases. If not, they would be at serious risk of dying. Just going around with no plans to vaccinate them is a gamble, and refusing to get them medical attention if they showed symptoms would run the risk of them not getting a respirator when needed- which would be the end of them. Again, nobody has claimed the kids are not the smallest risk category. However, simply ignoring that there is still A risk is dangerous. All the medical authorities in different countries are agreeing that vaccinating the kids greatly reduces the risk of them getting sick enough to need a ventilator. That having been said, it's still possible to ignore all the medical experts, it's still possible to ignore all the disease experts, it's still possible to ignore all the infection experts. It's plainly obvious when someone is doing that, however. Personally, I find it interesting that the few TV news personalities in the US who ever claim there's any gray area here were all among the first people to run and get their vaccinations. Anyone on TV news as a staffer has gotten at least 2 shots, including anyone who gives lip service to the idea that the vaccinations are useless/harmful/whatever.

Allan: "as for WW (unless you're both and the same) semantics.....under 16's dying from covid versus seriously ill....I can post plenty of reports showing HEALTHY teenagers in 99.999% of cases are asymptomatic or mildly affected at worst..." WordWolf replies: You said the link you posted said that the number of teenagers who died OR GOT SERIOUSLY ILL was zero. The link had a chart specifically marking DEATHS and NO information on the number of ill, neither SERIOUSLY nor MILDLY. Then you insulted Waysider for allegedly disputing that site's data, which allegedly included stats on sick as well as dead. According to you, you ALREADY posted a link saying healthy teenagers had not gotten SERIOUSLY ill in Australia. I can read and understand your posts. I can read and understand your linked material. I don't think that appears true of everyone.

The articles may have had "facts", but those "facts" neither addressed your claims nor supported them. Nobody claimed the "statistics" were wrong. You seem not to have understood what they meant. This wasn't " false information", just " poor reading comprehension." Rather than labeling the moderators, you might actually read the articles you linked.

Allan: " Also, virtually NO cases of healthy kids under 16 dying or even getting seriously ill from Covid." https://www.statista.com/statistics/1245896/australia-number-of-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-group-and-gender/ Allan: "So here are two reports showing that what I have said IS fact. What may I ask did you base your reply to me on ? Or was it the general 'knee jerk reaction' of those who have succumbed to mainstream media madness ?" WordWolf replies: In the first link, nothing had anything to do with COVID whatsoever, and you got a warning about that. In the second link, the chart CLEARLY says it's charting the number of DEATHS. Absolutely nothing supported your claim that no healthy kids under 16 were "EVEN GETTING SERIOUSLY ILL." So, you have no reports showing what you said was "fact". If you'd read your own links and understood them, you'd have known that. I can't tell if you just linked and didn't even read them, or if someone claimed they did that and you just believed their claim and went on to condemn "knee jerk reactions" with no sense of hypocrisy. Now, the claim that no healthy kids died of COVID, if true, should not be a shocker. We all knew they were the lowest-risk group in general, and I told my kid the worst thing that COULD happen to him, if he caught it, would probably be him getting very sick and then recovering. (This meant his bigger concern was catching COVID and passing it to a grandparent.)

*reads* That was written in January. A lot of information has passed since then- especially the variants. Those who got Covid should still get at least one vaccination both for producing more antibodies and producing them in a larger variety. This should be obvious to anyone who gets their annual flu vaccine. Old flu vaccines will still be PARTLY effective, but the CURRENT flu vaccine is designed for the CURRENT strain going around. BTW, those of you taking enormous Vitamin D supplements should consider scaling back a bit. If the general concept of "moderation" doesn't move you, then consider the medical experts reminding you that there's a limit to how much of a good thing you can have- to be specific, how much Vitamin D is too much. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/taking-too-much-vitamin-d-can-cloud-its-benefits-and-create-health-risks Harvard, "Unless your doctor recommends it, avoid taking more than 4,000 IU per day, which is considered the safe upper limit. " https://www.livescience.com/59550-high-dose-vitamin-d.html Livescience, " For vitamin D, the tolerable upper limit for people of all ages is 4,000 IU a day." https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-much-vitamin-d-is-too-much#TOC_TITLE_HDR_4 Healthline," According to the Institute of Medicine, 4000 IU is the safe upper level of daily vitamin D intake. " For those skimming those articles and not even pretending to read them, I'd like to point out that blood toxicity levels of Vitamin D isn't the most likely problem- unless taking doses even higher than we've discussed. Organ damage can occur at levels higher than 4000 IU/day. No, I'm not interested in seeing any of you get hurt like that.

"There is nothing more elusive than an obvious fact." "Whatever he was working on, he obviously succeeded." "How do you know?" "Otherwise, he'd still be alive." "Well, I may not have a choice, hm? After all, I may be paying the rent on my own, soon. Thanks to you." "Get that out of my face." "It's not in your face, it's in my hand." "Get what's in your hand out of my face." "More importantly, let's see what he was trying to dispose of."

"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2." It's a memorable exchange towards the end of the series. When I first heard it, I was reminded of a completely unrelated quote. In DC Comics, they sometimes printed stories that were out-of-continuity, and announced at the beginning that it was an "imaginary story, which may never take place." So, in response to a question as to whether a certain story was in canon - "Is this an imaginary story?" Elliot S! Maggin (I think it was him) said "Of course it's an imaginary story. Aren't they all?"

