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Mike, for someone who tries so hard to convince us he understands pfal better than everyone else, for someone who claims that none of us understood pfal like we were supposed to...... surely you could avoid such an elementary mistake as to get "to whom" wrong. As you quoted, this was specifically for country coordinators, you said so TWICE. So it is addressed to whom? To the country coordinators. What about the "every born-again believer"? Well, any pfal grad should be able to explain that part, also. According to vpw himself, if there's a letter addressed specifically to me, there might be something you can learn from it as well, even though it wasn't addressed to you. According to vpw, that's how he explained "for our learning." [BTW, he was wrong, once again, on something there, but for someone who insists pfal is inerrant, that's not the point.] This was a closed meeting for the country coordinators, as I'm sure everyone else can see.

You believe incorrectly.

The thing Mike just can't get is that nobody CARES what vpw's final words were to insiders and the rank-and-file were. As for the commercial, it doesn't matter who it was aimed at, it was still a commercial. BTW, Mike's awfully ungrateful. If this really is THAT important, Mike should be THANKFUL I pulled it up and posted it. Why does Mike like to keep these things mentioned but never actually posted? Is it because the reality is inferior to the imagined value, and that's hidden as long as the original is hidden?

WordWolf: "Sometimes, Mike (and only Mike) insists this particular teaching has some amazing significance, because he says it's the last public teaching vpw did before he died, and, as such, is singularly important. ... Mike insists this was vpw's last public teaching (there's reason to dispute that), and that it's important (and most of us don't take that seriously at all.)" Mike: "WordWolf, you hinted a few times that you have information that this was NOT his last teaching ????" You quoted me above, and STILL managed to get it wrong. You removed a word. When you remove a word from the word of WordWolf, you no longer have the word of WordWolf. Last PUBLIC teaching. Others pointed out that the last PUBLIC teaching he did was on "The Hope." ======================================= Mike: "The significance of this being last is simple: it has VPW's most important message to us. Twice he taught us that he would want his last words to us to be his most important. Those notices are in the Green Book and in Living Victoriously. I have posted both texts here several times. */*/*/*/*/*/* ANOTHER point you missed, WW, is that this is addressed to TOP leadership." ========================================== Mike, you just proved their point. This was NOT addressed to the public, by your admission. It was "addressed to TOP leadership." How you can say that and contradict it in the preceding paragraph is really more of a Mike thing.

In case that's not official, "The Sound of Silence", by Art Garfunkel and Paul Simon. Next song. "Nobody knows what it's like to be the bad man"

I was posting the sound of silence.

He did, so we're looking for who Ringo REPLACED.

"Good teacher, he really seems to care....about WHAT, I have no idea."

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BTW, anyone who wants a quick summary of the main points of that entire transcript, it's simple. I said it before: "Serving people is important for Christians. Therefore, master all three levels of PFAL and serve them that. There are no answers outside the Way Ministry." (The end,) My initial response to it was that this was the closing remarks of a man with an overinflated sense of his organization, and an underinflated sense of all Christians outside that organization. "The Joy of Serving" was a commercial for pfal. "You have to serve people something-so serve them the 3 levels of the class, and outside of twi, there's no real answers for people. (The End.)" Since it was hard to find, I thought I'd repost it. Mike insists this was vpw's last public teaching (there's reason to dispute that), and that it's important (and most of us don't take that seriously at all.) It was called "The Joy of Serving."

