WordWolf

The following story is made up, which is a shame. One US President received notices about one of his generals. Some people didn't like that general, and attempted to portray him as a drunkard. The President replied to those notices. He asked them to find out what it was he was drinking. The President said he was interested in sending a few barrels of that to EACH of his generals, to see if he could get the same winning results from all of them. The criticisms stopped. The truth of the matter is that one general DID have a REPUTATION as a drinker. He could get drunk easily, and a few years before, he'd lost his wife and child, so he had drunk a bit then. At the present time, he was sober and NOT drinking. However, reputations can be hard to shake, even if they were unwarranted the entire time. Anyway, which US President is this about, and which general?

"Yes we have, and I bring up the rarely considered views." You bring up something. Whether it's rarely-considered or worthy of discussion is another thing entirely. "Here's another: VPW was the kind of mover and shaker that moved the Word around the world, and even to this old hippie (young then), for which I am extremly thankful." vpw moved almost nothing. His group was tiny and incredibly obscure. We would never have heard of him if he hadn't hijacked the hippies. See, there was a bunch of quality Christians, young ones who walked the walk and weren't focused on studying a new Greek word. They were getting attention. vpw heard of them and rushed over. He put on his full act. They were convinced he was some great one. Some of them avoided him, but some others joined twi. Those people became the entire advertising arm of twi, its entire outreach program, its missionary program, etc. One might say, by derailing the work they HAD been doing, that vpw had DISRUPTED the GENUINE work of God in the lives of local people there, people who were making enough of a difference nationally that people all over the US had heard of them- until they joined twi and faded from most of the public, and became part of the twi machine. So, those hippies and ex-hippies- and the people they taught- "moved the Word around the world" to the degree it happened. However, despite them doing all the work, you never give them the credit. "There is no way I could have gotten what I cherish now from any of VPW's sources, ESPECIALLY in the state I was in back in 1971. I would not have been able to listen long enough to Billy Graham to get born again, and I'd have NEVER learned to SIT from any of the teachers the past 50 years." Sure would have been nice to have heard directly from your peers during a genuine movement among God's people.... which would have happened if they hadn't been drawn out of that movement and into twi. "I can't take what Western Churchianity offers seriously. I love blending in with them to see if I can serve any where, gently and without controversy." There are so many genuine things happening among God's people all over, regardless of denomination, that it's a terrible shame you're reduced to tossing insults like "churchianity" at them. If that's your attitude, you're neither going to be loving- they can sense that- nor will you find what you actually need. You'll no more find them than a thief will find a policeman. "I have visited many churches with neighbors and customers and even the musicians I hob-nob with. EVERY time I am in another church I have a great sense of thankfulness for what I was taught, and for what I had in common with that particular church. I think we got the best quality product on the market." Are you going around calling them "churchianity"? If your focus is more on what you have, and not what you can gain from interaction with them, you're going to miss it every time.

I thought I'd get ahead of one of our talking-points. A lot of people here read "Babylon-Mystery Religion." Yes, the author wrote a sequel-"The Babylon Connection?' that largely repudiated the book. But that's not my point. A lot of us read "Babylon- Mystery Religion". We had no trouble reading it- it was a book that was particularly easy to read. There's a reason for that. The author read "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop, and found it ponderous and hard-to-read. So, he largely rewrote "The Two Babylons"- taking the main points and stating them much more clearly. The book was specifically designed to be easy-to-read. According to one school of thought, vpw didn't follow legal and moral imperatives and cite his sources because he cared about us so much, and properly citing sources would have made the books unreadable. That is demonstratably bushwah. "Babylon-Mystery Religion" cites its sources ALL THE TIME. The end-notes for each chapter were extensive. Were they a distraction? Hardly. Most people not looking for them didn't notice they were there. Most people reading the book didn't notice they were there. As soon as I looked for them, I was amazed at how well-documented everything was, since all of it was UNOBTRUSIVE. Worse, since this book was carried in the twi bookstore, vpw had an example on-hand of a book with extensive documentation that was NOT a distraction from the book. So, had he actually wanted to give proper credit (as is legally-mandated and morally proper), he had an example to use that would have been unobtrusive. So, that argument is without merit. And was about to be repeated, so I thought I'd save everyone some time this time around.

