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the opening verse of the class how much was stolen from us? how much of it was that they might have life and have it more abundantly? And in context of this scripture tells you where this class belongs. Trying to enter some other way besides the Christ.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...ngdom+of+heaven some interesting points in these hits and no i don't agree with this- "Before we go further, it is necessary to clarify the difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God has no beginning and no ending. The Kingdom of God spans all existence. However [here is the detail that was neglected and never mentioned] under this all-expansive Kingdom of God are several periods, one of which is the Kingdom of Heaven. The Kingdom of Heaven period is for the called-out of Israel, the church of Israel, which is the bride of Christ. Each time the Kingdom of Heaven is referred to, the personal presence of the King Himself upon earth is designated. [This is not necessarily true when the bible refers to the Kingdom of God however - that the King (Jesus) upon earth is also designated.] The word "kingdom" is made up of two words: king and dom meaning "reign or supremacy." There cannot be a kingdom without a king. Great Britain can speak of itself as a kingdom because of the reign of a king or queen. Citizens of the United States of America cannot speak of their land as a kingdom for there is no monarch. While Jesus Christ was on earth, it was His reign. During His reign He called out those people of Israel who believed in Him as the Messiah. Not only did Jesus Himself minister to the people of Israel, but He also sent the twelve apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He told them not to go unto the Gentiles because Jesus had come unto God's own, Israel, and called out from Israel those who were to make up the bride. Jesus Christ was the Bridegroom. The church, the called-out of Israel, was called the bride while the Bridegroom was on the earth. But what happened to the Bridegroom? He was nailed to the cross. When the King of the Kingdom was crucified, the church as the bride was interrupted because the Bridegroom was dead. As previously noted, God promised that there would be no end to the Kingdom of Heaven, but man killed the King.* [The * points to this footnote: Luke 1:33 "And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."] What happened to God's promise? God promised that when the King came He would build the church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. But the when the King was crucified, the Bridegroom was dead, and it appeared that the Kingdom had been defeated. However, this is not so, for the church of the bride is yet to be fulfilled in the future. The same church referred to in Revelation is again the church of the bride, just as it ws in the Gospels.* it is not true what he says about the presence of the king it don't hold up in fact hardly any of it holds up to the evidence in the scriptures Jesus Christ is King now and the book of Revelations is not about what he says it is

what is on the other side of the vail....

yeah good post Cynic-that says what twi taught via VPW's direction man no longer had Spirit, God is Spirit, so he no longer had God another lie from a confused man an inner spiritual view of what seems to be something that is physical would reveal that the Garden and the Holy Spirit and God are not separated from man the Son of God, Christ, is not separate from God Jesus Christ-the same yesterday, today and forever how can this be-a surface look reveals little a spiritual approach to what really was happening, is happening and will happen would be the most beneficial approach to something that is spiritual Life is spiritual

17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. 3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

yeah...lol..in some books "we have the mind of Christ" written long before p@(%*ingfl once again you *%^#* on the first century believers

Christ at work.... Revelation 2:1Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

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ok, lets just do acts for starters. acts 2, did they know it was available for them to speak the wonderful works of God? how bout Peter, did he know an angel would open the prison door for him? If there is one place where this saying don't work. "you have to know what's available to receive anything from God" then it simply is not true.

ex10 Mike isn't interested in what pfal taught. He promotes himself and his version of it. Using it to snare others into his trap of exploitation. And confusing the topic as always. Changeing it to Worshipping VPW, because of his hatred for God, and godly people. Always putting people like Paul and the others down beneath VPW..his god.

lol...Modaustin... ok i'll take session 1 nope-not true read bible....

there ya go oldies, show us what it means... nah you can't do it huh, might want to notice it doesn't mention Spirit it don't need to, the ones hearing knew what he was talking about

most excellent post rascal the Holy Spirit the new birth affects everything in you what a person does with it that's another story....

yes it does

OMG..... you will switch and turn to suit your host too many wrong turns Mike PFAL does not give life nor does it give what it or VPW promised you have narrowed it down very clear for us you are a disgrace to those who did "master" pfal they know it don't work in their hearts there is no "teacher" there is Christ Jesus the Lord peace to you i hope one day

if Jesus is at the right hand of God then finding God would find where Jesus is i don't think it's some distant place that can not be reached Jesus said he was going away, and the comforter would come what really happened? obviously Jesus was different after the resurrection as he appeared to many in Acts 1 he ascended, but how far away? Jesus appearing and disappearing and the 2 men that said he would return in like manner the manner in which he left is a cloud received him out of their sight Acts 1:9 out of sight but not out of mind :)

hmmm...yeah ex10 his body temples are a figure of the spiritual when they worshipped in the temple they weren't worshipping the temple, but just in it i think there is more to John 2:18 and the other references then we may expect the earthly which is the new birth (ref-Jesus talking to nic-born of water and spirit) and the spiritual-that which was and is and will be

When Jesus said destroy this temple and rebuild it in three days referring to himself what did he mean? was he some how changed? this would make Jesus different then what he was in the gospels

the proof is confirmed when seen the word is real when seen what it says it's not history it's not stories it's the way it is from the mind into the mind started with the heavens and earth gen 1:1 the big picture .... figure of speech? nah.... a new way of seeing what was done and continues to this day to see that this isn't just a story but that which was and is and will be staying cornered into some kind of mind games and tricks or wisdom that does not reveal the things hidden from the beginning

haven't listened to it cuz this comp at work is not geared for it but there is some interesting things about it when googled here's one http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...20;&version=15;

everything points to you must be something there something that is of value there isn't anyone who doesn't have abilities to see the universe to hear the angels to detach from yourself and see where the spirit leads what is that would motivate a man to do what Jesus did he must have seen something something real and here and now knowing the scriptures wasn't it it offered support only the word from the spirit believed has power and just who was Jesus defeating in the wilderness the spirit led him there he was there alone.... scripture quoting came from where? Satan quoted scripture-so did Jesus where was this happening? there is only one God the others are illusions

there is no alternate universe this is it

take this forum and give to the first century and see what they think and i ain't kidding either those writers knew what they were experiencing and writing about none of it was written to us, but to who it says it is these experiences coincide with the unchanging Lord and God

lol oaks.... it is an interesting discussion for starters...and this is very 1st grade replacing one word for another-same meaning a thesoraus kind of.... alternate views, unconsidered paths understood by angels...one's own angels and those of others who can hear the toungue and understand ears to hear eyes to see how many times did Jesus say this?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%...%22&btnG=Search lol.... the Lord Jesus Christ does the saving what is the word of God talking ABOUT! IS THE QUESTION!