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something was set before him for sure he saw it...clearly i would think..

clearing the cache- http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/using/...clearcache.mspx

take care of my Mother Father forgive them When his sweat was like drops of blood was when i think he lived this day and time in his mind. He had learned how to deal with pain cuz he knew what was coming up.

now that i've got the southern baptist out of me on this... :D--> Let's look at this dude again... i think this is a good representation of every individual...everyone with their own personal things involved everyone is unique i believe

from Bethlehem to Egypt to Jerusalem and the east to Nazareth to Jerusalem thru the wilderness on the tree to the right hand of God

This is the best java machine I found... the others seem quirky http://java.sun.com/downloads/index.html Could try that if you don't already have it. Uninstall the other java virtual machine first though.

thought i'd bring this back to the top cuz it's been on my mind a bit. seems to me most western religions that i know of are "doomsday" religions. everyone that doesn't believe what they believe ain't going to make it to heaven. don't know much about eastern religions though. this is from the first post on this thread.

Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. so what died..... and this was before the woman was taken out of man he told them... that great union of the father and the spirit, not spirit they were both still breathing And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself the greatness of it had been lost split apart and died the serpent on a rock but the eyes of them both were opened then there remains the way of the tree of life with a flaming sword that turns every way... perhaps we will never see the full greatness of it till unto dust shalt thou return and the spirit/soul goes back to God who gave it I am the way the truth and the life-Christ I and my Father are one he-jesus did it, took on the Christ survived the wilderness for 40 days did what God said he would do paid for that death for all pulled that sword out of the way redeemed adam and eve and the rest of us too.... going to be better in the new heavens and earth....

When we look for truth along the bloody trail of the heretics what they said needs to be harmonized with the words about and from the chief heretic, Jesus Christ. In of itself, being labeled a heretic does not guarantee the truth of the entire message or even any part of it. If the message of the heretic does harmonize with scripture then we have truth. Martin Luther was considered a heretic by the then established church because he proclaimed that justification came by faith rather than works. It became evident from scripture that his words on the subject, in the end, were true. It was fortunate that he was given the time to develop his message and the means to make it known to a large number of hearers; otherwise, he and his message, as others were, could have been swept under the rug of personal destruction so that we all could still be paying the church to justify our dead family members. I'll take the heretic label anyday...

you guys probably think i'm crazy... no matter-just a different look at some of these things..

2 Corinthians 11 10As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth. 12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion desire GK - 2527 { qevlw } 1) to will, have in mind, intend 1a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose 1b) to desire, to wish 1c) to love 1c1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing 1d) to take delight in, have pleasure occasion - GK - 929 { ajformhv } 1) a place from which a movement or attack is made, a base of operations 2) metaph. that by which endeavour is excited and from which it goes forth 2a) that which gives occasion and supplies matter for an undertaking, the incentive 2b) the resources we avail ourselves of in attempting or performing anything that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. Paul's bringing about this change by "But what I do, that I will do" results- 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Paul takes this "place from which a movement or attack is made, a base of operations" or "that which gives occasion and supplies matter for an undertaking, the incentive" to preach the gospel of God freely. And turns things around or rather straightens em up. As God told Moses to grab the serpent by the tail and it changed back into a rod. 11Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth. that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we

2 Kings 6:17And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

as the serpent winds its way thru so does Christ that which lives within ourselves make our paths straight evolution? yeah.... war in heaven? heaven-depends on how we see it where is heaven seen? how did John see it Revelation 21:1a And I saw a new heaven and a new earth as seen thru new eyes.... we know in part...

and why does a fly fly into the house but doesn't fly out?

