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Craig Has His Own Offshoot Going On
WordWolf replied to Stayed Too Long's topic in Out of the Way: The Offshoots
[One of the problems of the internet is that people can pretend to be someone else that already exists. Some time ago, some anonymous person posted in his name on a twitter account or something and posted general apologies for previous action. I'm not sure why they did this. My opinion- which is a guess- is that, given the situation- someone decided to do that in the hopes someone would feel better after they read that. It was done on an April 1, so there might have been some element of prank in there. However, it seems too serious to be a standard prank. Possibly them or someone else has written a different website, apparently, and that's the site you mentioned. Again, my opinion...this strikes me more as less of an attempt to heal others or some mild prank, and less harmless for that matter. I'd probably just let it go, since any attempts to get the site down will probably be a lot of work and probably will just advertise it a lot. So, let it blow over.] [Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I think his current "teachings" aren't as harmful as you do. I'd be surprised if never-been-way are following his stuff, so that only leaves ex-way. Ex-twi numbers dwindle with the passing of the years, as twi becomes even less relevant than before. Any ex-twi knows what to expect from lcm. Any of them who actually choose to read/listen to his current stuff is not being "mislead." They are choosing to listen to him. These are the kinds of people who spend the rest of their lives shuffling between one ex-twi teacher and another, never interacting with all sorts of other Christians out there. This is a bit sad, but it's their choice. By the time someone's in their 50s or later, they should have figured all of this out. If they haven't, this is probably a deliberate decision. In the long run, this problem is self-correcting. They are aging out of the population (as will lcm himself.) So, every year, this "twi only or ex-twi only" subculture(s) gets smaller and smaller. Either people figure it out and explore the rest of the world (among other Christians or among other people) or they age out and are NOT replaced by people falling for the same snappy patter. None of this erases your hurts, but I hope some perspective might help a little.] [Amazingly, some of us worked out that last sentence in the thread discussing the book "VP and Me." lcm wrote it, and the tone suggested that. I'm not sure who or what he was from childhood. We know he was a Christian in high school and university, and was looking for SOMETHING by the time he was in college. The general bluster sounds picked up from coaches and the like (father-figures for team members in high school and college.) lcm went straight from college to twi, with no time for actual life experience- which seemed to have been a persistent deficiency for him. He was unable to empathize with all the normal folk, but mainly he was an excellent target to "soak up the king's countenance" when he met vpw. He copied vpw's yelling, anger and face-meltings over time- sometimes only because vpw INSISTED. lcm wanted answers, and got vpw. lcm really believed vpw's press, and believed that the twi President's passing thoughts were Divine Revelation- which was how some awful decisions were made. On the other hand, vpw KNEW he himself was a fraud, so he covered his tracks. So, for all the hurt lcm passed along, vpw was a far worse person, partly because he made lcm into the kind of person who did that. lcm sincerely thought he was doing the right thing, even when he was doing wrong. vpw knew he was doing wrong. I really do think lcm could have posted here under a screen-name and interacted with people, and been accepted. (Provided he didn't break the board rules and attack other posters, say.) I posted a thread once, asking for personal recollections of lcm. A number of people said he'd been a decent fellow when he first arrived at twi, and long-term contact with vpw/twi was really what changed that.] -
Well, you should. This is your kind of movie. If you haven't seen it yet, you've missed something. After they've gone through all the trouble of making it, and everything.
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Three Men and a Baby Steve Guttenberg Cocoon
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"Ooh, I fell on my keys! " "About six months... but I'm on probation, so it's all good, baby!" "No, I mean, what do you do best?" "I can't do that here. That's why they put me away, baby! " "He who signs a lease must pay rent. That's the law." "You miserable wretch! How dare you take the last penny out of a poor man's pocket?" "I have to. I'm a landlord." "Oh, Lord, hear my plea; destroy him! He maketh a blight on the land!" "Don't listen to him; he's crazy. " " I am the author. You are the audience. I outrank you!" "We find the defendants incredibly guilty." "And may I humbly add, your Honor, that we've learned our lesson and that we'll never do it again." "DON'T SAY IT! I'm scared that, if I hear it just once more, I'll start getting sick to my stomach and I won't be able to stop." "CONGRATULATIONS!" "Not only is he a liar and a cheat and a scoundrel and a crook, who has taken money from little old ladies, but he's also talked people into doing things, especially me, that they would never in a thousand years have dreamed of doing. But, your Honor, as I understand it, the law was created to protect people from being wronged."
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Ant-Man Michael Douglas Jewel of the Nile
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I can't tell if I'm "living in the area" with no information as to the area. Can we at least get a country, and possibly a region in the country? https://www.christianmusicfestivals.net/ https://www.christianfestivalassociation.com/ Both links seem to have updates on a bunch of US Christian music festivals for 2022. If that's not the right country, we'll need to check elsewhere.