With public domain, the public owns it. So, citing sources is still legally necessary. You can use it as much as you want- so long as sources are cited.

So, in other words, as instructed by vpw, twi, etc, to "operate the Law of Believing", is to engage in white magic, witchcraft? (The answer is yes. Shocking, isn't it?)

vpw didn't give them "FREE ADVERTISING." vpw plagiarized their efforts and didn't say so. Every once in a while he'd quote something- that lulled people who trusted him into thinking he really cited his sources (he did it a LITTLE, but most of the time, he did NOT.) twi tapes have twi information and twi labels on them. It's easy to see where they are from. Most, IIRC, have a MAILING ADDRESS on them. You can get a catalog or order some. Plagiarizing is the OPPOSITE of that. Kenyon wasn't mentioned much, and Stiles wasn't mentioned AT ALL. In fact, vpw referred to him ANONYMOUSLY in one place, and later erased the mention of anyone else (the White Book.) So, that's the opposite of advertising. All of this is known. "Has anyone done any research on this?" Are you kidding? You don't know by now? http://empirenet.com/~messiah7/tw_founder.htm We've discussed this a lot.

I thought he meant the movies based on how he started the clue. How would you call that one, George?

I don't know if there was such a show, but that's not the name of any show I'm talking about.

vpw wasn't savvy enough to copyright the tapes. vpw slapped a copyright on every single book, starting with the first ones that he plagiarized all down the line. See, Mike, you can't have it both ways. Either it's wrong to plagiarize everybody- so don't plagiarize vpw but he was wrong to do it first, or it's perfectly fine to plagiarize everybody so it's ok to plagiarize vpw all you want. You've claimed vpw was ok to plagiarize, but if we do it to vpw's books, it's wrong.

According to Mike, it was ok for vpw alone to do it because God told vpw to do it- He told vpw what to plagiarize, where to find it, etc. But if YOU do it with vpw's books, it's wrong.

"No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. " If one is going to find a word and fixate on it, there's more reason to focus on "BUT". Even vpw said that put what was said before and what's said after in direct contradiction. So, "the Scriptures- they are God-breathed" was contrasted directly with "all that Wierwille writes". But really, basing one's entire theology on something like this isn't healthy.

" The Bible was written so that you as a believer need not be blown about by every wind of doctrine or theory or ideology. This Word of God does not change. Men change, ideologies change, opinions change; but this Word of God lives and abides forever. It endures, it stands. Let's see this from John 5:39. "Search the scriptures...." It does not say search Shakespeare or Kant or Plato or Aristotle or V.P. Wierwille's writings or the writings of a denomination. No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed." ========================================= Ok, so we saw that the sensible, obvious understanding of the passage was to contrast The Bible/ Word of God/ Scripture with the writings of any man/Shakespeare/Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/Calvin/Luther/Wesley/Graham/Roberts/a denomination, since the Scriptures/The Bible/Word of God is God-breathed. That's not difficult. So, an entire secret message was constructed on the word "necessarily". For the slow people in the audience, the question still remains- what would it mean for SOMETHING of the writings of Wierwille/Calvin/Luther/Wesley/Graham/Roberts to be God-breathed? John 3:16. " For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life." I just quoted a verse of Scripture/the Word of God/The Bible. By vpw's own definition, that verse is God-breathed. I wrote the verse down. Not everything that WordWolf posts will necessarily be God-breathed, but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. It can be argued that quoting Scripture and teaching it correctly (the devil can quote Scripture and teach it deceptively) means that what one writes will be God-breathed. If one is 100% accurate 100% of the time, than it would appear that almost everything one writes would be God-breathed- but that would still be no GUARANTEE. There's no guarantee of any of us being 100% sure. That's in contrast with the more sure words of Scripture. ============================== A separate question is whether or not vpw was separate from the other authors he mentioned. In the passage, he was not. Perhaps in his imagination, he was- he certainly wanted us all to think he was superior to all the Christians he plagiarized while claiming their words were his own, and he may have thought himself superior to all of them, and other times, he did lie like a rug. But in this passage, he's not really separated from the others, although the phrasing is interesting for those who wish to track vpw's narcissism. So, did vpw write any level of Scripture? Not unless you count also Calvin, Luther, Wesley, etc. Did vpw claim here to write any level of Scripture? No, he did not- although he left something vague. As I see it, this is part of his pattern of lying by INSINUATION. " I didn't actually SAY I was on my college's varsity team- I said I played all through college." "I didn't actually SAY I played for the Sheboygan Redskins, I said I was involved with them." "I didn't actually SAY I was getting revelation at that moment- I paused at the podium, made a gesture, mumbled an acknowledgement at nobody in particular, and then said something I heard on the John Birch Society hotline this afternoon." So, for those still gullible, there's wiggle-room to TRY to believe that SOME of vpw's writings will "necessarily" be God-breathed. For the rest of us, there's reality. So, there you have it. vpw didn't write any Scripture, and didn't say he did, but he left a bit of wiggle-room so that if someone really wanted to believe he did, they couid do so. That's grossly irresponsible for a minister, but vpw was FAR more concerned with his image and self-image than he was for his congregation.

