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well....def.... i should have just said you misread my post.. if you are reading this, i'll leave you with this God is no respector of persons all will go through hell all will go to heaven and the Lord will hold each one of us all the way through both and He won't let go till it's done each in our own time bury yourself in His Love His arms, His bosum, His face you'll need it it'll be you and the Lord noone else till you are one with Christ and we all are going to be a little surprised at what hell and heaven are..... for me i must reset my bearings now maybe we'll chat sometime....

I'm really not into current Christianity. I like to think and look in a lot of directions.

I hope you are still around Def59. Didn't want to run you off. Sorry if I hit ya too hard... Yes, Paul was a faithful minister who carried the Gospel. I agree.

And I wonder will the tree of life-Christ do these things then and Today 1-eyes opened 2-be as Gods 3-naked and unashamed 4-no fear 5-vaporize evil Noting that if they had not eaten of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And Just ate of the tree of Life first.

Ok-food for thought- Then=after the "apple" -- They were naked and unashamed Then They were naked and hid themselves -- They didn't know evil then They knew evil -- Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 1-eyes opened 2-be as Gods 3-knowing good and evil 4-afraid 5-hides because he is naked These are the things that changed in his mind. And btw God did teach them about evil. But said don't "eat" of it. It-I'm sure he told them what "It" was. And God maybe chewed on old evil a bit too because he is God. His eyes are opened, knowing good and evil. Just food for thought....

Yeah maybe... or opened em up hopefully...

Do you know why Paul got the whippings and beatings and stoning and prison? Because HE DIDN'T LISTEN TO OTHERS. My bet is he learned this and taught to Timothy.

I mean the whippings and beatings and stoning Def. If you can't see that then you are ignorant. Damn idiot.

well.... I know i don't want my kids to experience evil. But somehow they will come across it. I just hope they don't eat of it. But if they do I hope they will come out of it wiser and more able to see the difference. Sort of like the evil we experienced in twi. Coming out of that-I mean really breaking free of it gives us wisdom to see where we were, the whys and how it got us. And then to really appreciate the freedom to not have to be involved in something like that again. Choosing is our right. God given. The dust of the ground thinks it's pretty smart sometimes. God's choices are unlimited in variance and magnitude. Not limited to a few things ya know. We make choices all the time. Godly choices. Just trying to throw in some good old common sense here and not make it seem so damn religious.

as it should be in other words people want to glorify in men rather then in God too bad Paul was considered a big deal he may not have had to go through what he did i think there's a lot of pauls and timothys around that are right in front of us

I like that, but apparently they still had the ability to make choices, because they chose to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, right! hmmmmmm getting back to eden.... quite the journey

Genesis 3:22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. What's the question again?

The flaming sword that turns every way..... Hot and bright..... Moses and others were able to grab hold of that succer.

Lindy and all... Lucifer, Gabriel and Michael are all angels of God. He told the truth. Remember he is an angel of light. Transformed into an Angel of Light-how? It's not a lie either, but true-transformed into an angel of light. Adam was placed in the garden of eden. Where God is and his angels which are part of God. Genesis 3:7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. You can't run but you can hide. Luke 1:26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. "she saw him" "the angel came in unto her" from where? We're on the cutting edge here. Gotta watch someone's head don't get sliced off.

and isn't it interesting to compare Adam and Eve with Joseph and Mary the results of both encounters with angels

yes, the hidden part.... that which we can't see but can see

in sin did my mother conceive me and thou desirest truth in the inward parts both are there (and in the Mom too)

Psalm 51:5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 6Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. Romans 3:9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. These illustrate the two and the choices that are there. And all of Romans illustrates the dance very well. That has been going on since the beginning.

and there it is again... a personal experience... So who is he writng to.... does Paul even know or is to whoever is listening- those with ears to hear... and who is Paul listening to is more the flip side...

Well...always a good time there. A suggestion to put it on sunday around noon though. Seems that may be a better time for many. Open to other times though...

what a wild and crazy idea huh? while we still learn, we still don't know exactly who he's talking to....

Well....this does open a can of worms :D--> There's still only One God. So who's really talking to who? And where are they?

For instance, if you read it like this... For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Leaving out the chapter division helps to look at it a little different. "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." So which "law" is being emphasized here?

If you consider the emphasis and point of Romans 7 and 8 about what God has done through Jesus Christ it takes on different characteristics. To take Romans 7 & 8 and use it to illustrate man and his shortcomings it always seems to go to glorifying man instead of God. And emphasizes man and sin. I think the point is about what God has done and how to live without condemnation.

So much hatred filling your heart def... Are you in a doom's day religion? Like twi?