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Thought it was "The Apostle." Ok, let's see.....

Peter Falk Murder By Death [/b]Estelle Winwood MAGGIE SMITH ("Murder By Death" is another movie that's easy to link through, considering it's a little-known movie with lots if known stars.)

The movie that inspired "the Wacky Races." Tony Curtis played the role similar to Peter Perfect, in an all-white jumpsuit as the obvious good guy.

We discussed the late Redd Foxx before, I'm sure of it.

Forgot to answer this. "WILD WILD WEST." (BTW, the South signed the surrender, not in the town of Appomattox, but rather the town of Appomattox Courthouse. That town did itself also have a courthouse, but the surrender was not signed there. That's from "Lightning Never Strikes Twice(and other false facts.)")

Avalos was saying that any respectable scholar with an ounce of brains must acknowledge that there's no such thing as Divine Miracles, and the God of the Bible as understood by anyone is legendary and fictional, and the entire Bible should be tossed on the scrap-heap of history as not relevant to today. He lost me at "There's no such thing as Divine Miracles." I'm well aware there ARE such things as Divine Miracles. If I am correct, then something is producing the miracles- which he says is impossible, and that means someone exists he insists does not. IF they exist in accordance with a plain reading of the Bible, then by themselves they lend credence to the idea that the Bible is not simply a fictional book of legends, but rather an account of the divine as ordered by The Divine, and means far more than Avalos would imagine. Avalos would, no doubt, consider me deluded, in error and undereducated. As for people like Avalos, who so blithely dismiss any experience of the Divine, I'm not interested in impressing them. Everyone's free to take their pick- of either position or some other position.

True about Redd Foxx, but- AFAIK, neither ZM nor DS had any tattoos. BTW, this one thing isn't EXACTLY something they have in common with Redd Foxx, not EXACTLY. Then again, his claim to fame was more for television, and he was NOT known for live theater (not counting "stand-up comedy" as live theater in this case.)

That was called something like "the Apostle" or "the Missionary" or something like that, I think.

Yes, your turn.

Saying the melodies in AOS are "riveting" is overselling them. Most of them, IMHO, are pretty good, but not ESPECIALLY noteworthy, and certainly not "riveting". And there's at least one song that is dissonant, painful to listen to, and calling it "mediocre" would be generous.

Even JAL noticed that- for something supposedly explaining spiritual stuff- it has time for 2 hours of fluff but nowhere in the production is JESUS CHRIST himself invited to be a part of things. Who is the powerful one protecting the younger Christians? It's not JC, it's lcm himself- who is specifically representing ministers. As for myself, I'd like to point out that our side looks woefully underpowered- because we're poorly represented. Who fights devils directly? Obviously, ANGELS do- but none of them were invited to take part. So, when the human servants of evil show up- "the seed of the serpent"- that should have been the moment for the Christians to face off, but they were improperly matched against devils. So, a sub-category of Christians is sliced off- ministers- and assigned a task for which they were never designated to perform, facing off against humans- as well as acting as "elite Christians"- as if they were on a higher plateau than the rest of us. If you pause the video at just the right moment, you can actually see lcm with all the Christians PATTING HIM ON THE BACK at the same time. AND Jesus is never represented. The "Gathering Together"(Rapture) is depicted, and Jesus STILL is not mentioned- even though he's supposed to be critical and central to that moment. Although supposedly meant to communicate something, it misses the mark, fundamentally, many times. The entire doctrine of "seed of the serpent", obviously, is error- and is a twi, home-grown error so naturally it's central to the error-ridden tableau. The only thing worth any effort, IMHO, was the narrator reading the expository blocks on the devil and God Almighty- primarily because it's the one time in the entire production where the Bible takes center stage, however fleetingly. THAT could have been accomplished without the rest of the production and saved a LOT of time and error- but then lcm would not have had a chance to make things even MORE about himself.

If you like the original version of "The Producers", you'll have little trouble remembering the late Zero Mostel (who played Max Bialystock) and the late Dick Shawn (who played LSD/Lorenzo). They both appeared in "the Producers", obviously. They also had a background in live theater. After doing this movie, both returned to the stage eventually. What truly odd thing did these stage actors have in common? (And why might it remind you of something about Redd Foxx?)

(It's one of mine also, although I haven't sat down to listen to it anytime recently. )

If you like the original version of "The Producers", you'll have little trouble remembering Zero Mostel (who played Max Bialystock) and Dick Shawn (who played LSD/Lorenzo). They both appeared in "the Producers", obviously. They also had a background in live theater. After doing this movie, both returned to the stage eventually. What truly odd thing did these stage actors have in common?

Batman Forever Jim Carrey The Mask

"How Ironic, Tony.....in trying to rid the world of weapons, you gave it its best one ever. And now....I'm gonna kill you with it."

"Ground Control to Major Tom, Ground Control to Major Tom, take your protein pills and put your helmet on."

I've got to check with Mrs Wolf, but obviously not right now. She's more of a Jeremy Irons fan than me.

"Goonies"?

So, for those people who want to read previous threads discussing Athletes of the Spirit (AOS), there's several, and I found a few. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/16069-rocky-horror-athletes-of-the-spirit/ Rocky Horror Athletes of the Spirit. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/6753-athletes-of-the-spirit/ Athletes of the Spirit. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/298-bg-leonards-book-foundationsplagiarism/ "BG Leonard's book, Foundations Plagiarism" https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/25483-aos-new-topics-same-as-old-topic/ "AOS New Topic's Same as Old Topic." https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24790-are-we-athletes-of-the-spirit-or-soldiers-for-christ/ "Are We Athletes of the Spirit or Soldiers for Christ?"

