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once the blinders are removed you can see he does physical death happens anyway...lol... and were you there? do you really know all the facts and truths? yes kill-physical death was the ticket for the old but not the new how long you guys want to stay on this topic of killing? i got lots that you haven't heard not from the old but from the new check out the prophecys from Mary and Elizabeth and other words concerning this event word studies on death die dead destroy.... sheesh..why are we so limited on this subject and just want to talk about the killing what about the life that was given what about the results? can you not see any good from what was done? it's a tough thing to die...old or new what was accomplished? how much more is given? the word became flesh limited to Jesus the Christ or now can be accomplished by anyone?

worshipping other gods.... ye are gods.... just how vast and numerous are the choices within reminds me of the days before Noah every imagination of the heart no self control just letting whatever "morals" progress without any backdrop of sensability and going to the tree of life as far as those who were killed they were redeemed not many want to see it yeah, kill the women and children too take care of it before it grows again and attacks...they would not forget like get rid of the one but if it's not time seven worse will return a figure of the spiritual... make sure you are ready to destroy it all destroy this temple and rebuild it as many times as it takes death and destroy is so misunderstood i wouldn't know where to start not that i understand it all but isn't something supposed to die in order for somethin else to live not like boom from a cannon but fast and slow and fast and slow those that were being saved...... god cannot be separated from the human mind it's not possible to kill spirit and when god said things like sin was before his face just whose face do you think he's talking about?

at least you get something in return for your money addiction, maybe, it is relaxing actually better then being addicted to drugs or alcohol

lately i've been feeling bitter viewing things bitterly hopefully it won't root itself and i can change my view i'm sure it'll pass...

very good Groucho kind of turns things a bit scriptures record experiences trying to reproduce them is what VP was after but that was then and this is now where do we begin? or has it already begun it's an individual experience that is to be for me, i stuck with the simole things some proverbs, what Jesus said, common sense can't say i've experienced enough though i got time, but sometimes lack patience

standing in the way of the coming of the Messiah is not a good place to be and repent can be done after this life is dead

repent means change all will change all are accepted some works are not and for good reason doesn't change the love changes your view doesn't change the reality of god or what he is

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060115/ap_on_...oliday_legacy_1 is this the one johniam... not much there if it is

lindyhopper... there are sons and then there are Sons God fathered Adam we are all of Adam

LG I didn't take it as offensive. Just pointing out that what one considers fables - scriptures - is actually what these people were experiencing, seeing and realizing more and more. And yes i've had experiences, but they were and are mine and shared with some personally and on forums that know what i'm talking about. Your statement "Only I knew that it was all an act. I didn’t want it to be an act. I wanted it to be real." Is one of the bravest steps there is to take. Seeing that you don't know takes wisdom. The words you need to hear will come from a person and spark that Christ that is there as a seed within. You have seen words that you do not understand from people here. A consideration of the impossible.... That it just might be.... Some things can only light up the soul from the spirit within.. Cuz the Garden is closer then you think, and the trees are still there. When something appears, that doesn't mean it hasn't always been there anyway. Just not seen, not turning to look. To the fire...the flaming sword...the light A candle...a wind...a breath And from there it will show you, if you can handle it. To dethrone the carnal man and let it die. New wine will burst the old wine skins. To move aside and LET (how many times is that word used) the Lord Come. This God is alive and well. The words are from the heart here and now. Not ancient letters, although they will come to mind. The deadness is not that is not there but not made alive yet. Dead in trespassess and sins has a bit of a different twist then what we were taught. In the mind and heart it is and will not cease to exist.

no double talk to it it's actually a good thing once it's understood

yeah CoolWaters i'd add that it's the Christ cool post

to copy and paste a shortcut right click and click copy shortcut then paste wherever you want i'll try to look it up later i'm at work now

What is the word of God? is it scripture or more then that? personally i am not confined by the scriptures and if one doesn't do the will what happens? many examples in the scriptures not all bad either

post the link johniam

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not everyone sees it that way rather then ideas there is real experience and no i will not tell you mine i'm not that foolish to put that on these boards everyone has a god - like it or not most people are their own gods fine with me, knock yourselves out worship what you think you know rely on your own minds consider not the unseen consider not what there is much that has not been considered assume for the rest of your life there is no god fables....lol....and when these fables become real more real then you expect or ever imagined mercy will be there in hell and heaven known as we are known doesn't stop it continues to expand faith in what has been seen yeah really seen call me a liar, don't care i already have been...lol.. won't even try to prove it there is only one that can missing the points of the parables is a given for many seeing thru a carnal eye, not considering it's alternative realities that hidden right there in front of your face been there all along, just hasn't been seen cuz it has not been shown to you and will be shown to you by only one clues are endless yet missed many just don't want to look

who cares anyway?

Christianity should also include some of the other religious beliefs of the world to get a more rounded view of the perspective of a god. Eastern religions have been despised in general by the western ones. This should be reconsidered. There are many mutual beliefs between the west and east. One could search it out and see for themselves. Cuz i'm just old clay, generally ignored and not considered one that can help in some manner. But that's alright with me, i don't mind. A few hear. So for one to take it upon themselves to look and search things out that have been brought up over the past 5 years right here at greasespot takes some doing and undoing. Like a friggin book i've tryed to document what my main hurtles of faith have been here in these pages. And they can be seen by the new eye. Although i know everyone is different, despite our common experiences in twi. So there is not a common denominator except the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Creater. Assuming for a moment that there is no God can be healthy and give a different perspective. What parts are missing? Are all the pieces fitting together without a god. And is this god some external being or is it an internal presence or both? So starting from scratch, do we ignore things or take them into consideration. Morals and rational thinking are built into every person. The right to choose is ours. It hasn't anything to do with religous beliefs but rather the foundation laid from the beginning.

thanks for the input Yanagisawa perhaps this thread still has life if it stays on the topic

"You just can't deal with dissenting statements of unbelief w/o feeling persecuted about it?" no just ignorance and narrow mindedness and you are reading me feeling persecution INTO what i said you don't even know what i said...lol

so stay with what you think go ahead and post you stand by what you say not for long things change i go by what i know and don't know what i see and know is to be seen this thread is over and done with the end

speaking of posts from the start of this thread... i never said that or implyed it, but you took what i said and are applying that to many situations that i did not address i am talking about possession as it is talked about in the scriptures you want to start on mental illness then start a thread on mental illness it is a known fact and truth that people have been delivered from demons, known to me and i am willing to take a closer look by way of understanding spirit more there is no end of enlightenment to see if you choose to not look at it and consider these things then don't, cause you are stopping those who want to discuss it just like the other thread i started on the air, life, heart subject i will not shut up about it or the other things i have seen and heard i will take the heat of whatever anyone has to throw at me if they so choose, but i say you are wasting your time cause it just might be possible that there is something that can be explored and lo and behold seen for the first time noone is the beginning and end of all knowledge the alpha and omega....who dares to take a peek

so i'm obviously talking about spiritual if you got some thing lets hear it if you don't believe in spiritual then why post at all? am i a threat to you? just because you can't see don't mean others can't why waste your time on me? you said- "I am speaking about/from my own observations/experiences about what I see regarding this area" is that all there is to see? perhaps there is more and yes let's bring out the rest of those who object to any thing they can't see or feel let's just squash anything that don't fit into what your little world wants to acknowledge "i don't know" is a perfectly fine answer to that which you do not understand but no, it's gotta fit into some capsule of human experience and actually seeing something failure to understand the simple basics of seeing is part of the limitations of many

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children. It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream. I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring. And when this happens, When we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"