All right, let's go over what it actually says. "The Bible was written so that you as a believer need not be blown about by every wind of doctrine or theory or ideology. This Word of God does not change. Men change, ideologies change, opinions change; but this Word of God lives and abides forever. It endures, it stands. Let's see this from John 5:39. "Search the scriptures...." It should surprise nobody that pfal uses certain terms almost interchangeably. Here we see an example- "The Bible" and "This Word of God" and "The Scriptures" were mentioned, in effect, interchangeably. it's obvious that all refer to the exact same thing- that "The Scriptures" is the "Word of God" that was mentioned- "THIS" to refer specifically, and that's the same as "The Bible" in the preceding sentence. That's just reading what's there, and not reading secret, occult messages into what's there. ""Search the scriptures...." It does not say search Shakespeare or Kant or Plato or Aristotle or V.P. Wierwille's writings or the writings of a denomination. No, it says "Search the scriptures..." " Here we see "the scriptures" contrasted. On one side we have "the scriptures." On the other side, we have the writings of different people- the writings of "Shakespeare" "Kant" "Plato" "Aristotle" "V.P. Wierwille" "a denomination." So, "the scriptures" are not any of those- not the writings of Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/a denomination. That's just reading what's there, and not reading secret, occult messages into what's there. "No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. " Again, the Scriptures- in contrast to the writings of Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/a denomination- is God-breathed, and that's ALL Scripture." Again, just reading what's there. "No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. " We already knew that all Scripture was God-breathed, and was CONTRASTED with the writings of Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/a denomination. Here we see the contrast AGAIN. "Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed." Mike would have us believe that this sentence means vpw claimed that his own writings were at least PARTLY "God-breathed." He says this not because vpw actually says "Some of my writings are God-breathed, and here's how you know...." No. Here, instead, we got another example of what we were already seeing- contrast between God-breathed Scripture, and writings of Wierwille and a number of other sources. The Scriptures are God-breathed. That's contrasting with the writings of Wierwille, Calvin, Luther, Wesley, Graham and Roberts. The meaning is very easy to understand. For people not straining for hidden. occult messages, this is all easy to follow. However, since there are one or two people wondering how that works, I will explain further...

