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sort of a crossroads and many crossroads as what we see in our minds meet with what we see imagination and reality meet together hopes and dreams meet with real experience and growth of that which has become real faith hope love perhaps I've gone too far with words perhaps not if there is a chance to see dreams as a reality yes....if..... and if those dreams of life that seems to be promised are real then it's worth the chance to take a dive with words and see what connects...

Well...yeah... Last time we played, I got to see a lot. I was hopeing this time you would too.

want more? 46Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. 47And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, 48And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. this is the wisdom that confounds the wise of this world

well anyways..love to ya Mike i do hope you truly see it soon..

lol...more then you can see....

I think both are true it's a double edged sword and God is no respector persons Nothing is impossible for Him

no watch Mike...

I agree with ya Raf-it is hijacked and since it is, I'll be quite blunt- Wierwielle was anti Christ I believe he got a glimpse of some truth but has since worked against it using other men's words and his own to promote his own selfish anti-Christ stand while there is some truth in pfal-i think even wierwille was so blinded that he didn't even see it himself Now Christ changes a person sooner or later In Wierwille's case it was later... Gathering together-there's more then one way to see it-the coming of Christ is an individual occurence-the gathering will take on new meaning and not to say anyone else is any better or worse cause we will all see for ourselves the fall of that man of sin within ourselves, and i plan on breaking out the marshmellows with the Lord and watch it burn and believe it or not - transform Love Always And God Bless VPW for what good he did do... Mike-as it says, watch and be ready, cuz you don't know when he is coming 5Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. 7Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. 9The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

same goes for Jesus too...what he said what do you want to talk about that we both understand in our lives...the weather?

And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. ...thinkin' to myself a little here... it's a matter of knowing what the person is going thru and understands and thinks Bob just like you got an understanding of the person who wrote that book you read to get an understanding of what Mathew Mark Luke John and other writers wrote you need to know what they were going thru, their understanding, seeing, living, learning this is their life... their life must be understood and that life, once understood brings their words to life so rather then dismiss their words why not just say you don't understand?

if writings can't be taken seriously then neither can talking not seriously as in SERIOUSLY but saying or writing something can be understood by the hearer or reader words are dead without the life of the writer saying something means something to the one saying it, and here is where the understanding is more then words thrown around but thoughts, ideas of the one talking or writing

i'd like to hear from ya wordwolf...as well as others around here

people claim them to be whatever what they are will be self-evident

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/shattered/

now this i don't understand if this is true then why take any writings seriously?

i do like think fish's original post on this subject from another thread "the return of what" although he may have meant it differenly it is a good question nowhere in the new testament from acts 2 is the "return" mentioned "even so Lord come" is one powerful statement in John to fully see and comprehend what has already been done for us and in us will be welcome sitting there like a baby in the womb like year has said so many times we each have our insights, to see them and consider is enlightening people talk about the wrath and vengeance of God...pffft if you haven't experienced it, then you don't know what you are talking about i have in part and it'll be different for each person and i look forward to "even so Lord come" it is about love and hell and heaven it would be wise to stay with what we know and then the lights will turn on as we hunger and search imo all the guessing about what the scriptures mean and say...i believe you will know when it is shown to you by Christ...no need to guess and it can't be explained to someone else by doctrinal debates they will have to see it for themselves i don't want to bust anyones bubble but we each have some "reality"

this all brings up thoughts of, is imagination real, is love real, are there any that are still searching out the unknown God. there is none righteous as it is written. and speaking of it is written, what really was written, how who why, the ears to hear it or closed off to perspective as TGN put it which is real. what is Hope is it what we were taught or can it be seen (perspective) with new eyes, heard with new ears....and even grow into something real, not just a could be, or a should be. our personal perspective of God and Hope... can it change? Is there Hope, Love, Faith is God an object? are we an object? are Hope, Love, Faith an object? are we stuck or trapped into tricking our minds into something that may or may not be? Or is there something really there that is real and will grow and those dark sayings of old will lighten the place up, the mind... i was told not to expect too much.... from people....seems the expectation is real and it's a shame cause John and others writes to us as children, with dreams, imagination and hope and love which are real now it's these things that will die and be born again more then once... love always clay

gotta soak that in for a while! TGN firenup....smokin man....

Hey Bluzeman, Check the PT the email seems to have kicked back....

Well... while working on this project with Bluzeman i came across this little dude http://grouper.com/index_b.aspx it's a sharing thing that you do via email address' and as they say themselves it is free. it's not shared thru email but this is how you setup who to share with. and this type of sharing allows for tranfering any file you like including music-no copyrite problems i have downloaded it and it seems to work fine and looks cool too

object subject objective subjective both inward and outward and points in between doctrinly practicaly funny how these two mesh together we (each person) are sort of a mixing bowl to bake a cake and eat it too changing the ingredients changes the taste and you get a "feel" for the ingredients that are right and even though individually the ingredient may taste bad when mixed with the rest it turns out rather tasty so even some "bad" or distasteful ingredients are needed to bring out the best taste which of course makes that ingredient good are we cookin' yet?

I think he wept with compassion and passion and love which precedes the great things of God

I expect you think this a one time event for all and for all at once. If you would take the time to go back to even 10 of my posts you might see that I think differently. There are many phrases that are not biblically based concerning the coming of Christ. Nevertheless a doctrinal study of the subject will only add tips as you so well put it. It is a matter of the heart really wanting to see it. And the courage to be selfless, fearless and spread the wings of the Spirit of God that was never lost from the beginning. For Christ is that Spirit and has never been separated from God ever. And so the old testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ as Peter says. But the fullness of the Spirit is a new testament built upon the old. Yes the fullness of it brought back by the act of a selfless man who loved and loved not his own life all the way to the death of the cross. The significance of this is beyond what normal human language can express.... And it seems as though you are searching. May God direct your path into his Love and Holiness. It is a different understanding and there is change involved. Some things will be solidified, others will melt away.

Well first of all I'd strike out the word "second" in this sentence regarding Christ. And secondly the word "return" where it is used regarding Christ coming is correctly used. But it is used in parables. A bigger ball game so to speak. And much depends on how open a person is to letting God show the interpretation of it.