CM

Kathy i've seen your posts and know you have much heart imo if i stepped into some areas that have offended, i wish i wouldn't have but such is life, we are human and make mistakes, but God don't and it's good to be able to speak your mind without putting one on the defensive but rather to give an account of our own experiences and learn from each other and there are many things i have to say that cannot be said yet the one thing that still gets me is when one trys to enslave another into there line of thinking in order to gain a follower of themselves, and thinking for yourself is lost and the Spirit of God within us is hindered stifled, quenched and limited so i believe in letting people think and do as they please to that point but sometimes my feathers get ruffled...normal i suppose... and i believe that God has already won life for all and that Jesus became one with the Christ to give us all life, noone will be missed so it's not a push to make anyone see but a search for those looking love always (gotta go to work-will see you around the spot)

well...allow be to go a bit further Kathy, and to any listening it was this mind set that i took the path through this wilderness of the Greasespot Cafe and a few other sites that caught my attention more then five years ago now..... cuz i knew what the wrong way was, this was clear i had to break it's hold on my life and did it to a large degree and thanks to common sense, many greasers and Christ himself, somehow i managed to do it and i was then able to hear different views and consider different thinking so i did and it opened my ears and eyes to listen and see and God was there. i didn't care if the answers came from a 12 year old but i was listening finally, just a bit cuz we know how that old way brain wants to take over our impulses sometimes, and still having to keep this in check i listened and listened and a few were speaking the words of life answers started coming slowly at first then a burst of truth that i had never seen yeah signs and miracles that some i still wonder about... but more importantly a clearing of the air in my mind a straightening of that which had been made crooked and a love that i thought existed, but only dreamed about was right there in my face doing it's work, bigger and greater then thought before so others are different i know but this is what i have seen amd continue to grow in we will all go to heaven, and there is a road to travel where it can be seen now, and it ain't easy but desired, to loose myself to find the answers, so i've found a few

Mark it doesn't surprise me or offend me or hurt me that you do not understand what i said. i didn't say speak in toungues more there is a great lack of understanding about speaking in the toungues of men and angels as described in corinthians VPW and others have taken a shot at what it supposed mean and have been close in my opinion you are expressing yourself from your perspective and what you see. You have not hurt anyone at all. love always and this is simply not true

is the main folder tree highlighted before you select new folder? or the folder where you want to make a subfolder? if there is a + sign next to a folder there are more folders within that one does that help?

Mark had questions. he turned it to verses. i told what the sufferings were in colossians and it has been rejected-so be it maybe another time i could tell of this suffering and Kathy asked me to clarify what i said and what i meant so i did

and it has to be simple or i would never get it i don't think you have to be a scholar heart, love....a desire..looking love most of all

so to take the words af men and for them to bring forth life requires the Christ so i don't take the words of men including those who wrote what we now know as scriptures and call it the truth till i see it myself without a doubt which is faith...and attainable now as it was then and these scriptures that were written so long ago will be words of life as it lives in me or someone else it's the words of the living that i listen to i have the bible in my head already i know the promises i know what it says about what Jesus did for us i know what it says about what we are supposed to already have but i must see it for real here and now and not be fooling myself into thinking i have what i don't if Christ is real, if Christ is in us it must be something that can be known without a book and faith comes by hearing... so i listen to those who are talking and i know that it's a mystery therefore i have to think for myself the best i can and search out words wether they are spiritual and trust that God will reveal it there is no separation between Christ and God and this is in us.... how ready is the ear to hear and the eye to see

yeah Kathy that's how i feel about it but i do listen and consider and it's when the words meet with that God in your mind, and pieces start coming together so i've listened and listened and seen it happen slowly at first like a little candle then a burning inside noone could handle all of what God has to show us a little at a time then a lot then a little so these words i listen for will meet together with the Christ and understanding is there and wisdom must be used there are words that don't give this life there are words that are just the breeze blowing there are words that stir the God inside this is the seeing for myself in the mind gets to have a choice because it's there in view flexible yes because it gets bigger and brings along that which you have already seen bringing it together in the heart and transforms it into greater truth so "make up my mind what to make a standard or take as truth" is not some stone that cannot be moved like "this is what i believe and i'll believe it till i die" sort of thing more of a daily thing, even moment by moment

i don't know about serious TGN... but even the serious is kind of funny sirg-on and off... yeah...if i knew, really knew what i was doing i'd probably be scared to death :P but i do see your point and try not to....so hard looking back... that's how we got started huh..

