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hmmmm-is that enough posts in a row? I can think of more when given the time.

All and I mean all period have Life today. No exceptions. Because of what Jesus the Christ did. Some choose to see it differently. There mistake. Bacause it will manifest itself in due time.

common sense and love leads to a greater spiritual realization and understanding. Not as to what is on the surface of the scriptures but that which lives in the heart as the Word of Life. That which resides deeper then words in a book but the living epistle written in the heart. And to also mention that Love is the catalyst-the balance-the power with wich the truth can accomplish God's will. Without Love spiritual understanding can actual hurt people instead of help them. Because the leaven of selfish ego and other things redirect it's meaning.

Damn straight-the shame comes when we know the truth and reject it. And I mean really know it and let it solidify in our souls.

Certainly what he taught will come to our spiritual understanding as we but live and love and grow and not get hung up on one thing or another. A progressive learning experience. He died for a reason-not just to become a martyr. His death raised people from the dead-both past and present and future. Thus the end Of Adam's transgression and the results of it.

The birth of the Spirit within which some attained even before Jesus' sacrifice. Such is the grace of God.

He knew what he was doing and getting caught is auto matic since God lives within. And it doesn't say he was ashamed just that he hid himself. Death was brought into the world because of failure to adhere to the tree of life. "sin conciousness" will always be there to some degree because we are human and have not killed off the carnal man for good yet. "sin conciousness" can not be there when within the spirit in order to bring about the miracles that we can do through Christ which strengthens us. The Spirit will burn it to a crisp and blow it away with the wind. That confidence in Christ and not ourselves is the key to unlocking the Mysteries of the universe. And bringing deliverance to those held captive by their own thoughts.

Both, and to further expand upon it-his teachings have been around a long time even before his physical birth. Jesus Christ put it together because he became (not born by physical birth) one with the Father by spiritual birth and continueing within it. Which is also accessable to us, for God is no respector of persons. But Jesus the Christ did it and God gave him a name which is above every name. And we are proud that he calls us brothers and sisters to himself.

It is already done, some just don't see it yet, and continue as if it wasn't. His death redeemed us-his example is one to follow, although his example is a mixture of many things. All that was known was in Christ.

And thanks Danny-a bit narrow minded myself at times. And punchy when what is so obvious to me escapes the mind of others when i thought I laid things out rather plainly. But I do not know the hearts of men and women. One does and I seek his heart to further communicate and clarify so the listener could at least get something from what I wrote.

Long Gone Nope not at all, but a flaming Sword that turns EVERY way. The intention of the author is hidden to those who do not seek it's spiritual realities which are are very real in any universe.

Please clarify who you are speaking of Danny. If I have offended please let me know. This not my intention at all.

So stay with your views of Jesus being God at his physical birth, I have confidence in God that he will reveal in due time the truth of the matter. I am not trying to win anyone to anything but proposing things that have not been considered. And contrary to what some may think it did not originate in my thinking from searches on the internet. But a slow growing into truth and changing and transforming. Isn't this what the scriptures speak about? Or is it just a toy to play with at our convenience.

So the Birth of Jesus has been misunderstood for many...why is birth so misunderstood when it happens all the time. There is no indiction that this one is any different then the others. A baby being God Himself? Maybe some should grow in their own wisdom and understanding.

We are all children of God by physical birth. It's the spiritual birth that opens the eyes of spiritual understanding. Past the physical into the unseen and invisable things of God that he has prepared for us. Spiritual truth will not only replace the physical but further clarify it into understanding beyond that which you can comprehend on your own. Selfish self righteousness will hold us back from that which The Lord longs to reveal at his coming which could be future or today.

Yes, the goddess, what is that really? The origins of man have much to reveal on this subject though it had been buried in narrow minded thinking and previous thought patterns. One God-three Gods in one-trinity, and other such speculation that only the Spirit can reveal if we have the patience and self control to let Christ open the flood gates of heaven. Because we must go there - it will not come to us unless we seek. Many have given up. Hopefully the love of the truth will be visited again. Love will bring us to the point where God can work His perfect work, if fear does not stop us. It has been talked about and missed. Not many seem to want to know. A few do.