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From the "Cliches, Collaterals and Claptrap" thread..... ============================================ "The surrounding of himself with an armed security detail and a tight entourage was not out of fear as much as it was out of malignant narcissism. My first summer school in 1971, dictor was everybody's pal. He walked around in shorts and overalls and hung out with his keedz. Lots of pizza and beer or burger nights, dances with secular rock and R&B music. There was no dress code other than Sunday nights and corpse nights (Tuesday's back then). Lots of laughter and music in prep for the first ROA. But, by the time of my first year in-Rez, it was already changing. As it turned out, I had an affinity for being hailed into dictor's office over the loudspeakers in the courtyard for personal reproof and correction meetings frequently during my first 4 months in the corpse. The first one, I entered his office smoking a cigarette and sat down without asking permission. OMG!....you'd think the world was ending! Dictor screams at me, "Stand up!". Would you walk into the office of President Nixon smoking a .... cigarette?". I quickly shot back, "I wouldn't wanna be anywhere near old tricky dick's office VP!" I was then ordered at top vein-popping volume, to get the .... outta his sight and never call him "VP" again! Never got around to yelling at me for whatever he called me in for. But, I began to see that malignant narcissistic delusional grandeur of dictor as the man-o-gawd. Comparing himself to Nixon as worthy of the same care, concern, respect and treatment for himself as the most important man on the Earth.....the greatest Apostle since Paul in the first centur, expositor of the great mystery, whose "specialty" was "the holy spirit field" which he co-opted and blatantNtly plagiarized from J.E. Stiles, B.G. Leonard, E.W. Bullinger, Kenyon, Pillai, Lamsa, Glenn Clark, Rufus Mosely, Starr Daily, Oswald Chambers, Rosalind Rinker, F.F. Bruce, Charles Welch, to name a few of his original researchers. So, when Dictor had enough $$ and "trained personnel", the security team, "Bless Patrol", guns, malpacks etc., took over and the goon squad began in earnest in 1975 under the guise of "spiritual vigilance and CP# 1" against the reprogrammers and the seedboy-led trinitarian denominations which were out to kill him and "the minus-tray of the word" we all stood for. Oh the humanity!......LOL! Add to the growing malignant paranoid narcissism, alcoholism, neo-Nazi politics and Aryan theology, stir in a little of Nietche's "Ubermensch" and a lot of sexual predation and serial rape, and you've got a lot to protect, eh? Surround yourself with family and corpses and build your kingdom. Grab guys like MacMullan, Quillen, Geer, Wajnberg, and some other psychopathic ex-marines, Green Berets, and general whackos, give 'em guns and "training" and turn them loose. First on the enemies without.....then, more sinisterly, the enemies within. The whole gun/security/bless patrol/goon squad thing was produced not by fear, but rather by a massive malignant paranoid narcissist's vain and self-serving ego trip. Sheesh!"
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[What you're thinking of was craig. Some woman came to Ralph for help, and he went to get to the bottom of this "abusing the women/lockbox" thing. The twi powers-that-be stopped him from talking to anyone while they escorted him off-grounds, threatening him with dogs and firearms. I don't remember that waiting for any kind of meeting. That having been said, vpw got less shrift than he was hoping. He got testy with Ralph not reacting like he was the US president and standing when he entered the room or something. He asked if Ralph would stand if (then-president) Nixon entered the room.] "As it turned out, I had an affinity for being hailed into dictor's office over the loudspeakers in the courtyard for personal reproof and correction meetings frequently during my first 4 months in the corpse. The first one, I entered his office smoking a cigarette and sat down without asking permission. OMG!....you'd think the world was ending! Dictor screams at me, "Stand up!". Would you walk into the office of President Nixon smoking a .... cigarette?". I quickly shot back, "I wouldn't wanna be anywhere near old tricky dick's office VP!" I was then ordered at top vein-popping volume, to get the .... outta his sight and never call him "VP" again! Never got around to yelling at me for whatever he called me in for." [I think, given his narcissism, vpw belittled what he didn't understand- like creativity in the arts, music. etc. He could play an existing song but didn't make much of those who made new songs. One of the best things at the ROA was all the unofficial stuff people sold around the grounds- music, t-shirts, wood-carvings, etc. I liked bringing souvenirs for those who couldn't make the trip. When lcm was forcing everyone to choose between lcm and cg, he made it look like choosing cg was a good idea. It wasn't as bad an idea as choosing lcm- which is not the same thing at all. ]
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Scavenger Hunt Arnold Schwarzenegger Batman and Robin
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Supposedly, WOW was based on Jesus sending his disciples out in pairs to preach. A quote from Isaiah was also used. In practice, it was kids in groups of 4 (with one owning a car so twi didn't have to arrange transport) being sent to different places to get entry-level jobs, run pfal classes, and continue to tithe and abundantly share the entire time, for 1 year. Oh, and rent some place to live, as well.
