WordWolf

You were out of it, but it was not out of you. You may have had lots of time TO clear your head, but instead you doubled-down on twi. Still plugged in.

If your thinking really led you there, it was flawed. Refusal to even entertain the idea that you MIGHT have been wrong is not helping you. It's also not making your case stronger. The rest of us continue to learn things. You're proud of halting at 1998. You missed a LOT.

BWA-HA-HA! Your entire history here has been "making trouble." Either you did it intentionally, or you had no idea that you were making trouble the entire time- which calls your sanity into question. Whenever any of us tried to engage in regular discussion, even recently, you went into another advertisement or refused to discuss. The only part you SEEM to want to change is you being corrected and refuted all the time. Ok, so, we've understood what happened at twi, and moved on with our lives. You're trying to reconstruct twi hippie-era experiences, complete with cluelessness about the problems (like the deceptions, rapes...) And WE are "living in the past too much." I think you seriously overestimate your credibility on both sides of the divide. Only, we will actually level with you face-to-face. twi will laugh behind your back.

You are "a bit suspicious"??? That's business as usual at twi. That's BEEN business as usual for twi for more than a decade. And you want to pretend that people at the GSC don't know what's going on- but you know....

With few if any exceptions, we'd like to see everyone delivered from the curse of twi. If twi closed up tomorrow, we'd celebrate and roll out the red carpet for the survivors, to help them heal up and help them understand what happened, and help them move on to other places and groups. That you see a conflict of interest here is your problem. The majority of posters here have moved on with their lives without twi. We consider those people "GSC SUCCESS STORIES." We're perfectly happy with 100% of twi survivors ALL moving on with their lives and twi becoming a historical footnote. We aren't getting PAID to oppose twi. It won't be too hard to find other ways to occupy our time. We want twi to change, but we're realistic. All the posturing is just reorganizing the deck chairs at the most. "Partial solutions" are imaginary, and results will be as well. Feel free to spend all your free time on them, if you want.

Part of the problem here was that vpw's pfal was all over the map here. If you took "Living Victoriously", vpw said, in nearly each session, "There is a time for all things, but there is a thing for all times, and that is" and each time he said that, it was a completely different thing. He seemed to have been trying for a laugh rather than actually trying to impart some useful information. It would not surprise me if he was poking fun at his OWN tendency to blow up his own explanations by changing what things meant. I mean, if one understands material and then explains it, the explanations all remain consistent- and anything that follows will fit in with the previous explanations. Only people who don't understand something will end up with explanations that don't connect. Naturally, we then have people follow along to connect unrelated concepts and claim all of it was correct. It's like those people who analyzed the Beatles' songs. So the Beatles then did songs like "I Am the Walrus" and watched people try to make sense out of the senseless. So, in pfal, vpw said that God is Spirit, and that was consistent. But the rest of the sentence changed- "and God can only give that which He is" "and God can only communicate with what He is" and finally we got the chart you mentioned. To those who are paying attention, it's obvious he was improvising and pretending he understood all that at the time. Naturally, there will always be someone who insisted he was right each time, and somehow all of that actually made sense, and the problem is US.

"The Great Outdoors."

Happy New Year, everyone, and may we all be freed of delusions in the coming year!

I'm hoping this isn't considered obscure- the band sure isn't..... "Uno, dos, tres, CATORCE!"

Will Smith Wild Wild West Kenneth Branagh

Well, John Candy passed away in 1994. (I can check that without checking any of his roles.) So, It's unlikely the movie takes place after that (with him in archival footage.) Brent Spiner got famous in the 80s and got roles in the early 1990s. With these as the best-known actors, this can't be a Star Trek film. (Patrick Stewart's better known than the last 2 people he mentioned.) These are the best-known actors in the movie, which is what's stumping me. Any chance this was a remake of "1776"?

Right. He was the screaming teacher that seemed to care a lot. Sally Kellerman and Rodney Dangerfield had some cool moments bantering as well. Your turn.

This isn't difficult to understand.

False dilemma. Somewhere between "lives a clean life totally above reproach" and "he's a cannibal who rapes children" is where we expect most people, including most leaders. It's one thing to say he sins and is "weak", it's another to say he's leveling with people about raping and drugging his congregation, embezzling their money, deceiving them on his sources, committing simony..... It's ridiculous to reduce things to this foolish level, but everyone ELSE can see it easily, and it hardly qualifies as news. This is what happens when one tries to defend vpw and his rapes and druggings, etc.

"All You Need is Love."

Research Geek didn't address the Pike's Peak Seminary "doctorate." The place was unaccredited. That means they have as much authority to issue a "doctorate" as Schlotski's Deli. Princeton Theological Seminary is a real seminary that has no connection to Princeton UNIVERSITY other than both being in Princeton NJ. However, conflating the 2 when discussing vpw is almost de rigeur for some people- lcm did it long before you. AFAIK, vpw had a real Masters, but after that, went to a degree mill for his "doctorate."

Yes, that was Pete Best. I used to hear he was the drummer for the Quarrymen, the pre-Beatles band. However, he really did start for the Beatles, the Silver Beetles, and their other names before that. It sounds like local drummers had a lyrical feel for the music, but didn't keep technical time well, so professionals all thought they were awful. Ringo, on the other hand, had both skills.

Listen to the beginning of this song, then listen to the beginning of "La Marseillaise." The opening notes are the same. IIRC, they share the same 16 notes at the beginning, and diverge at the 17th note.

John Laroquette Stripes John Candy

When George posts lots of famous people, and NOTHING springs to mind, the answer is often "AMAZON WOMEN ON THE MOON." (Is it now? And George, it's your turn on several threads.)

"La Marseillaise"!

Mark Wedloe Roo John Dexter Slinky Lloyd Davis Michael Thorpe Johnny Stransel Billy Taft Robby Fielding Jody Larson Tim Oliver Willie Sharpe Randy Grainger Ralakili Conrad Wilhelm Gordon Eldridge Sgt Rex Spanner

"Good teacher, he really seems to care....about WHAT, I have no idea." "What's your favorite subject?" "Poetry." "Really? Well, maybe you can help me straighten out my Longfellow." "Actually, I'd like to join you, but I have class tonight." "Oh. How 'bout tomorrow night?" "I have class then, too." "I'll tell you what, then. Why don't you call me some time when you have no class?" "Alright. Maybe I will."

To be specific, his name is not "DAVE" anything.