WordWolf

vpw set it up that way on purpose because he'd already gotten caught boinking the church secretary and was ousted as a result. So, the next time, he specifically set up a group where he couldn't get ousted for boinking anyone.

When R@m0n@ was married to T0M M1tch311, that came up also. That is, lcm was boinking R@m0n@. T0M got into an argument with her about it. Someone overheard him shout that he couldn't compete with lcm. He set up to leave the grounds immediately, and begged her to come along. When lcm got wind of this, he sent someone R2m0n@ respected to talk her into staying. When she chose to stay, T0m responded by blowing his own brains out on campus with a gun. Naturally, they put it all on T0m, and told R@m0n@ that if she had chosen to go with him, T0m would have shot her and himself. So, yeah, lcm was partly responsible for T0M's death. Not that I think he was a great guy, but he didn't deserve what he got.

Yet.... even you admit that he made up a snow story. That was blatantly dishonest. That was deceit, that was lying. To any sensible person, that speaks POORLY of his CREDIBILITY. Then when he speaks about God, a SENSIBLE person should remember his credibility was shot and remain skeptical. In twi, however, it's "never question vpw." That's not sensible.

"DODGE, DENY, DISTRACT, BUT NEVER ADMIT AN ERROR IS AN ERROR." - MIKE. I'm sure, later, Mike regretted being that up-front for once about his methods. It was remarkably candid about having a blatantly dishonest approach.

vpw claimed that "Christian" was a corruption of "Christ-in", and that Christians were originally called that because they talked about Christ-in. As always, he was wrong. The man never studied Church history, he studied how to give sermons. In hindsight, it was ridiculous to trust him on anything of substance- Bible languages, Church history..... vpw claimed the early Christians in Acts were called "followers of The Way", with Jesus Christ being "The Way." Naturally, they're into their congregation being called their "FOLLOWERS" and herding them like sheep....and fleecing them like sheep.

Before someone pretends vpw had nothing to do with it, I'm in with.... vpw set the stage for this and vpw planned it all. This was the man who privately told people that God Almighty was OK with ORGIES, and apparently always wanted to attend one since he kept trying to get details of them and hung out where he thought they happened. He also set up an elaborate network where he could target women in twi- he used the "From the Birth to the Corps" papers to find his targets, and was even seen with their paper in his hand when he targeted them. He set up places remote from his home where he had an office AND A PLACE TO SLEEP. That's where he had women-whom he'd carefully selected- sent. Sometimes he drugged them, other times he just plied them with alcohol (lowered inhibitions). And if they looked like they were going to spill the beans or tell someone, the women were kicked out of twi and rushed off campus, and put on a slow bus back home. Meanwhile, as soon as they were off-campus, their name was slandered all over campus, and phone calls were made slandering her back home, and she was made, if possible, to feel like a big failure to God Almighty. Small wonder at least one woman kicked out committed suicide. This was not "and when women threw themselves at him, he sinned." This was "he set up the places to sin, carefully selected sin's targets, drugged women to make it easier to sin, and destroyed their reputations if it looked like they had regrets." To paraphrase George Carlin, it was a sin for vpw to want to rape Maggie Muggins, it was a sin for vpw to plan to rape Maggie Muggins, it was a sin for vpw to set up a place to rape Maggie Muggins, it was a sin for vpw to try to rape Maggie Muggins, and it was a sin for vpw to rape Maggie Muggins. I brought that up once before. One vpw defender came away with saying "the RCC has a lot of categories of sins" and never once said "that was a lot of DELIBERATE DECISIONS vpw made in order to rape ONE woman, let alone MANY."

Ok, now that sounds familiar. "Midnight Rider." I think that's the Allman Brothers.

Sure I'll pray for it. A church that reaches out to their community- I prefer those to the twi method of "Serve us and us only."

"We're all part of the Gnomish Space Marines, Gnomish Space Marines, Gnomish Space Marines." https://gnomish-space-marines.obsidianportal.com/

I thought Ex-C reported something to that effect as well. Perhaps I was wrong.

That's it.

You might as well post the answer, George.

No. Knowing twi, someone THERE misspelled it as "duel" and everyone in the region had to go along.

According to page 1 of that thread, you can flip to page 177 and begin reading from there- that's where she's first mentioned.

We broke all this down in the thread "The Way- Living in Wonderland." I included the page numbers there TWICE- once to post text before commenting, and once when I began commenting. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/7363-the-wayliving-in-wonderland/ Feel free to requote it here.