Job 26:11The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. 12He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud. 13By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. 14Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand? Proverbs 30:18There be three things which are too wonderful for me, yea, four which I know not: 19The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid. John 3:14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Revelation 12: 7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

a few little thoughts Gen 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 3:14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. the dust of the ground 2:7 and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life 3:14 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 3:15 - Galations-flesh against spirit-and other places....2 seeds-one must die for the other to grow (don't take that literally and think suicide) I think we may need that ole serpent.... Jod 2:2And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Abigail "So does this then mean we each have another "part" out there somewhere?" I don't think so. In the sense of being out there somewhere. But begins to be born and uncovered from within. It continues to unfold itself.... I could be wrong on this but it's quite the different look and way to see it... cleaning off the dust of ourselves to see our inner self, loving ourselves....in a sense

Abigail, that's almost all i can come up with and put into words right now. Getting info from a lot of different sources. It's not the whole answer or story, I'm sure of that. As we can we put it into words....

that holy breath-holy spirit "because she was the mother of all living"

Gen 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

the Father and the Holy Spirit-the Mother from sirguessalot-on another thread, bib-uni note: the dove descending on him from above being an anointing of a feminine nature (i mean, look at the form: wings unfolding + oil + descending from above + being well-pleased, all sorts of ooh aah shekinah glory type stuff, etc...is it sexual or a birth canal or both? does it even matter?) the secret of the universe, including the "problems" with eden and the "solutions" of the book of Revelation, are to be found in sex and sexuallity, it seems...sexuality of body, sexuality of soul, and sexuallity of spirit eros and agape in union...now there is a fiery tree that never ever goes out

And God said, Let us make man in our own image after our likeness Gen1:26 God here is elohiym. It is in the plural so the pronouns us, and our are properly supplied. In the next verse the Hebrew word for God is also elohiym. In this next verse, the pronoun translated as his is also plural and should be translated their. The image of their own, in which elohiym created man, was male and female. They made man in the likeness of themselves. In Genesis, before man is formed out of the dust of the ground and is given the breath of life to become a living soul, he is created first as male and female in the image of God. It is only after man is formed out of the ground and after being made a unified living soul that man is separated into two different parts. 23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. after they ate of the tree because of the serpent after their eyes were opened to who they were 20And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. -- from Abigail- In some sects of Judaism it is believed that the people collectively will become the Messiah as we grow as a "race", and in some sects as we grow as a species. I tend to agree with this latter concept. I think we are hear to learn and grow - to evolve in a sense. I think it is also entirely possible that we will continue to be reborn until we have reached the platue of our learning.

When I first saw you, I saw love. And the first time you touched me, I felt love. And after all this time, you're still the one I love. Looks like we made it Look how far we've come my baby We mighta took the long way We knew we'd get there someday They said, "I bet they'll never make it" But just look at us holding on We're still together still going strong (You're still the one) You're still the one I run to The one that I belong to You're still the one I want for life (You're still the one) You're still the one that I love The only one I dream of You're still the one I kiss good night Ain't nothin' better I'm glad we didn't listen Look at what we would be missin They said, "I bet they'll never make it" But just look at us holding on We're still together still going strong (You're still the one) You're still the one I run to The one that I belong to You're still the one I want for life (You're still the one) You're still the one that I love The only one I dream of You're still the one I kiss good night (You're still the one) You're still the one I run to The one that I belong to You're still the one I want for life (You're still the one) You're still the one that I love The only one I dream of You're still the one I kiss good night I'm so glad we made it Look how far we've come my baby

FOREVER AND FOR ALWAYS (Shania Twain) In your arms I can still feel the way you want me when you hold me I can still hear the words you whispered when you told me I can stay right here forever in your arms And there ain't no way-- I'm lettin' you go now And there ain't no way-- and there ain't no how I'll never see that day.... Chorus: 'Cause I'm keeping you forever and for always We will be together all of our days Wanna wake up every morning to your sweet face--always Mmmm, baby In your heart--I can still hear a beat for every time you kiss me And when we're apart, I know how much you miss me I can still feel your love for me in your heart And there ain't no way-- I'm lettin' you go now And there ain't now way-- and there ain't no how I'll never see that day.... Repeat Chorus (I wanna wake up every morning) In your eyes--(I can still see the look of the one) I can still see the look of the one who really loves me (I can still feel the way that you want) The one who wouldn't put anything else in the world above me (I can still see your love for me) I can still see your love for me in your eyes (I still see the love) And there ain't no way-- I'm lettin' you go now And there ain't no way-- and there ain't no how I'll never see that day.... Repeat Chorus (2x) I'm keeping you forever and for always I'm in your arms