"Anyway, still trying to figure out which athletic sports have any of the moves shown in AOS - if you know of any, please enlighten me." Obviously, the blocks and kicks (and unassigned strikes) were taken from martial arts. Possibly the only thing lcm added to the moves was the thing they used to represent speaking in tongues- some sort of wind-sprints used in US football practice. Whereas the other 8 moves representing manifestations had some sort of practical aspect- a block, an evasion, a strike- this was the only one that, by itself, actually did nothing whatsoever. (In hindsight, it was accidentally a perfect symbol of what we were told was "speaking in tongues", but that's another subject and you can contact me about that.) In whatever guidebook I read at the time, it said the foot-stomping thing in that move was supposed to represent "the energizing of the holy spirit." So, in later moves, when people did that foot-stomping thing, it was supposed to represent people doing SIT. At the time, I wanted to complain about what moves were assigned to what. In particular, "word of knowledge" - divine revelation of information- and "word of wisdom" - divine revelation of practical application communicated. In AOS, WOK was represented by a block, and WOW was represented by an evasion. Personally, I thought it should have been the other way around- word of knowledge allowing entire events or actions to be bypassed (an evasion) and word of wisdom being a direct interception of information and an immediate redirection of thought- a block. Under the circumstances, it's hardly worth mentioning compared to all the actual errors, ripping off a movie wholesale, rewriting Scripture to pretend it said something it did not (Ephesians 6:10-17 in particular), but I thought it was worth mentioning as a point of interest. Also, lcm had a sequel planned. The first production carried forward through "the Gathering Together" all the way to the "New Heaven and New Earth" in Revelation 21. What was left to do in a second production? (When I mentioned that a bit later, Raf suggested a sequel could have been used to try to correct all the errors of the first one.)

If you like the original version of "The Producers", you'll have little trouble remembering Zero Mostel (who played Max Bialystock) and Dick Shawn (who played LSD/Lorenzo). They both appeared in "the Producers", obviously. They also had a background in live theater. In addition to appearing together in this movie, what odd thing did the actors have in common?

"ON THE WATERFRONT", I think it is.

Was that "ISHTAR" or something?

ckeer, Jun 16 2005, 02:38 PM , "Athletes of the Spirit" thread. "I assume you are talking about the movie Staying Alive and the Show within the movie- Satans Alley. I remember LCM saying he used it as a basis for Athletes- I think I remember him showing clips from it at an explanation/ teaching about AOS." TheHighWay, Jun 16 2005, 11:52 AM, same thread. "Do you all remember that Loy-boy accused Sly of stealing his ideas for this movie from their original Athletes ROA production? Supposedly that was part of the reason Loy wanted to do a full-blown AOS... he stated he wanted to "do it right" and thumb his nose at Hollywood's devil spirits. Oh my... talk about ego." Bob, Jun 17 2005, 11:23 AM, same thread. "Here's what I recall Craig saying about AOS and Staying Alive: Sometime in the late 70's / early 80's, TWI did a skit on the ROA stage about AOS. Supposedly, someone from Hollywood was in the audience watching, liked what he saw, and copied it for use in Staying Alive. Loy got ticked off when Staying Alive came out, said they copied their ROA skit. So Loy copied, verbatim, the Satan's Alley section for AOS. If anyone can be sued for copyright infringement, it would be TWI by the producers of Staying Alive." outandabout, Jun 17 2005, 12:53 PM. "LCM came through San Diego one time around 1984-85. He used a scripture about learning things from "a little bird." In other words, the devil could transmit info via devil spirits. Thus, the original Athletes from ROA was given to the people who made "Stayin Alive." Therefore, TWI could take what they did in the movie and use it because it originally came from TWI. Uh huh... of course it all made sense to me at the time because LCM said it. He also was on his Seed of the Serpent trip. His big example was Steven Spielberg." TheHighWay, Jun 17 2005, 09:35 PM. " I was in-rez the year they were working on AOS, and every time Craig came to town (Emporia) he would talk at great length about every aspect of the production... his thought processes, the reasons behind all the costumes and dance moves, blah-dee-blah-blah... I'm sure I have the specifics somewhere in my notes, but off the top of my head, he stated that Sly Stallone was clearly "influenced" because at the time he and his wife were planning the timing of the conception of their child with star charts and the like. Because Sly was "influenced" he was getting insight into how to put "Satan's Alley" together accurately... ruling spirits, underling spirits, the decadence,writhing, etc. Craig said he wanted to do it from a Godly, Biblically accurate perspective. (essentially showing the devil up, not that he put it like that)." ------------------------------------------------- My list of ripoffs from that thread: "I caught the "Satan's Alley" segment. They could have sued his head off. "Satan's Alley" features: the scaffolding the villianess in red the villains in masks the grasping/writhing the "hero" in white the rising podium section the grunting/yelling sound effects the jumping combat the flying kick the white light representing the presence of God the one-one-one combat towards the end with the guy's shirt off" ============== Rascal, from the thread on the Passion of the Christ, Mar 24 2004, 11:39 AM "This reminds me of the whole athletes of the spirit fiasco.... LCM came to the advanced class ...he was so excited about having seen the *staying alive* movie with John Travolta....there was a scene where in the production John Travolta was doing involving a battle with devil spirits....Lcm was all hepped up about how twi could do it better ....more accurately more skillfully more dramatically...yada yada ...and thus the conception of aos was born...simply because HE, lcm wanted to show the world how twi could do it bigger and better than Holly wood ever could...... You know........even vpw couldn`t dissuade him from it.... That was the way it always was when I was in twi....if they hadn`t done it first....it wasn`t worth doing... Twi`s critisisms are so childish."