It amazes me that it's actually necessary to say some things that should be really obvious in a "the water was wet!" fashion. So, we had victor paul wierwille, a plagiarist, a drunkard, a narcissist, a rapist, a simonist, a man who took on the job of "preacher" because it was easier than the other jobs he considered at the time, a man who, by his own admission, kept considering giving it up in his first year as preacher, a man who managed a lot of preaching by plagiarizing the works of other Christians, who "wrote" books composed of their writings and said "I wrote this", a man who found out there were young, impressionable, sincere Christians getting things done in the sexually-permissive Haight-Ashbury area of San Francisco, and went to recruit them while he tried to find out about orgies and possibly attend one, a man who put his name on the works of others in twi, and eventually claimed to have heard from God in 1942 with a Promise that kept changing and was STILL proven a lie even with the changing details. When he ripped off BG Leonard's class and JE Stiles' book, vpw taught the class and had others transcribe what he taught. It's been claimed that pfal itself was God-breathed- which was easy to disprove by pfal's standards because pfal gave a standard for whether or not something was God-breathed or not- and applied that to the Bible, known as "The Scriptures" in certain passages. Now, then, there was a separate claim as to whether or not vpw wrote The Scriptures. Well, according to vpw's works, The Scriptures are God-breathed, and vpw's own works fall short of that. So, that shouldn't even be an issue more than 2 decades after that was shown. A separate claim was whether or not vpw claimed he actually wrote The Scriptures. Supposedly, this was based on what was written in the Orange Book on page 83. Now, we all know that vpw's writings were NOT God-breathed- or we should know by now. But did vpw actually CLAIM they were? Let's see what page 83 actually said. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Bible was written so that you as a believer need not be blown about by every wind of doctrine or theory or ideology. This Word of God does not change. Men change, ideologies change, opinions change; but this Word of God lives and abides forever. It endures, it stands. Let's see this from John 5:39. "Search the scriptures...." It does not say search Shakespeare or Kant or Plato or Aristotle or V.P. Wierwille's writings or the writings of a denomination. No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. ==============================

Larry Abbott Eugene Grizzard Dr Doug Ross George Caldwell Avram Belinski Letterman

Ok, name ANY of the game-shows to take the round. Obscure game-show time again. A) This game-show was inspired by a video game whose name it shares. Damon Wayans Jr is one of the hosts. It started out on Peacock (NBC streaming) but has appeared elsewhere in syndication. Contestants attempt to cross any of several "screens" (play areas) without "drowning" and "losing a life." Pairs of contestants try each area, with the better of the 2 moving on to the final round, where the best score comes from the most "hostages" (my term) rescued and the best time- but with a timer and with only one "life". The winner of each episode wins a fanny-pack full of money, and returns to try to make it to the series finale, for even more money. B) John Cena's one of the hosts of this show. It's another show where contestants risk "drowning" and getting knocked from places. It's NOT inspired by any video game or other source AFAIK. C) Don't fall under in this game-show or you're out, and your team has to manage without you! In this game, you have to traverse any of several "rooms" that are booby-trapped and make it to the end. If you go under, you're "dead" for reasons obvious to people who know this show's title. It's inspired by a children's game.

"And he's oh, so good, and he's oh, so fine. And he's oh, so healthy in his body and his mind. He's a Well-Respected Man-About-Town doing the best things so conservatively." I think THE KINKS did "Well-Respected Man."

Although he's also been lauded for his role as "Lennie" in "Of Mice and Men." An anthology "The Ultimate Werewolf" had an introduction that mentioned him. They included that lauding, and a story of his birth which LonChaney.com corroborates. (I don't know who they are, though.) According to the book, his birth was remarkable. As I remember the account, "Creighton Tull Chaney was born, stillborn, in a house on the shores of Belle Isle Lake. After attempts to revive him failed, his father grabbed him, ran out to the Belle Isle Lake, and plunged Creighton into the icy waters of the lake- which managed to trigger his breathing. I was surprised just now to find the story corroborated. (The website's run by his family.) He was also in an episode of The Monkees. "You ain't going no place!" Oddly, that character was ALSO called "Lenny."

"Tony Danza." "Hold me closer, Tony Danza." Reginald Dwight got a hit out of that one- remarkable since nobody knew who Tony Danza was at the time.

If the question is about the name of the movie (I can't find the actual question), then the original was "Night of the Living Dead" was accidentally released into the public domain. It was followed by George Romero's "Dawn of the Dead" and "Day of the Dead" (and possibly Afternoon Tea of the Dead.) Apparently, "Return of the Living Dead" (a sorta-comedy) was a sequel as well, with "LIVING" as the word that divides the sequels. If the answer was in the TV shows, George pointed out that the "Walking Dead" series are all inspired by them- "Fear the Walking Dead" included. The movies also inspired other movies like "Zombieland" and "Shaun of the Dead" (that one I watched and actually liked, somewhat. Zombie movies aren't my thing.)

