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ex10 i think that's true for those running the show too. not prepared for what could happen. i don't think the motivation for doing it was wrong. but as i said this is fire you are dealing with with people. like you said there are other similar type work in unresolved areas. any group type help thing is like that.

yeah..we've been there huh with twi... so it's a source on information i can handle that but even little ole me or you can or could see some things clearer then them

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thanks for the info Mark but i can't go with the father concept regarding these people brothers yes but not fathers you and i can write too ya know? "the principal leaders of the Christian Church" that is a matter of who a person is following imo i think it's an independant yet together type thing not something where people follow people words can be said or written and the choices will be there for yourself it's not a thing where you have to answer to someone else but a system of mutual love the words were brought out by the need for them meaning there was someone who would hear them then but for us it's for our learning if we listen, words will direct us from the living now don't hesitate to learn the scriptures but see them as they were seen then to take scriptures and directly apply them to yourself as concrete setinstone commandments limits the ability to see their true intent so rather then "it is written" meaning do this and do that it is written can be seen from outside ourselves as to what it is really saying, what they were talking about and then let these truths develop in our minds and set us off on exploring more of it's meanings none of it was written directly to us individually yet many things can be learned from them and applied when seen in yourself

i've never really understood this phrase still don't get why it's worded like this i'm sure it's meant to mean something about the first century people though

thanks for bringing it back to simple todd i like simple.... can get lost in some realities and not find the way back to that 0 peace

yes....Yes.... we are subject of the object and the object of the subject who can see the ends of the universe? just how big is it? Thanks Roy! and this perspective (as we are terming it) can and needs to expand so as not to be trapped into only one view or 2 or 3 cuz the perspectives are the reality not just a bunch of dust that breaths and as eyes open wider.... there's more then one way to skin a cat as they say in the south or as Spock would say "there's always alternatives" perspective must not leave out "common sense" in the sense of the conclusions seen, and concluded will jive with Life and Love and Light so just looking one way or 2 can destroy one's own ability or desire to see the perspectiveSSSSSSS and lead to wrong conclusions and actions so being limited to image of "self" as seen in a mirror is a narrow perspective seeing more seeing is much more satisfying, peaceful a better image of God who Himself is the image so we can see it now as well as later so there aint no hurry...to be with Christ

to make the object subject to.. or to subject the object to.. mainly watch what you are watching and see that the 2d is 3d and 4d and further easy to see even for the phantom a tapestry of life yes TGN..if the Creator is an object it must also be the subject... darn limitations of words... cuz it's more then the two seen or not seen, it's behind us and in front hmmmm-perspective-without self in mind but the perspective itself to straiten a few things out, not only straightens it but opens the road up to further investigation which is hope, not that nothing was done already, and known but that it continues to surprise around each corner

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this is what they use wtf happened to what Jesus did for us? bunch of bs and they don't know what confess means, sure it's a good idea to say i'm sorry to someone but don't be an idiot about it that husband already confessed before talking to his wife. why hurt her and destroy what they have? that husband confessed-recognized how wrong he was-the storms of self condemnation yeah, it's a hard thing to face when you see your own wrongs don't make 'em worse by acting out of an ungodly motivation

it's not your fault excathedra things happened......... it's not your fault it's not your fault it's not your fault things will be set right it is finished will be seen love always

this personal responsibility / accountability thing is something to hide behind i know what it means

i was in the insurance business at one time i know what it is without the hold harmless agreement they would have to go to Lloyds of London or a similar insurance company that covers high risks, like shuttle launches and things of this nature where major catastrophies are likely, and it will cost a lot of money

well...in the insurance businessthere is liability coverage for instance in the window cleaning business-liability coverage covers everything but the window. if i broke a 10,000 dollar vase or something they would pay for it (minus the deductible) the window is considered to be in your "care, custody and control" and is not covered under liability but can be covered with insurance IF they want to take this risk, and the premium is a whole lot higher-and i mean a lot higher in this momentus thing it is people's lives that are in your care custody and control make sense?

btw-i'm tired of seeing all these cm's in the doctrinal section here. i'll have to quit posting or some more people need to talk or something sheesh

it's figurative but real enough think fish commune-to see him, what it means is to see him more clearly... and that is a good attitude to have imo

yeah that's what i thought too excathedra it could be the reason getting into a group session that forces issues with peer pressure and tactics is a dangerous game... no insurance company would cover such an event knowing what they were going to insure. now i've never done the momentus thing myself so i can't say much confession is good for the soul as they say but to force this issue with such high stakes.... dangerous for those involved you better ****ing know what you are doing buddy and you better SEE when to pull someone out of the group..you are playing with fire if it is the Lord's work you will know it and He can counter any attack on you that comes to the surface....and you can recognize it too-an attack-condemnation from anyone or anything you see in the mind or otherwise in a situation like this will be seen for what it is-it's a lie designed to throw you off of the love of God this i HAVE seen this for real, in the mind, and in other ways, without anyone around there is no condemnation or judgement-judgement as in God is going to hurt you-it's a lie this is dooms day thinking yeah.... God IS LOVE! Do NOT FORGET it!

lol Danny... here it's called the edit button just thought i'd throw that in i'm not scholarly but... :)-->

hmmm...a chip off or of the block of would put everyone together as an object or would it be an object in itself... maybe something different or bigger then.. cuz if we together are an object something must be bigger then it to make it an object so ourselves collectively an object....and...... that would mean i could be bigger then me. not quite as alone as once understood yet me has to be me, an object of an object still... perspectives....

i think the scriptures and old sayings that weren't even written were talked about, discussed and reflected upon in many circles around the campfires in many places and more wisdom was born out of these communions of people as that which is within begins to see more and more of itself

I didn't think for me it would ever be possible to fellowship on this forum. But it seems this has happened, and more then once. It is the most missed part of my life that was taken away from me. To commune with people. And possibly help them. Learning new ways which are old ways to do both.

Amen Mike and perhaps this is what we are after after all. To commune with Jesus who became one with Christ. And how all these pieces fit together to bring out the Christ in us. Ye are gods, Jesus quoting the scripture with understanding. Gods yes but part of a bigger deal. And to see this. To see ourselves, that inner man as part of the whole and not just a god unto ourselves...

btw-that was between 2 different email addresses in case you were wondering

thanks igotout-i haven't fully checked it out myself i just shared between my own computers so far but what do you think of it compared to orb. seems you don't need as powerful of a computer with grouper as compared to orb feedback?

so.....i'm thankful beyond words for the boost onto this horse. it's brought to the heights of joy i've never seen before yet have sunk to the depths of hell to the point of wanting to eat lead... i grow tired of it..going so long trying to help people when it wasn't help at all but found myself wanting to drive them away from what i was in...and now i know a couple of things but know not how to help...this horse needs to pass... so sleep escapes me at times and i dare not jump onto the next horse too soon cuz this one bucks so hard...not sure of the next... common ground? don't see the door so i break thru a window and find it was a wasted effort