Sometimes, Mike (and only Mike) insists this particular teaching has some amazing significance, because he says it's the last public teaching vpw did before he died, and, as such, is singularly important. I say that it's a teaching-long advertisement for pfal, and is interesting to show that vpw's frame of mind at his alleged last public teaching was the same as for the decade before- get out there and sell my class! ============================================================= Since it was hard to find, I thought I'd repost it. Mike insists this was vpw's last public teaching (there's reason to dispute that), and that it's important (and most of us don't take that seriously at all.) It was called "The Joy of Serving." Here's the transcript of "The Joy of Serving", aka "The Joy of Serving Transcript." (Yes, it took me a while to find it, so I'm reposting it off of "OK, Once and For All", page 7, from dmiller.) ====================================================================== The Joy of Serving Transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Joy of Serving" Dr. V.P. Wierwille May 12, 1985 [song ends "I Am Resolved"]". . . will come to thee." Thank-ya very much. Please be seated. Well it's wonderful seeing you all again on a Sunday night. Really I appreciate your coming in from all over the area -- and I'm sure that Reverend Chris Geer and everybody else does. Most of you know, at least the Corps knows, that Chris and Barbara were my aids for about five years. So, through the years we have been very closely knit together. And, real thankful for their ministry and their dedication. Phil it's [Phylis?] good to see you. (laughter) You got married on me. 's nice. (laughter) Got anything to show for it? (heavy laughter) [pause] Mrs. Wierwille and I will be returning to the s-- United States tomorrow. And so I just wanna, again, thank Chris and Barbara and all the -- st- Corps here and staff and everybody, for -- the exquisite way they took care of us. And how blessed I been just ta be in their presence. [Article from The Way Magazine begins near here.] Since this is the meeting here at this time of country coordinators -- and of course, what I'm going to say should be applicable to every born again believer, but especially to -- our coordinators. I wanted to just share a little bit tonight on the joy of serving. The joy of serving. Number one, you can't serve unless you've got something to serve. So if you are going to serve a dinner, you have to have a dinner to serve, right? Good. If you master the foundational class on Power for Abundant Living, and the intermediate class plus the collateral readings that accompany them, you have really something wonderful to serve people -- with. That twig and twig area leader, and the country coordinators, leadership of the Corps, of the WOWs, have to all have this joy of serving. If you haven't got the joy of serving you missed something in the Word of God you oughta ah-put on. Heh, heh. So, number one, you gotta have something to serve. Number two is love. In Ephesians, chapter five -- verse one: Be ye therefore followers [imitators] of God, as [beloved, or] dear children; Number two: And walk in love, as Christ also [loved you, is the text], and [gave up] himself for [you] an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour. I'll bet most of ya thought I was going ta read ya first Corinthians thirteen. (laughter) Wouldn't hurt ya to read it sometime again -- and believe what it says. Ha-ha-ha. Then I want you to look at first John, the epistle of first John. Chapter three -- verse sixteen: Hereby perceive we the love of God [and this word "love" is always agapao, or agape], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. Verse seventeen: But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? Go back to Peter. Flip back a book, first Peter. Chapter two - no, chapter one. Verse twenty two. Seeing ye have purified your souls . . . That's renewed mind, 'cause your soul is not purified when you're born again. It becomes purified as you renew your mind -- according to the Word. purified your souls in obeying the truth [there it is,] through the Spirit unto unfeigned ["unfeigned" is genuine] love of the brethren, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently: So first, in the joy of serving, you've gotta have something that's joyfully to be served, heh heh, secondly love, and then thirdly service. That's the joy and the order of it. I'll give you the four basic scriptural things relative to service as I know it from the greatness of the Word. Not gonna read these, just going give 'em to ya. I'm gonna read one of 'em with ya. Luke twenty, twenty-two and following; Luke twenty-three, sixteen and following; John thirteen, one and following. [ Luke 20:22ff, Luke 23:16ff, John 13:1ff ] But the one I want to read with you is from the Gospel of Mark. Mark, chapter ten. Verse thirty-five: And James and John [two of the apostles], Sons of Zebedee, [came] unto him [unto Jesus], saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire. (heh, heh, heh) Sounds sort of selfish, doesn't it? (heh, heh) And [Jesus] said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you? They said unto him, Grant us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. [And] Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can you drink of the cup that I drink of ? baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? It's referring to his death. Thirty-nine: And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized with shall ye be baptized: But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared. Verse forty-one: And when the ten heard it, they began to be much displeased with James and John. [And] Jesus called them to him [all twelve], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. See the world is just opposite of the teaching of the Scriptures. They exercise lordship over them; and then the great -eh - when he gets higher up on the ladder, then he exercises authority over the top of them too. That's why, so many times, we have heard that money is power. Because money buys people, and then people become the slaves of those who have the money. That's the world. Verse forty-three: But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, [shall be minister -- be your minister -- means minister to you]. See, every twig coordinator ought to know what's happening in his twig, among his people. He ought to know his people very well so he can minister to them. You can't help somebody if you don't know there's a need there. So a twig coordinator really has to get close to his people -- to know. And people are usually hesitant to really tell ya what they need until -- you have earned their respect. And you earn people's respect by serving them the Word of God and loving them -- and then learning to keep your mouth shut. You just -- you just never tell anything; you just help people. Forgot which verse I was -- forty-three: But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: Verse forty-four: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest [the greatest, the toppest], shall be [doulos of all] servant of all. Not just minister but a servant of all, a doulos, -- marked out for just serving people. For even [verse forty-five] the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many And after all of my years, and our years of working with people, I think the joy of service is exactly, in a synopsis form, what I've given you tonight. Number one, you have to take PFAL and master it -- Intermediate, you gotta master it; the collateral's that go with it, you gotta master. Then you've got something to serve people. And then you have to do it with the love of God in the renewed mind, -- agapao. Then your service is just not a ministering service, it is a doulos service, where you are a marked-out slave for serving. And I think this is what has made The Way Ministry so wonderful all over the world, generally speaking, is that we have a lot of the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation among our people and that we are serving our people. So every Twig coordinator, Twig Area, Country, anybody that blesses people, like anybody, even if you are not a Twig coordinator, you ought to master this so you can help somebody in the shop or factory; or wherever you are, so that you got answers for them. Outside of this ministry, people, I've seen very few answers. If we knew where there were more, we'd go get 'em! (laughter) That's right. Heh, heh. I think later on tonight you're gonna hear this old church hymn: O Master, let me walk with Thee In lowly paths of service free; Teach me the wayward feet to stay, And guide them in the homeward way. Teach me Thy patience! still with Thee In closer, dearer company, In work that keeps faith sweet and strong, In trust that triumphs over wrong; In hope that sends a shining ray, Far down the future's broad'ning way, In peace that only Thou canst give, With Thee, O Master, let me live. [The Way Magazine Article ends here.] That was my confirmation verse. Heh, heh -- hymn rather, not verse, hymn. Revelation three-twenty was the verse. Well, way back in March 17th this year we officially opened and dedicated the Word Over The World Auditorium at International Headquarters, that I'm sure a lot of your love and blessing's involved in. And since the opening, we have been making available the Sunday Night teaching fellowships -- Teaching Service, on video tape, as well as audio. But because of the differences in formats used in the United States and used here, most of you have not yet had the opportunity to see a video version of the Sunday Night Services. So Reverend Geer and I discussed this yesterday and felt that you'd be blessed tonight to see the Word Over The World Auditorium and a Sunday Night Service. So, Reverend Geer, you do what you have to do. [Tape ends here]

