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inspired from a friend; Not so sure it's an art but when people are together minds interact without words being spoken even. Just the way it is I believe. More like being sensitive to others. Feelings that someone needs to talk or we need to listen and make a phone call or visit are real. Not really so much spiritual but human nature. That which is within us reaches out. Sometimes we are mistaken most of the time we are not. My 2 cents worth.

seems this would be the time for physically detaining a child. If surrounding the child and defensive measures have been taken and not worked. Hold that child even if it takes more then one person. No hitting though. Restraint is a 2 way street. Staying calm and thinking clearly rather then overreacting works better then madness and lashing out from the adults involved.

outofdafog For the record I equated extremist type thinking with lust. Since I brought the word up (lust) I should clarify. Lust is prevalent in our society whether it be for money, power or sex (hetero or homo). And it will block rational/logical thinking. And therefore understanding and wisdom will not be realized. And btw, better be careful, seems some are deciding who goes to heaven, like they are the lord or something. :)--> lol...good thing the real Lord has it in His hands.

extremist type thinking, pride, ego, lusts, all stand in the road to a better understanding oenophiles post was enlightening- "I am not pontificating about homosexuality one way or the other but I remember reading just the other day that Jesus hung out with harlots, tax collectors, winebibbers (my kind of people)and sinners of every stripe. I never remember reading that he shunned or scorned any of them but he was disgusted, sickened and had plenty to say about hard, unloving, legalistic religious people. They might be reminded as the Pharisees were by Jesus, the harlots, sinners (and gays) enter the kingdom before you."

sharon your post is one that illustrates that love can defeat the odds against similar situations it's just a quirk shall we say with your oldest my sons have done the same love

I suppose it takes many words to communicate it socks. As you did. Love is the most powerful force there is. Nothing can equal it. And to experience the love of God is how to know it. We can read about it and learn. But to know the love, it has to be lived from the heart, which is where it is. It's built and crafted into us, it will not come from an outside source. And some will brush up against it and stir up it's heat. The pianist is there, ready, willing and able. It's not too Hot for me to handle anymore. Just tickling the tip of it has brought out some things. But it is so hot that it will burn some things before our eyes. A rough ride for some. Some cannot taste it's full power yet. The force is with us and will not be destroyed.

Yeah.... What broke my heart is when my 3 year old told his mother that i didn't like him anymore. That was after applying twi's crap teachings for the first time. It will not happen again and I'll tell all that they-twi-are wrong. Use your wooden spoons for cooking. Or throw them away. And keep your hands to yourself! That's what they teach in schools. They know what they are talking about. Hello-earth to twi!?!

same goes for parents please do not hit your kids stick your hands in your pockets twi did not and still does not know what "the rod" is. They taught it wrong and practiced it wrong. I've said it before-get a thesaurus

Some are just trying to change things for the better. And I agree that the "no child left behind" deal is causing some problems-no doubt. Especially when schools are hurting so badly for money to get more teachers. No Teacher or anyone else better slap one of my kids or they will be in jail. It's called Assault and it's a crime.

And I had a teacher slap me in the face in fifth grade. Good thing for her that I had good parents. Cuz I might have killed her.

So did mine, so did mine... edit-correction; they thought he had ADD-attention deficit disorder don't know what ADHD is That's what they thought at first. But with some work, learning and testing, the School and us the Parents figured it out. Without the help of drugs either. Well our kid didn't need any, but I could of used some at the time :D-->

Congratulations Abi and Aaron. Love

And btw-this is exactly how many abusive relationships develop. Some people's answer is to whip the kid. 2 people get married then along comes the child and children. And all they know is to whip them. Well then that's all that they are teaching these kids. Beat the hell out of each other. Soon the parents are beating each other up. An endless cycle of ignorance. I'm not saying that you, WG, are promoting whipping kids-just making a point.

WG What you said is true enough but not always the case. Let me make some points here again that have already been said. But I'll put it a little different I hope. I'm sure you know these things anyway WG. There are real problems in many children that the parents are not in control of. Not because of how it is at home, but because of other things. Chemical imbalances are real. Along with many other problems that have been successfully diagnosed and treated. And there are some that there are still no answers to yet to the parents or doctors or teachers. Just google "child behavior problems" and the like and you will find many things. And I used to think whacking a kid's butt is right. Not anymore. Maybe up till 1 or 2 just to get their attention. And not a whack either. Just a little slap on the diaper occasionally-not as a way of life everyday for the child. There are much better means of teaching self-control. Again, google some stuff and learn. And you may say-sure give 'em drugs to dull it. Or something. But once again many children are the better for it and they are still themselves.

Welcome gc! Raf where's that coffee! lol bring a round for all of us old people we gotta stay awake ya know :)--> :)--> :)-->

It did kind of take the wind out of his sail, but we continue to encourage him. And he sings all the time. Annoying sometimes-lol. The Junior High teacher may work with him on some special projects this summer though.

ex10 don't know if this will help you,but my kid was discriminated against in theatre because- it's one of these or all 4 perhaps more we don't go to church we aren't rich we aren't gay he didn't have the look my best bet is on the church and look part just not as cute as the others He's a great singer and actor and loved it. He blew people away with his voice and acting abilities all through elementary and junior high. But the High School's music and acting teachers-one is gay and the other is a flaming religous idiot. He was denyed in the try outs while less talented kids got in. We saw the reasons and so did the junior high music teacher. Fortunately he has not lost the love of music and acting. But he doesn't want to work with these people because he saw it too. Will have to wait for college I guess.

I never understood what that is anyway! :)-->

In all honesty and from the heart. Thank you def59 for putting this on your thread.

better add this about moving on I know it takes some doing-not belittling that either. i'll add this from shazdancers thread on "getting over it...not" "Trauma survivors can benefit from treating themselves gently, doing what they need to do to keep themselves safe, and letting the emotional ups and downs of recovery happen as they happen.... With effort, healing does occur, and one can move beyond the abuse."

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It was and is our own deep desire to help people. Selfless motives are godly. To know the unknown God. The drive and passion within. To corner it, channel it in a direction that will get us answers so we could give. As satori said on another thread "hard wired into us". But it takes a back seat to freedom of choice. Figuring it out does make it interesting. Sometimes our choices are right, sometimes they are wrong. For each one of us. Regardless, we are where we are today, and can be thankful for and have regrets about the past. Nevertheless we must move on. Can't change it. Such is life. Was it worth it? Yes and no. Some of it was. Some of it was not. For some I wish they would have never heard of twi. Not to belittle anyone's horrible experiences there. Just some thoughts.

Maybe there's just too much Power in Love. Too Hot to handle. Maybe I shouldn't of even started this...

I didn't tell him to go away. I said go start your own thread. A self-righteous stand I will not take against anyone. Just trying to stop a war before it starts on this thread. "attempted to present the Bible's terms of what that includes" it was a little more than that btw Thanks Roy

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