"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2." It's a memorable exchange towards the end of the series. When I first heard it, I was reminded of a completely unrelated quote. In DC Comics, they sometimes printed stories that were out-of-continuity, and announced at the beginning that it was an "imaginary story, which may never take place." So, in response to a question as to whether a certain story was in canon - "Is this an imaginary story?" Elliot S! Maggin (I think it was him) said "Of course it's an imaginary story. Aren't they all?"

That's it.

"He played it left hand. But made it too far. Became the special man." "Like a leper messiah. When the kids had killed a man I had to break up the band."

Mystery Men Anchorman-Story of Ron Burgundy Tropic Thunder

the Dark Knight Gary Oldman Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

"He played it left hand. But made it too far. Became the special man."

Was JOAN CUSACK in all those movies? I'm having trouble picturing any other woman from "Addams Family Values" showing up in the other movies.

Rachel Weisz The Mummy Brendan Fraser

Danny Aiello was one person who covered "Chubby Clementine." Until now, I hadn't realized it used the same tune as "My Darling Clementine."

The office in Payne, Ohio is supposedly where he kept considering whether to quit as a minister in his first 2 years of that career. It's supposedly where he told God that he'd quit if he didn't have some definite answers he could rely on. Supposedly, that's when he got the 1942 promise (which, obviously, was a lie because it failed on many levels.) Either the next day or the next instant (his accounts varied) he asked God to confirm this with the snow. Supposedly, the view out the window was completely blocked by snow, either completely black or completely white (his accounts varied.) As for SIT, all of his accounts trace that to the convention where he claimed the other snow job, and JE Stiles working with him for hours (like one does with a remedial student as opposed to someone exceptional who may need a few minutes.)

I'm just curious- does anyone else wonder if the twi cadre is so clueless, so out-of-touch with reality that they think their escapees are just waiting for an excuse to come running back to twi?

It's funny how nobody wants to mention the GSC, but everybody reads it and know everybody else reads it. -JAL advertised to us and commented to us, but refused to mention us BY NAME or to officially tell his people to post his correspondence to here. Also, when he deleted his letters to twi from his website, we reprinted them here. They reappeared on his website shortly thereafter. -When twi announced they were kicking Mrs Wierwille out of her home and putting her in a nursing home, the announcement arrived here and the outrage began. twi INSISTED their reply be allowed to be posted here. -Rosa-lie has had a staffer print out threads from here for her to read as hard-copies, which is rather inefficient. -When Bob wrote about "what's wrong with twi?", the answers could have come straight from GSC posts- and all or some of them almost certainly did so.

C) The alleged promise was based on ignorance. twi's system shares a trait with some of the extwi systems- they're Gnostic systems based on secret knowledge. The twi system-which was vpw's system, set up by him and used by him all the time- was that study of the verses was the key to God (plus the "Law of Believing"),. So, the more you study the verses, the more "godly" you can become, especially if you study it the twi way. We've all seen far too many horror stories of twi "masters" who partly memorized vpw/twi materials and were bigger schmucks if anything. Geer spent hours going over vpw's teachings in between drugging women for vpw to rape and preparing to throw himself over vpw as a human shield if anyone tried to shoot him. But, let's expose the IGNORANCE in the alleged "promise." How DID the 1st century Christian church know God's Word? They knew the Torah/Old Testament. They knew the SPOKEN word, They knew The Word BY EXPERIENCE AND POWER. Think about it. They were getting converts left and right while being a disciple was ILLEGAL and punished by imprisonment, murder, or both. They got LOTS of converts with that going on. No amount of charismatic demagoguery can make up for the risk of being killed or imprisoned. You might get a few disaffected outsiders. Saul of Tarsus joined them - a former persecutor and murderer of Christians (he didn't put his hand on the knife, but he ordered it done.) Did the Greeks hear good speeches then run out and conclude that their gods walked among them and prepared to offer blood sacrifices? They SAW something. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. However, provide the extraordinary proof, and the claims stop looking extraordinary-at least in comparison to the proof. The 1st century Christians preached-but were known because they had power and could deliver where they spoke. Lots of people preached and didn't get significant converts. Theirs was a pragmatic, direct, power-based ministry. twi was never that. They were study-based, and TALKED ABOUT power lots of times, then considered "Kojacking" a significant witness of "power." 1st century Christians were never centrally-controlled nor organized. twi bore no resemblance to 1st century Christianity except where twi CLAIMED they did. But all the claims don't mean reality matches a claim. The 1st century Christians probably didn't have access to the entire New Testament ANYWHERE. All documents had to be hand-copied. With no printing press and no scanners and PDFs, that was a laborious process and few copies circulated for the 1st century AD (certainly relative to now.) So, twi has NEVER had "The Word as it was known in the 1st Century." because vpw NEVER had "The Word as it was known in the 1st Century." vpw might have known that when he phrased the promise he was supposedly given, but he skipped over "Church history". So, he was likely to make such a mistake where God Almighty would not. vpw made up the alleged 1942 promise. and it's easy to show all the errors. There was no such promise. There's no real, sensible reason to laud vpw or "his" books. They don't comprise "revelation."