It's also interesting to see what happened and what did NOT happen. We all know that vpw never went to his congregation and confessed his sins against them. That would have been required after having violated their trust for so many years on so many occasions. Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that vpw SECRETLY repented- that he said NOTHING to the congregation whom he'd owed many explanations and apologies, to say the least, but that he SECRETLY tried to get right with God Almighty. If he'd done that SECRETLY, he would have changed his heart- and that means he would have changed his ACTIONS. If the heart changes, the actions proceeding from the heart change. If he'd repented SECRETLY, there would have been comments in public teachings about seeking forgiveness from God, on repenting of sins, on stopping wrong actions and replacing them with right actions, and there would have been lots of discussions with him on-grounds here and there about that sort of thing, about how God forgives us and how we should ALL seek God's forgiveness about sins we've committed, about how we should ALL repent and go to God SECRETLY. All of that would have been happening ALL THE TIME. There would be comments in ALL the sermons, and slipping out in most or all of the conversations. If he'd actually repented in his heart, that's what the changes would have been that would have happened in his actions. There was no public repenting, no public discussion of repentance- as if it was a subject much on his mind- no derailing of casual discussions. The notion of repentance hadn't occurred to him until the very end, the final hours - when he actually started obsessing about it. Otherwise, there would have been hundreds of people who heard him say this sort of thing, and there were zero. So, he did not repent in his heart and change his heart- since that would have meant his actions would have changed, and we could have observed THAT very easily. According to Mike, what was vpw talking about in his final months and weeks? Supposedly, his last public teaching was "the Joy of Serving"- which was a teaching-long advertisement for pfal. It said that the finest thing to do was to serve, and the finest service was to serve people pfal, so go do it, and how, outside twi, there were almost no answers for people. Running commercials for product is NOT the same as repenting. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/25213-power-for-abundant-living-today™/page/12/#comment-614631

And yet, you reject the testimony of ONE eyewitness, and hold to the conviction that vpw had leveled with God Almighty in his final hours based on the testimony of ZERO eyewitnesses.