well this is the original question, but answers are not being looked into yeah Mark..don't try to change my mind..sheesh... just like you i do have my own mind and mine will be flexible enough to see things in a different light you want to take these verses and have them fit into something that will not fit, rather then seeing what was actually going on to make verses "fit" into anything is an approach to what was written that will be and still is missing what they were talking about and doing why not try to understand them? what they were doing and seeing instead of taking the words they used and making them a god you want to understand sufferings then be ready to suffer... and it will come to you, you cannot force it into a current situation it seems you may have lost this joy of learning i hope not

and please don't take the font size as yelling i can barely read the regular font i'll try the #1 font to sound better... hmmm...looks about the same as 2

QUOTE(CM @ Sep 26 2005, 10:39 PM) i understand what you are saying mark but you are not getting the point which is ok with me i'll try to say it better however people have termed what someone has said does not change what they were talking about i am interested in what they were talking about not taking their words and hanging them on the wall to worship these people had no advantage over anyone else what they saw, heard and talked about is still here Then your reply is this- I got the point long ago, the first time you ever posted a question like that to me CM. But, nevertheless, the point of all this is the adoration of God Almighty. Giving Him the due to which He is entitled in the way in which He directed. i don't see where i'm questioning you Mark no problem Kathy i'm cool we're all cool man! :)

not trying to argue different doctrines here i do know more then you may think i'm just trying my best to point out that i nor anyone else should enslave themselves to what other people have said but rather to see for myself and make up my own mind what to make a standard or take as truth and i remain flexible because new things are discovered all the time....

this is guess work at best to say that this term was handed down by the apostles i won't change the word mystery to mystical for my own benifit to chalk it off as something that is not attainable to some degree apparently they knew what they were talking about

i understand what you are saying mark but you are not getting the point which is ok with me i'll try to say it better however people have termed what someone has said does not change what they were talking about i am interested in what they were talking about not taking their words and hanging them on the wall to worship these people had no advantage over anyone else what they saw, heard and talked about is still here

"the divine liturgies and the mystical Body of Christ " i think i'd turn that around the divine Body of Christ.... and the mystical liturgies.... are the words themselves divine? or is it the thing that's being talked about? yeah the mystical writings, keeping many chasing these words and beating them to death till there ain't no life left in them, just becomes some sort of dictionary lost is what was said and meant by these men and women these were people, just like us

so is God an object? is Love an object? is Light an odject? wind... fire...

can anyone make sense of this and what they are doing to correct this problem? http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3562&st=0 thanks

"I felt then that I was looking at CM." uh...that's not me-u mean LCM i hope!

ok dokey-not sure if it's my computer or this site but my curser is changed to highlighting text in most of the sites it will change back to the pointer when placed exactly on a link could just be me.... hold the phone! it's doing it on other sites too-sorry yep it was my pointer-sorry!!!! hey i can't delete posts! kind of good though i guess-lol :)

this is what pops up when this computer starts check the attachment i never did find an answer to this question this is a windows 98 machine

Bringing this back up cuz it seems to me and has been evident in my own life that forgiving myself is probably the hardest thing to do and face. Especially when it involves or involved other people. And as life is, people are always involved in one way or another, cuz just one little ole life affects quite a few imo. So i think there are many good points brought up here by Research Geek on this thread. And my intent is not to restart any hurt. But to look at forgiveness in a different way. To think of it as sort of a fringe benefit of Love. Something that works right along side of it and blends so well. So when the love gets bigger the forgiveness just naturally follows. Not to say that if i don't forgive that i don't love. It's just not something i push myself to do untill i started thinking about forgiving myself. Which put it in a different perspective in my life. So anyways....thanks for the points you made here Geek. They did come to mind.

i suppose we all still need a little duck tape and wd40 sometimes something so make it stick and something to get it unstuck :) which reminds me of somethin' i been meaning to do...

aawww don't worry about it TGN... that's why i jumped in so quick and i knew you weren't on some march against anyone we're big people here :) love always :) :) :)

ok understand the word- but not all baptists teach this so good explanation, but this example is in your experience i was raised lutheran and baptist so i can tell a bit different story about what they taught us about sex