We are no longer alienated from the life of God that is IN us. As ephesians says - the enmity has been slain, broken down the middle wall that was between us and God-the enmity between the seed of the woman (which is not speaking of the human woman)and the seed of the serpent no longer exists. The Garden of God, The garden of Eden is in the mind and is there for those who seek it and Jesus Christ will appear a second time without sin unto salvation. Jesus Christ will draw all men and women to himself. Some will be dragged to him. But there is no other choice. There is only One God, not two as we have been led to believe. Darkness shall turn to light. Evil only exists when light is being hid. Light blinds those who believe not. And it's an illusion of evil cause when a closer look is taken spiritually it can be seen for what it is and for what is not. The veil that is upon the heart will be taken away and the true light will shine...sooner or later... God is the the one true God and Father-The Holy Spirit searchs God and man-The Son which is Christ is the revealer of that which the Holy Spirit is quite ready to reveal if one can take the truth which is not only carnal which is a shadow of the heavenly but that which is spiritual and gives understanding and light. Seemingly in contradiction to the physical and carnal thoughts, but not, for the carnal mind is against the promises of God yet the spiritual mind and mindedness will discover the secrets of the universal Christ who is one with God thru Jesus the Christ. Not at his physical birth as some believe, but at his spiritual birth and as he grew to know this Christ, God's Son, He bacame the Son of God, one with God, which is and will be manifest within each of us in time. And as part of the whole we are each gods with our own gifts and angels and heart to contribute. Because it is within us, that which is ready to reveal and bring to life the true life of God, the Holy Spirit and His Son. Noone will be left out. God is Love.

Hi Abigail The term "born in sin" is not used in the bible anywhere. Therefore it is not a consideration. This is though and other parts of the scriptures- Romans 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. What Adam did resulted in death for all. Of which Jesus Christ redeemed Adam and the rest of mankind by what he did. Now rather then going round after round about what Adam's sin was. I am just thankful for what Jesus Christ did. Although I have a pretty good idea of what that sin was and meant. But this board cannot handle it right now. The results of Adams sin was death-the worst possible consequence. Jesus Christ changed that by what he did and now life is here now for us and for all (all-meaning everyone-period)those that have lived and will live. Although Judaism offers much insight, so do many other religions. Eastern ones most especially.

def- continue to separate yourself from Jesus Christ and you will continue to separate yourself from Jesus Christ

A glimse-perhaps a shadow perhaps a slight insight to the real spiritual truth that evades most misinterpreted by a mind that was inflicked with it's own torment fallen back to the old inspite of the new generations seeking but lost in the sea waters of darkness the spirit moving sinking yet holding on to little not patient but overeacting without the counsel of many who were there Lost in the waters of self rather then the bigger picture from the sky good thing JC didn't fall for this trap

Yeah...Danny-the blood thing is a tricky one.. Funny where we learned this angle- Cause I can't find the darn thing in the scriptures!!

the law was made for man not man for the law God supersedes the Law yet stays within it smart he is.... and the culture was not a stop to what God had in mind your understanding of it comes from where? from God? from the scriptures? from the myths? the law is for the lawless God will not stop the spiritual or the physical from happening take what you see with your eyes and feed it to the heart while loving someone and see what holds up the inner heart sees more then it's given credit for hidden away to be seen in due time and times...

that which is flesh is of the flesh that which is spirit is of the spirit what really was he talking about existing before he was born why are a lot of things hard to accept the invisable things of him before the foundations of the world upside down, backwards and inside out

Believe what you want to. Putting Mary away does not mean in hiding forever. Just long enough for them to get by with it. It does not imply that he wasn't taking responsibility. And Joseph was only thinking about these things. Being in the Spirit is miraculous-every time.

Here's a link to a previous discussion that could add some light to this subject for some. http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2...2726097291/p/12 from page 12 and the following 1 or 2 pages...