A poster here had spoken with someone who interacted a lot with vpw in his final weeks and especially his final hours. They passed along how, in the final few hours, vpw searched his memory actively, looking to find SOMETHING he'd done for which God would have disapproved, so that he could identify it, try to address it, and get his healing. He was convinced that he could be completely healed if only he could identify ANYTHING he'd done which would have displeased God. Either the man was acting through the last few hours of his life, or he really couldn't find any wrongdoing in his own life. If he was acting then, he was a fraud even through the final hours and minutes of his life. If he was sincere, then he looked back over decades of plagiarism, rape, molestation, drugging women, simony, displaying pornography to young folk (and occasionally minors), embezzling church funds for his own vices of alcohol and tobacco which actually killed him, and then said "I wonder what I could have done that would have displeased God?" Most of us who love God can usually point to something we've done which would have displeased God, and it would be something a LOT less minor, like not donating to the poor, or showing anger once to someone. Then again, this WAS a man of absolutes. When he discovered he had cancer, he claimed he'd previously never had a sick day in his life and had never taken an aspirin ever in his life. I find that very hard to swallow.

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That should be it for about 4 more years. Nobody consulted me about calling US football "football" and the other one "soccer." It makes discussing it across languages even more difficult than it need be. France's nose got pushed worse out of joint because of Mbappe. In the last match, he scored all of their goals in regular time- 2 of them penalty kicks, one of them a regular goal he scored after crashing into Messi and taking possession of the ball. Once it went to a penalty shoot-out, I said France was in trouble, because Mbappe could only give them ONE of the necessary goals. (Not to mention it was impossible to cheat any kick in the shootout, with all eyes on the kicker and goalie, the VAR's cameras covering all possible shenanigans...) I was right. Mbappe went first and scored a goal, then Messi went and scored a goal. After that, Argentina's players kept scoring, and France's generally did not- thus the 4-2 result without the 5th kicker from either team brought out. When the awards were given out, Mbappe looked like he was being dragged out to accept his award. I thought that was ridiculous. His team won the previous World Cup. His team made the finals of this World Cup. His team made it to overtime, and then to the penalty kick shootout. Other than actually winning a second World Cup in a row, that's about the best result one could hope for. France had reason to celebrate making it to the Finals. Well, the problem was what Mbappe said before the World Cup. When asked about the other teams, he mentioned only the European teams as formidable. When someone asked about South America, he dismissed them and said he didn't think much of their players. Now, this came back to bite him for two reasons. One, his team actually lost to a South American team. Two, when he returns to work, he will return to professional play in Europe- alongside lots of South Americans scouted to join the European league because they were better than the Europeans they replaced. (By definition, teams scout the best players, so bringing in players from another continent says something about their quality.) I don't know how they will react- if they will react- but comments like that don't make for harmonious teams. Seriously, badmouth 1/4 of your team and see how much they're willing to work with you. I don't know about the next World Cup, but Argentina had a number of hot players this time around- Messi, Di Maria, Enzo Fernandez, Julian Alvarez, Mac Allister, and Paredes and Montiel surprised quite a few people in the last match, and that's not even counting the goalie (Emiliano Martinez.) Honestly, I can see not cheering for a team when they get the awards, but French fans were BOOING during the awards ceremony. Just cheer for Mbappe and then remain silent or something.

That said a lot. One of the things it said was that vpw was slow in learning what were the most recent copies extant. The average layman, as of 1942, could have learned better than that. (With the internet, we know a lot more than that.) He had the centuries wrong, and the languages wrong. "Aramaic primacy" has gone the way of the do-do because older resources have surfaced- in Greek, and older by more than a century. By pinning his hopes on the obscure "Aramaic first" movement, vpw added another layer of "only we have the secret answers"- but only did so at the expense of passing along ERROR to twi. Since this was before the internet, he neither cared nor thought they'd get caught teaching ERROR. Anyone foolish enough to lock their thinking into thinking vpw was correct in both century and language, exposes their deficiencies rather plainly. EVERYBODY knows better by now- at least, those who care and bother to spend more than a few seconds looking things up. Another thing it said was that "WE" can get to "thus saith the LORD" -and outlined the process how WE could get there. It was pretty straightforward. Anyone claiming vpw was the final word on things, that vpw was authoritative on things, who has the nerve to contradict him on the actual things- like how we can get to "thus saith the LORD"- well, hypocrisy is sometimes easy to find.