"I heat up, I can't cool down."

If you look at the way vpw phrased himself in TW:LiL, you will agree. He hints at a "dalliance" and that it was all her doing- making him the object rather than the doer of deeds. Back then, vpw considered himself a LOT more powerless- or he was busy turning all the blame on her. (This is independent of him being let go from his denomination over his "indiscretion" with a church secretary.)

He knew it because he was in vpw's inner circle, an equivalent to where the RCC has their cardinals, so he was privy to a LOT of things- like vpw's secret stash of "original" books he (vpw) plagiarized freely.

As for George Mueller and the Sardian, here's the best account I can find, recounted a few weeks later. https://www.georgemuller.org/devotional/my-eye-is-not-on-the-fog2874126 My Eye Is Not On the Fog 6/10/2016 7 Comments Charles Inglis, the well-known evangelist, relates the following remarkable incident: "When I first came to America thirty-one years ago, I crossed the Atlantic with the captain of a steamer who was one of the most devoted men I ever knew; and when we were off the banks of Newfoundland he said to me: 'Mr. Inglis, the last time' I crossed here, five weeks ago, one of the most extraordinary things happened that has completely revolutionized the whole of my Christian life. Up to that time I was one of your ordinary Christians. We had a man of God on board, George Mueller, of Bristol. I had been on that bridge for twenty-two hours and never left it. I was startled by someone tapping me on the shoulder. It was George Mueller. Captain,' said he, 'I have come to tell you that I must be in Quebec on Saturday afternoon.' This was Wednesday. It is impossible,' I said. Very well, if your ship can't take me God will find some other means of locomotion to take me. I have never broken an engagement in fifty-seven years.' I would willingly help you, but how can I? I am helpless.' Let us go down to the chart room and pray,' he said. "I looked at this man and I thought to myself, 'What lunatic asylum could the man have come from? I never heard of such a thing.' "'Mr. Mueller,' I said, 'do you know how dense this fog is?' No,' he replied, 'my eye is not on the density of the fog, but on the living God, who controls every circumstance of my life.' "He went down on his knees, and he prayed one of the most simple prayers. I thought to myself, 'That would suit a children's class, where the children were not more than eight or nine years of age.' The burden of his prayer was something like this: 'O Lord, if it is consistent with Thy will, please remove this fog in five minutes. You know the engagement You made for me in Quebec for Saturday. I believe it is Your will.' "When he had finished, I was going to pray, but he put his hand on my shoulder and told me not to pray. First,' he said, 'you do not believe God will do it; and, second, I believe He has done it. And there is no need whatever for you to pray about it.' I looked at him, and George Mueller said this: 'Captain, I have known my Lord for fifty-seven years and there has never been a single day that I have failed to gain an audience with the King. Get up, Captain and open the door, and you will find the fog is gone.' I got up, and the fog was gone. On Saturday afternoon George Mueller was in Quebec."

I agree about the love and respect being the important parts. We can level with God- but always acknowledging Him as God Almighty. I think George Mueller was on to something with HOW he prayed as much as how often he prayed. An eyewitness described it as something a child might say.... and that eyewitness was the captain of the Sardian.

Mike: "When Jesus returns, he will be holding a copy of the Orange Book and be teaching you from it." A few pages later, someone asked if he was joking. "So, you were serious about Jesus returning with the Orange Book in his hand? Mike: "Quite serious. I've seen him this way many times myself." =============== I forget if Jesus was also studying from the Orange Book, as well.

vpw's phrasing on this was very suggestive in TW-LiL. I speculated that something happened between them. Later, DWBH confirmed it outright.

Charity, since you're new, I'll tell you this in advance. One of Mike's hallmarks is to go on for pages on subjects nobody wants, and lots of people refute or debate. When someone has a question about something SPECIFIC and CONCRETE, then Mike suddenly doesn't have time. In over 20 years, he's never even clarified his belief system as he sees it- because he'd get called on it. Instead, he changes positions in secret and claims people misrepresent him based on his previous posts, and uses terms that try to make it sound like he's not that different from everyone else. a la twi. I even opened a thread to discuss people changing their positions on things over the years. Mike refused to post on it. There's someone hiding something.

They always like massaging the numbers. Just before they gave up announcing corps grad sizes (has that resumed?), they announced one not by how many, but the PERCENTAGE that were going on to do specific things. 20% to one thing, 40% to another. There were FIVE GRADS. ONE grad did the first thing, TWO did another.....

"Kodachrome". (S & G)