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there's at least one thing my father taught his kids before he passed away-tactics he taught us how to play chess and many other things-he has his rewards-what they are i have no clue But Jesus Christ is Lord and it's in his hands. Just thinking, since i work at a school and see all the teachers giving their all to help these students. Shoot, don't even try to tell me that God doesn't have a place in his heart for these people. Sure there are some that should probably retire because they have been in it soo long they have lost the love of it. But God is love-and you can't get away from that. That love sets the standard in my opinion. If it don't fit with it, move on to something that does fit with love. Some go on strange trips and get very caught up on tangents, ego and extremes. I say lighten up and live. Tangents of what we are supposed to do that are so limiting that it hinders the person's real gifts. I just helped a teacher who thought that she was sick because of what she may be doing wrong in her life. She was influenced by her sister who is involved in on of these limiting religious things. Told her that she has doing nothing wrong to get sick. Things just happen and we don't know why sometimes. God loves us and always will. I think i helped her, she went through half a box of tissues while we were talking. Bless her heart. When you are sick your mind starts messing with you and sometimes it takes someone to help out. A fresh look. Someone who can help take that person out of such introvert type thinking and blaming themselves. Blame adam...lol...get off your own back. We are the hardest on our selves sometimes. Didn't have to get her in a class or anything. Just two people talking common sense and love. Fight or flight is usually the response to adverse conditions. Most choose to fight. Let's help them the best we can.

i think we might all be a little surprised at "rewards" and what they are... what about those who pour there hearts out for people and never get into a religious concept there are places in the new heaven and earth for all i believe these cult/religious tactics really suck

by lindy yeah...lol-good answer you are not at a disadvantage but smart enough to know not to answer when the answer ain't there i certainly don't have all the answers just a few to the many questions of life life is so big and diversified we just live and do our best and don't worry about it

i'm there radar

oldiesman if tou truly want help out of this snare e-mail me and let me know do you have the courage? are you willing to listen? do you want love? or are you just playing us to your liking there is more then you can imagine in His Love then you can see... your prescription blew your cover you've been busted-face it there is help...here now tomorrow i work a little in the morning but will return to you when I know what to say have you gone so far off course to not hear? btw - A la - thanks

and after all that talk on another thread more than a year ago....oldi some remember... I can see quite clearly what I'm talking to...

sheesh...just thought...oldies.. I hope you don't have a wife and kids that have to endure this tough love... maybe you never had any real love... i don't know...

tough love huh-that never works that's ego not love tender love works and is tough for some to handle....

We're just trying to help you broaden your scope and view of what this is about Oldies... You seem quite narrow minded on some of these things. You may not be-it seems that way though. There are many stories and situations... Many are very different...

easier said then done for some it would be like they teach at twi, all that hedge of protection stuff is believed, it has brought some to the brink of suicide I hope they all leave but it's complicated for many. How deep they are into it and family. And I suspect some think either it will change or they can change it. This was my thoughts at one point.

back to the subject Second John 1The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; 2For the truth’s sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever. 3Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 4I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. 5And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 12Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full. 13The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen. "abideth in the doctrine of Christ" Apparently we can know it and but not abide in it. "He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." A wide range of understanding here and comprehension. "biddeth him God speed"- speed 5463 chairo { khah’-ee-ro} a primary verb; TDNT - 9:359,1298; v AV - rejoice 42, be glad 14, joy 5, hail 5, greeting 3, God speed 2, all hail 1, joyfully 1, farewell 1; 74 GK - 5897 { caivrw } 1) to rejoice, be glad 2) to rejoice exceedingly 3) to be well, thrive 4) in salutations, hail! 5) at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995.

lol..Raf...hope not...

For the others here... Look up "in Him", a cool look at the scripture. If you want that is...I don't give assignments... Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ

Mike-I love ya man but you are on a dead end road. You'll never get it....

You got it dude! And you are talking to some now! lol...blessed will in twi...yeah.. I guess there were some times that I was. But looking back on it, I could see how the noose was tightening ever so slowly and surely. Almost without being detected...like a virus. Drawing me deeper and deeper into the spiders web. I had questions in the back of my mind but wouldn't bring them up. There was always something to be at. Fellowship, sts, meetings. Fear of being confronted was used all the time. You that are in can test to see if you are being controlled. Try leaving. by belle... "blackmail and threats that TWI uses to keep people involved because they are STILL doing this and they are turning up the heat on it to keep people from leaving" See if this happens. Let us know how it goes. Even just try taking a break for a month or 2. It was told that I was being tricked and fooled by the adversary. lol...then my in-laws left not too long after that...good for them.

Oldiesman- Noone who was raped will tell you about it here in this forum. At least I would hope they wouldn't. They should not relive this in an open forum for your benefit. If you really want to investigate it and find out for yourself. You are going to have to search it out. And you better have a heart of gold my friend, cause you don't go messing around with people when they say something like this happened to them. You better just back off and give 'em some room. In general, rape victims are not believed. Because the one's that they confess to have hard hearts and will not listen. Or they just don't want to believe it because of their own experience with the ones who did the wrong. And I wouldn't want anyone to relive it in open court if they could avoid it.

by mike I'm so sick of your wrong usage of this scripture I could hurl. Galations 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you formed is a form of the word morphis You are implying that Christ is the one to grow within. Wrong-sorry. It's talking about the person growing up and changing to know the Christ which is spirit. That Christ/Spirit does not need to grow. The people he's talking to already have the new birth-travail in birth again-he wants them to grow up. Why don't you read the whole book of Galations and think for yourself for a change. Whatever you got growing in your mind, you better take a another look at fella.

Yes - Love And somehow this lady would be able to recognize those who have the gospel of Christ, without mistake. It flows from the scriptures and the living Christ as we grow in understanding as the spirit brings it to our remembrence. Some things will follow those that believe. Unmistakeable and undeniably real. It ain't "lo shanta..."

and Christ was around before Jesus Jesus Christ-the same yesterday, today and forever

lol...song no i'm not STL...lol

i suppose i should clarify my post i have not witnessed or performed levitations or blowing up anything with my mind things can happen that can be termed "paranormal" there have been things that i have seen and heard that could carry that term-i will not discuss it in this forum-just advice should anyone experience it...e-mail me if you are seriously in need of help...i might be able to help-i don't know... so anyway i addressed that term-paranormal

good thing Christ doesn't use those verses in ephesians like twi does twi beat up people with it they don't even have a clue as to what ephesians is talking about imo shoot, if it wasn't for my wife's COMMON SENSE i'd probably still be in

my heart breaks with you shellon, i don't know much else to say... love is still in your heart though this is plain to see... love

there is power that can be tapped into don't ask me how 2 ways 2 go with it life or death stay with love no matter what you may experience drop selfishness focus on someone or something you love do not give in to evil

by CWF seems unloading crap is a good way to clear the brain tubes! yeah-ripping off the joy-I hear ya brother! Mark- Catholic or not cool post. I don't care what religion it is some come up with some good thoughts- eastern religions as well.