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I can save you reading the article. It says to read to "see how" they're doing that. They are incapable of originality. This is just a new call for WOWs, possibly international WOWs, since they're putting that in the context of flags from different continents. The odd thing about the original claim of "the Prevailing Word" was that AFTER twi lost some 80% of its people came lcm's announcement that he got revelation that "The Word is over the world." The explanation, when asked, was that everybody was within reach of a fellowship. Again, that was after 4/5 of twi's membership had walked. So, from there, lcm had to give twi a new purpose and focue. He'd stolen the spotlight with his little announcement, but in the process, he'd effectively said there was no need to "go witnessing" or, frankly, any impetus to show up anymore. So, his "promised land of the prevailing word" stuff was next on the agenda (along with all his purges of the unfaithful or suspected unfaithful.)
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Could have named a few other people in the movie I knew better. What was he in... oh, right.... Supergirl Brenda Vaccaro Zorro the Gay Blade
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songs remembered from just one line
WordWolf replied to bulwinkl's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
I only know the chorus of that song. However, at least I've heard the song before. It's not "Stuck in old Lodi again?" I thought "old" was in the lyrics, at least, that's how I heard it on the radio. -
Seriously no. (Although this isn't a very serious film.)
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A Sociology teacher of mine liked to mention the lyrics of a song, when speaking about bias. He pointed out that people LEARN their values, and are TAUGHT their values. https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/r/rodgers_and_hammerstein/youve_got_to_be_carefully_taught.html "You've got to be taught To hate and fear, You've got to be taught From year to year, It's got to be drummed In your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made, And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade, You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught before it's too late, Before you are six or seven or eight, To hate all the people your relatives hate, You've got to be carefully taught!" =================================== For high school, I went to the Bronx HS of Science. I found that a good place to address racism. When everyone in your class is above-average, and you have a variety of ethnicities represented in every classroom, the idea of some "race" being better or worse is easy to discard. BTW, it's not that Asians are automatically better at math, it's that many are "carefully taught" to push for higher and perfect grades in math and hard sciences, so that a kid making a normal mistake may freak out about it because the family's pushed for a perfect score. So, when you're shoulder-to-shoulder with a roomful of skllled people, their skin color can quickly become the least valuable piece of information.
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"Ooh, I fell on my keys! " "About six months... but I'm on probation, so it's all good, baby!" "No, I mean, what do you do best?" "I can't do that here. That's why they put me away, baby! " "He who signs a lease must pay rent. That's the law." "You miserable wretch! How dare you take the last penny out of a poor man's pocket?" "I have to. I'm a landlord." "Oh, Lord, hear my plea; destroy him! He maketh a blight on the land!" "Don't listen to him; he's crazy. " " I am the author. You are the audience. I outrank you!" "We find the defendants incredibly guilty." "And may I humbly add, your Honor, that we've learned our lesson and that we'll never do it again."
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With twi, it's always what they DON'T say that carries all the real information. IIRC, they've never mentioned the mandatory tithes of 10% or more, or how BLIND obedience to the people at the top is mandatory as well.
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BTW, the 'most recognized song" isn't "Moving Right Along", (which I like), but, obviously, "The Rainbow Connection."
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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (#3) Gary Oldman the Dark Knight
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Correct! "The Muppet Movie" was the correct answer, which you said, more or less.
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That's him. The radar operators were from the Austin Powers movies, and Randy Grainger was a boy in the big brother/little brother program Oscar Madison once tried in "the Odd Couple." Usually you make me post a page of names until I drop the Blalok puppet from "Star Trek"(TOS.) Studied his roles since? ;)
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That's it.
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At the 1988 ROA (and, I presume, others before that, but NOT the 1989 ROA), there were plenty of people who made their own stuff and sold their own stuff from their tents and their cars, and so on. I bought Tom Burke's "A FIstful of Scriptures" that way- along with other music tapes from locals. IIRC, I also bought t-shirts that way as well. By the 1989 ROA, all those people had headed for the tall timber, and were no longer showing up at the ROA. That was back when lcm drew his line in the sand. For those of you who don't know what that was, lcm demanded that all the staff and corps swear an oath of loyalty to him personally. When someone asked, he confirmed that he expected to be followed BLINDLY. Anyone giving any other answer, even a Scriptural one, was fired or otherwise removed from twi. Since he removed about 80% of the leadership of twi all over the "way tree", it should surprise nobody that a lot of them stayed together and kept on doing things, just without having to report in to twi. (In NY state, the state/Limb coordinator and probably all the territory coordinators were canned at once, and stuck together. Most or all of the Branch coordinators went along with them. As I've said before, someone who'd been previously warming a chair at a local twig was suddenly moved up to territory coordinator, probably because he was the highest-ranking person who stuck with twi.)
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"The ocean is a desert with its life underground and a perfect disguise all above. Under the cities lies a heart made of ground but the humans will give no love."