WordWolf

The old joke was about a man who flipped through the Bible at random, put his finger down, and that verse was his guidance for the day. (Yes, technically, that's biblomancy.) One day he arrived at Matthew 27:5b "and he went and hanged himself." (vpw MISQUOTED the KJV there and quoted it "and Judas went and hanged himself", which is NOT in the KJV anywhere.) The guy didn't like that, so he tried again and got Luke 10:37b "Then Jesus said to him, go and do thou likewise." The guy tried a third time, and got John 13:27b "Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly." (vpw misquoted the KJV again, "That which thou doest, do quickly.")

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Right- vpw made fun of this sort of thinking when discussing salvation and repentance. Now someone's trying to tell us this was exactly how God Almighty was handling His Revelation in the 20th century.

BTW, here's one for free. If the appeal is "well, I feel good when I try to follow this", then I'd like to point out vpw's own words, that you can get a good feeling on a psychiatrist's couch, which he was dismissing at the time. As for "it's in a neat package", well, I don't know who guaranteed truth would be in a neat package. If anything, cons would be in a neater package because style counts with a counterfeit. However, there's lots of programs in lots of churches. They've been discussed over the years in the GSC by those who actually cared. So, if the idea is "it's a neat package so it must be true", then there's a bunch of other "true" programs out there to try, and some of them are offered 100% FREE with no obligations! Really, excuses, excuses. If one is going to be dogmatic about adhering to a delusion, one should at least be proud of their decision, not try to deceive themselves or anyone else.

"In vain is the net spread in sight of any bird." It's one of the reasons we keep telling our stories- so more people can evade the hook even with good bait. So, it harms the individual to go into twi, and it harms the individual to just buy into occulted doctrines supposedly based on twi or pfal. Most people don't need our help much to see that last part. For the few that fall for it, it's a ruined life no matter how they want to depict it.

Any sociologist can tell you that the sole benefit of organized crime to local communities is that they get rid of DISorganized crime. People who pay "protection money" to mobsters to stay safe- if they're effective mobsters- will find that street crime in their area will be hunted to extinction. That's bad for THEIR business, so they'll push out muggers, etc.

So, just from the social angle, it can cost one a spouse, friends, and/or family. Quite a risk for something that has already been disproven. But, horse, water.

So, are you suggesting that vpw ACTUALLY wanted you to check his work and leave if it didn't measure up, or was this just another ploy to make you think he was confident it would stand the test of time- in other words, a BLUFF? If it was NOT a bluff, why, then, was this buried in "ONE" teaching and not something he said all the time, increasing the chance people would check up behind him? It's like the ONE time I heard him joke that you can take money OUT of the ABS rather than put some in if you needed it. If he said it a lot, people would take him up on it. He made the comment a few times, separated by years and audiences. It was SHOWMANSHIP, not scholarship. Also, don't pretend the 1942 promise MIGHT be true by calling it "unproven." It has been DISproven. It's not "well, we can't know for sure" - we CAN know for sure, and it has been DISproven beyond any REASONABLE doubt. Nice try sneaking that one past, though. We DO agree that if pfal really is error and it's adhered to, the adherent is screwed. Furthermore, if one's doctrine that is BASED on a VARIATION of pfal is really error and is adhered to, the adherent is screwed.

How about "the Godfather"?

Clicked to the top again, because someone mentioned it again.

[There was no 1942 Promise. You're the only one here who doesn't seem to know that, It's been shown beyond any REASONABLE doubt. It just doesn't work once it's looked at. The only way one can believe it is to hide from all actual discussions about why it's false, dogmatically cling to an insistence it's true because I want it to be true, and pretend one can shoot holes in the rather airtight case that there was no actual 1942 promise.]

Knowing vpw, I'm sure he'd say he invented the thing. Naturally, someone else did, and vpw took whatever credit he could. Standard M.O. for vpw.

The opening session mentions the prosperity gospel, and dangles that as a teaser. After that, we got the Word-Faith stuff, then both are left behind- which is smart because twi can't actually deliver on either, so the sooner they change the subject, the better for them.

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You forgot? He said that she cut the pie, then, as head of the house, he got to pick the first piece, so he'd examine the pie to look for the biggest piece. However, she'd always cut the pie so precisely that the pieces were all the correct number and all of them were the same size. As he's been shown to be a big, fat liar most of the time, I'd question whether this happened. However, he definitely said it. People later used the same example whenever discussing "rightly dividing" - "Just like one of Mrs Wierwille's pies."

I'm not sure how much I trust Bart Ehrman's handling of any subject, and I'm not interested in spending an hour to find out if MAYBE he's got it figured out correctly. He's fumbled the ball before, and if I can refute him from my chair, then I don't think much of him as an "expert."

Correct! Although I would have accepted both this and "The Hobbit- the Battle of 5 Armies", as all of these actors appeared in both movies, AFAIK.

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"Comfortably Numb" is correct. Go!

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Oddly enough, Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch both worked on the "Sherlock" television series. However, they also worked together on 2 movies completely unrelated to "Sherlock." When he was younger, Sylvester Mc Coy had been a Dr Who (he's an actor who's played The Doctor.)

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Allegedly, she made pie. vpw mentioned that in pfal when he made his rambling analogy by way of "explaining" ortho tomonta, or "right cutting." Supposedly, she cut her pies so precisely there were no larger pieces for him to claim.