When it comes down to it, one of the baldest claims left for a few is this: "I got some blessings when I was in twi. I saw some blessings when I was in twi. Therefore, twi must have been designed by God Almighty, twi must have been endorsed by and approved of God Almighty, and its leader must have been appointed by God Almighty, and everything he said must have been endorsed by Fod Almighty." For the sake of discussion, let's give the benefit of the first doubt. Many will say- with reason- that most-or ALL- of the blessings were PERCEPTUAL. That is, they were life just happening as normal with NO interference by any Being, but the observer pronounces all of them as A Blessing From God. In twi, things got so miserable that people were counting the finding of a good parking spot as Supernatural Involvement By God Almighty... as if it's impossible to find a good parking spot without Divine Intervention. If that's the level of the involvement of God Almighty, then it's small wonder that people would doubt there was a God. (Or not be impressed if that's the best He can do for His people.) So, let us give the benefit of that doubt. Let us suppose- for the sake of this discussion if nothing else- that one is NOT talking of that, one is talking of things far more noteworthy- healings in seconds or minutes of things that take days or weeks, or things MORE dramatic than that. (Actual results from an actual God.) IF one is getting actual blessings from God Almighty, and one is in a group like twi, with a leader like vpw, does it logically follow that God Almighty is marking out twi/vpw as anything special, that He is endorsing both or either? In plain language, what would it mean to get answers to prayers while being in twi?

For the curious, before there was the GSC, there was Waydale. As long ago as Waydale was material that disproved the ridiculous claim that pfal was "God-Breathed." According to pfal, for something to be "God-Breathed", it has to be free of errors. The Blue Book has a lot of errors. This should not be very shocking, because the Blue Book never claims the Blue Book was "God-Breathed."

According to the contents of pfal, it is possible to prove something written is NOT "God-breathed." When this standard was applied to pfal, it surprised nobody EXCEPT MIKE that pfal failed that test. Since it was never meant to be taken as "God-breathed" itself, that wasn't a problem, even for most of its fans. So, it's a DISprovable thing, and it was already disproven.]

"I feel that in all the classes there was that open possibility for passages being "almost straight prophesy" or "God-breathed" or "special." I first started thinking in the early 1970s of the film class in that way. " [Yet, one of his claims was that this was something Mike came to in later years. So, he BEGAN his experiences with the film class with this idea EARLY ON.] "Another thing to note, 20 years ago I said there was no way I could logically prove that the collaterals being God-breathed. " [Actually, it was logically proven that the collaterals were NOT God-breathed."] "Mike, your grammar is crazy on page 83” was what 49 out of 50 people would tell me here, and in splinter groups. But a few grammar experts would agree with me over the years on this page 83 debate, so I pressed on with it, even though no one believed me here…. until Nathan_Jr showed up late one night and reluctantly agreed with me, last September." [So, that's a standard few of us would emulate. 98% of the public disagreeing with you, and ONE PERSON agreeing with you, and declaring you're right and declaring victory. The possibility that the ONE PERSON might be wrong or honestly mistaken isn't even a possibility. ONE PERSON agrees with you, and even the Doctored experts on the subject who responded must be wrong. But one layman agreed with you, so he and you have to be correct on that. Anybody with those kinds of results who's being honest with themselves and the results knows exactly what it means.]

