CM

And as spiritual Wisdom rises, which is Christ, the fleshly, carnal, selfish thoughts begin to die. We must let them die in order for the new man to live. Pouring new wine into old bottles breaks the old. No one will need to teach it to you. Just a desire for truth is what's needed and the willingness to look at the new. The doors will open as we knock...seek and and you will find. Look under every rock. Sink the plow deep. Many are pointing the way to the new but not many hear...

Uh yeah - I think it's mine-lol! The carnal mind is at enmity with the spiritual mind-Romans 8. Spiritual understanding comes from the spirit. But we use our carnal minds to read and learn so that the spirit has more to work with in our understanding. The more we understand the more we understand... And Wisdom rises...

Just to clarify- illusion means how we perceive things not something that is not there just in case i was misunderstood...

and i keep learning and growing letting the carnal mind die= not letting it have dominion and control it will always be around till we shed this mortal body yet diminishes as we put on Christ which is in each one of us... He is not absent as you know... spiritually speaking of course- we must use our mind for many things

satori- both

Uninstall aol as soon as you are sure that the other isp will work.

No not an upgrade but changing internet service providers. When you get on aol look up peoplepc or earthlink and download it's program and save it but don't run it yet. Also look up the phone numbers that the isp (internet service provider) has available for your area to be sure that they are not long distance. They should have a listing for your area code. Just call the numbers and see if you get the computer tones and then you will know that it will connect once you run your new isp. Also you can ask for the cd of the isp that you want from their website and they will send it to you no problem. Check the isp to see if it will support windows 95 from their website or a customer service phone number.

vickles- i suggest running aol's free trial period and get the downloads that are needed from the website i listed then cancel aol which is twice as high as peoplepc and others like earthlink if the others don't work, aol will gladly accept you back no doubt...

spiritual believing is relevent to the extent that the spirit works in us miraculous results is dependent upon how we see it it is not man that brings to pass a miracle Christ is the miracle and as we allow Christ to live by letting the carnal man die we will see the spritual and it's miracles that proceed from within though the carnal mind learns, we can't depend on it for truth, but rather bring it into subjection to the Christ within

cause and effect are always from within healings, sickness, enlightenment, darkness what we see with our physical eyes is an illusion and spiritually based-all of it if you can grasp what I'm saying and think spiritually rather then carnaly such is the surface of greater things that are within our grasp...if we are looking...

Yeah...any other gospel is so limiting that it quenches the Spirit of God. Our freedom to explore and search, accept, reject or reconsider that which has been rejected is ours.

here's some support to win 95 http://www.infinisource.com/win95.html

Seems I can't help but keep but continue to post here... Thinking of works. Not everyone's calling is a spiritual one imo. Some are just simply to be who they are. Professionally or otherwise. Saved by Grace-Yes Works vary greatly according to the individual. We are all saved- 1 Timothy 4:9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. John 1:29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. We can just be ourselves and live and love and let the Lord work in us and others as He pleases. And not worry about it ya know? Titus 3:8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. To those that believe we are encouraged to maintain good works because we see how great the Grace of God is and could easily stray from doing that which is right. To not let our faith be dead but alive because we do good works which are as variable as each person is.

Doesn't bother me for you to share your beliefs Roy. I've found for myself that as I grow and learn my beliefs change at times. There are different views of the new heaven and earth as well as the concept of Christ's coming. As we learn to talk together instead of at each other we all learn and grow as part of the greater spiritual understanding we seek. Of course I think I'm one of the worst at talking at people. I think I come off like a cocky know it all or something sometimes. Don't really mean to, it just comes out that way.

Just a suggestion Roy. Run your ideas thru your imternet search engine-google is the best one I think. And see what others are saying about the same things you are thinking. http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8 It's hard to handle alone ya know. The new heaven and earth is just that. Many changes. Physical changes as well. Love

accordingly to the true- No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. And so it is that he must face the one true Master, King and Lord and face his demons and himself in the fire. And somehow Christ made His way thru this little one man show also. There were and are men and women who got the oppurtunity to take a look at the scriptures. I pray that those who are continuing in his wake come to see and realize the downfall of that which wants to live and breath the freedom which it rightfully holds. To see how this man turned to hate Jesus Christ, which is hating God. Without the Son you can't have the Father. For they are the same. And He is manifest in many ways as the scriptures declare. 1916-61 is all mrs. w could put in a book. Perhaps that's all that's worth knowing for history and 100 or a 1000 years from now. Cause it seemed to turn much worse from there. Even vpw rode this wave till his death. And so a spike or a moment of true spiritual clarity could have been there imo. My kid's kids will not know this person. But others are and will be around that will be similar. And here we are who lived thru it-though some didn't. So for learnings sake the eyes can open up and see....

Yes why couldn't he see these spikes for what they were. You presented a lot of possible explanations. Which I believe are valid. A total villain is not how I picture this person. Mislead by his own reasoning and further lead by his own problems. Rather then being lead by the Lord. Lack of patience possibly... Lost some of the basics-like God is Love, no respector of persons. What He can do for one He can do for others. There was and is no one "leader" of every person who is born again. This somehow escaped his attention through lack of understanding possibly. Paul lead because it was his Gospel that the Lord revealed to him. The Lord Jesus Christ is the leader and head. We are to be brothers to Jesus Christ which makes us like him. The mind of Christ is not fictional imo.

"the Son of Man" is an interesting study Def... i have been looking into it quite extensively.. it's a broad far reaching term that includes a lot... not quite ready to put it into words on this forum yet

and another thing He wasn't King of Kings and Lord of Lords untill AFTER He was raised from the dead NOW He is not later but Now look it up yourself, it's in there..

another btw- Jesus Christ... who are the Kings He's King of? who are the Lords He's Lord of?

don't say i said things that i didn't say please

CM,Are you saying that Jesus the man wasn't God but Christ the man is God? and by the way I never said Christ was a man

Without the Christ what would Jesus be?

sorry for the bit of a derail sirg but i need to take this a step further Yes Christ is God, but not Jesus Jesus the man lived the Christ without measure He became one with the Christ-one with the Father ONE WITH GOD It was given to him, that made him equal with God God raised Jesus the man from the dead. Now Jesus Christ is Lord and King of Kings. Do you believe that? Or is it just words in a book.

So what's your answer WTH. I can judge spirituality just like you. From a far greater view then being entrenched his teachings and theories. Rascal is right about VPW. The question is why and how could someone actually see some truth and turn their backs on it in favor of their own selfish motives that hurt and enslaved and killed people. He took what little he saw and made himself a God to others and despised the truth. Used it to advance his own lust, ignorance and selfishness. Turned the truth of God into a lie. He flat out lied about major doctrinal issues and he knew it too. He was exactly what Romans Chapter one says not to be. Bury his bull**** crap and his effects. The love of God, the Lord Himself, the one true God can kill it's hurt and make alive the truth in our hearts. Yes Christ is God and he knew it. The dead are alive in Christ and he knew it. He lied straight out. He developed a system of error to support his doctrines and feed his own lousy belly. And now to see it and learn from it as we do other things. To be wiser and to help others like rascal said.