Ok, I should check the Orange Book myself and see what it says about the verses. Clear enough. Ok, found what I was looking for, in the Orange Book, pages 127-128. The Orange Book, page-127-128 says "In proceeding as a workman, there is basic information which must be kept in mind, the first of which is that no translation or version of the Bible may properly be called the Word of God. The Bible from which I have been quoting is called the King James Version. It is not the King James Translation. If I had a King James translation in my hands, I would have a Bible that is worth a great deal of money as a collector's item. Once a translation has been made from an original text, like the Stephens Text from which the King James was translated, the first copy is called a translation. When scholars begin to rework the translation in any way, it becomes a version. Now, I said that no translation, let alone a version, may properly be called the Word of God. As far as anybody knows, there are no original texts in existence today. The oldest dated Biblical manuscript is from 464 AD and written in Aramaic in Estrangelo script. There are older Aramaic manuscripts written in the Estrangelo script which predate 464 AD, but these are not Biblical texts. What students or scholars refer to as 'originals' really date from 464 AD and later. These manuscripts are not originals--the originals are those which holy men of God wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. At best, we have copies of the originals. When I refer to the Word of God, I do not mean a copy or a translation or a version; I mean that Word of God which was originally given by revelation to holy men. Since we have no originals and the oldest manuscripts that we have date back to the fifth century AD, how can we get back to the authentic prophecy which was given when holy men of God spoke? To get the Word of God out of any translation or out of any version, we have to compare one word with another word and one verse with another verse. We have to study the context of all the verses. If it is the Word of God, then if cannot have a contradiction for God cannot contradict Himself. Error has to be either in the translation or in one's own understanding. When we get back to that original, God-breathed Word- which I am confident we can- then once again we will be able to say with all the authority of the prophets of old, 'Thus saith the Lord'. "

All activity connected to pfal was organized to run at a profit. It wasn't enough that people who stuck around would tithe 10% of their income. It wasn't enough that they would be leaned on to give more- thus the made-up term "abundant sharing". It wasn't enough that they would be leaned on to give everything left over so they had no money for emergencies, saving up for anything, chances to invest (or buy a car or a house with cash since buying either with a lease was being deprecated) - thus the made-up term "plurality giving." Outside of twi/ex-twi circles, has anyone heard of a "church" or supposed religious group that SAYS to give them ALL the money beyond what you absolutely need to live on? I haven't, and I don't think any of you have, either. On top of that, the class itself was priced to pay for whatever books were included RETAIL. Since they were printed in-house, that's running at a profit. Plus, all the locations to run the class were donated by faithful twi'ers, so running an actual class was always done at a profit. Supposedly, the extra money was to cover the actual filming/recording. All of THAT was done in-house, and was covered pretty quickly because hundreds of copies of the films and tapes weren't being churned out, so the rest was all profit. The actual filming of pfal was done to avoid costs, also. vpw rented a small studio, then bought the furniture for the class and had the signs made in-house. As soon as the class was done, vpw returned the furniture for a full refund, saying he wasn't satisfied with it. The truth was, he swindled them out of their rightful money and never planned to keep the furniture past the filming. Now, if that wasn't a warning sign, I don't know what is. For that matter, hq was often run with the idea of getting the cheapest-priced item and making it work, even if that wasted a lot of effort. vpw used to buy used stuff from schools having auctions of old materials and so on, all just to save a few bucks, and this continued long after it would have been smart to invest in new machinery, decent furniture, etc. Only the things vpw handled personally were allowed to be new or good quality. (Unless you count the auditorium named after him, designed to be used for events on-grounds. It was smart to build such a facility, but all the frills were unnecessary.)

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Maybe so, but I got it from "Sir Cedric."

One musician's greatest claim to fame is probably that he's a member of a band he neither played for nor joined. It's not true. He joined the band and played for it, through their days as " Johnny and the Moondogs" and other names before they settled on the name they made famous. Then he was canned shortly before they became famous, replaced by a member of "Rory Storm and the Hurricanes." But, he did indeed play for them in their final name, before he was fired. Which musician was this?

That's it.

Yes. The edelweiss is a symbol of Switzerland. Making a song about national pride for AUSTRIA using the edelweiss means the movie team skimped on their research.