"Here is the logic:" [Well, we all know THIS isn't going to be sound, but let's see what it is.] "I post that VPW claimed PFAL God-breathed. Others post that he did not claim that." [Yes, that's correct.] "I post 20 such claims." vpw, following the pattern of other speakers because he lacked the originality to make up a completely new style himself, used the best phrases and expressions he could find, and pretended he either made them up, or used known ones for some humorous purpose, or so on. In an attempt to halt disagreement with him, a speaker who was teaching the Bible sometimes would claim "Don't blame me- I didn't write The Book." The meaning is clear- they are claiming to be teaching what THE BIBLE says, and by disagreeing with them, someone is disagreeing with what THE BIBLE says, and not their own opinion. There are other expressions where one claims separation from something to avoid people coming after them, but this one was common enough among Bible teachers, sermonists, homiletists, and so on. So, here comes vpw. He makes some claim, possibly a controversial claim, that he claims is in THE BIBLE. He forestalls a debate on the subject by claiming it's God's Idea, not his. "Don't blame me- I didn't write the book." Now, remembering that people who came later cleaned up vpw's tortured grammar, added punctuation, and added capitalization where they thought it belonged (vpw was too lazy to do it himself or even proofread the results), we know the expression was the same one, and a lack of capitalization wasn't in what he said because capitalization isn't spoken out loud. His transcribers added-or failed to add- them. So, vpw claims he didn't write THE BIBLE. What other book would he possibly have been referring to at the time? Time, Life, Look, Saturday Evening Post? Supposedly, vpw was entirely about THE BIBLE. When he spoke out loud, he was speaking of THE BIBLE. Could he have meant the Orange Book, the White Book, the Blue Book? That would have been a heck of a trick- they weren't done when he was first saying all that! There WERE no such books as he got into the habit of saying that. Only years later did they actually get printed- and his meanings didn't suddenly shift to them. When vpw tried to claim he spoke what THE BIBLE said, he claimed to disagree with him was to disagree with THE BIBLE, and thus to disagree with GOD ALMIGHTY. So, when vpw said "Don't blame me- I didn't write The Book!", its meaning was plain to everyone who took the classes for decades..... until Mike came along and, all by himself, began insisting that it never actually MEANT "THE BIBLE" when vpw said "THE BOOK" there. Even people who've never heard of twi, of vpw, all know The Book is "The Bible." (Back in college, I was waiting for something to start. Other early arrivals were also getting fidgety. I began reading. One of them asked me, "What book are you reading?" I showed them the leather cover. "Oh- THE Book." I went back to reading.) So, vpw uses that same catchphrase some 20 times, all to prevent people from arguing with him because he supposedly was just reporting the contents of THE BIBLE and he didn't write THE BIBLE. That's not hard to understand. To hear Mike say it, vpw was disavowing the writing of one pfal book or another. This would be coming from a man who slapped his name on the work of EVERYBODY whenever he got a chance- JCOPS, JCOP, books he barely prefaced, all with "BY VICTOR PAUL WIERWILLE" proudly displayed on the cover. Not "EDITED BY" or anything else. But somehow, he decided to keep his name on the cover of certain other books, that say "BY VICTOR PAUL WIERWILLE" on the cover, but he made some offhand comments that he didn't actually write them- despite their covers saying that for multiple printings long after he said that. It's easy to understand for everyone EXCEPT MIKE, who has proudly made up his mind.] "Then I post that the others' knowledge of PFAL is insufficient to criticize PFAL because they all missed the 20 claims due to (1) forgetting (2) not absorbing all of it when they heard it." [So, Mike invents a fake standard, where people who failed to MISread or failed to MISunderstand are somehow less astute because they understood EXACTLY what was being said. Mike, however, has the HIDDEN, OCCULTED meanings of the contents. This makes Mike special.] "Meanwhile everyone thinks I am trying to prove that PFAL is God-breathed, when I feel it can only be proved to be true by living it." [Meanwhile, pfal specified what it meant for something to be God-breathed, and this is testable for anything written, including pfal. When someone actually tries pfal's standard for "God-breathed" on pfal itself, it fails to hold up, falling FAR short of meeting that standard. Since pfal never claims pfal actually IS "God-breathed", this isn't a problem for anyone else BUT MIKE, the one person who insists that pfal was "God-Breathed." So, it can be proven FALSE easily enough- and was done so about TWENTY FREAKING YEARS AGO, when this was first brought up. Mike keeps skipping over that, of course. But Mike's said before, that the only way to prove him right or wrong is to ASSUME Mike is right, then spend several months living as if Mike is right, THEN seeing what one thinks. Well, DUH! if one spends several months BRAINWASHING themselves, at the end, they're going to be BRAINWASHED! Mike's offer generally doesn't get a lot of takers.]