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mike is just happy he has all of you responding to his non-sense this is what he wants-and he has it of course you are all free to do as you please mike of course is not free and wants to lock up as much feedom as he can that others enjoy

ok-try it this way right click the file click copy go to the drive you want to put it in open the drive up right click an empty place in the drive folder click paste that should copy the file to the new hard drive open the file on the new hard drive to make sure everything is there be sure everything is there before the next step go back to the drive you copyed it from and delete the file hit f5 and then check the properties of that drive by right clicking the drive and click properties

i see a great fear of what the motive of this info is for if you guys knew Todd like i know Todd you would know that his questions are to inspire thought within yourselves and to see a bit of a different perspective then you are used to not to further himself or to make himself some hot shot at this forum but to jump start some of you into new light to see the light in you you guys have the basics of scripture you know what is seen when there are selfish motives there are no selfish motives or goals here from Todd and perhaps a fear of seeing new light on any given subject happy to be out of the way and able to think for yourself so here it is, think for yourself different avenues of light and growth and wisdom multiple avenues that can be explored or perhaps some are still stuck in way doctrine thinking there is someone out there somewhere to get you how much do you really see happening? do you see that where you are is where you want to be? this thread opened up for you not for Todd although Todd wants to learn as well if there was participation are we still self-centered or able to open the heart? did twi beat the LOVE OUT OF US? did they win? and also thanks to those who already are participating and this goes for all the threads he has started by the way

How are you moving the file exactly if i may ask what procedure-step by step

Hi Sirg! lol...that's what it is and we are anyways dicovering it and seeing it is the challenge and then of course relating and communicating it to others Big challenge there, but somehow it will evolve into that as many seem to like the limits they have placed on their own thinking which is fine for many, but few dare to discover the potential they already have to choose to live in a limited state of thinking or see the changes to see the changes that can occur...and will occur i believe the mind/soul was built to change, grow, evolve so many want to limit others too with their words and stop the growth that is trying to stretch with the foundations of clear thinking and love there is no limits/ as a child sees/ so can we

Testing Mike Need to Control: A Self-Assessment DIRECTIONS: Review the following reasons you may feel the need to control people, places, and things in your life. Put an ``X'' next to those reasons usually true for you. ___ 1. If you control other people, they will do what you want them to do. ___ 2. It's a way to keep everything orderly, precise, and predictable, so that you don't go crazy or insane. ___ 3. You hate to be out of control or to lose your control. ___ 4. If things don't go your way, then you feel you'll have to work harder or have to struggle to reorganize and correct them. ___ 5. You have a hard time seeing people you care for hurting because their lives are out of control. ___ 6. You hate to have people see your true feelings especially if they are angry, unpleasant, or negative so you struggle to control them and keep them in so as not to upset others. ___ 7. You are on the watch for being taken advantage of by others. ___ 8. You are afraid of being manipulated or led into doing something you really don't want to do. ___ 9. When you see something or someone who needs to be fixed, you often step in. ___ 10. You came from a dysfunctional or crazy homelife and you have no desire to repeat it in your current homelife. ___ 11. You have an image, dream, or ideal of the way things are supposed to be and you work at trying to get it to be that way. ___ 12. You are afraid that if you don't take care of things, things will never get done. ___ 13. You feel if "you don't do it, then no one will.'' ___ 14. You are afraid that everything you have worked for will be lost, so you take control to ensure this doesn't happen. ___ 15. When you feel intimidated, you compensate by taking more control of the situation. ___ 16. You find it difficult not to help when you are presented with a person or thing which appears helpless and out of control. ___ 17. You tend to hold to an "it's my way or the highway'' approach with people who don't do what you want them to do. You hope this will ensure they change their bad behaviors. ___ 18. You are frightened, scared, or nervous when things seem to be crazy or out of control so your first impulse is to take charge. ___ 19. You want everybody in your immediate life to be happy and you'll do whatever it takes to make it so. ___ 20. You know how hard life can be on those who go into it unprepared and unaware, so you do whatever it takes to make sure the people you care for are not taken advantage of. INTERPRETATION: If you checked 3 or more, you have a tendency to overcontrol the people, places, and things in your life. Control Mechanisms: A Self-Assessment DIRECTIONS: Here are some ways in which you control people to do for you the things you could do for yourself. Put an ``X'' next to those behaviors usually true for you. ___ 1. You act helpless, incompetent, or lost. ___ 2. You make the other person feel very important and essential in your life. ___ 3. You tell them reasons which are a lie why you couldn't get things done. ___ 4. You feel self-pity and act out the belief that you have done everything for everyone in your life so it's your turn now to be taken care of. ___ 5. You act tense, anxious, and stressed out and incapable of caring for yourself. ___ 6. You resort to threats of suicide or self-destruction to get others to care for you. ___ 7. You give others a set of conditions they must do for you before you will give them acceptance, care, or approval. ___ 8. You offer them rewards if they will do what you want done. ___ 9. You threaten others with withdrawal of attention, support, affection, or approval if they don't do what you want done. ___ 10. You withhold your involvement, attention, and concern if they don't do what you want done. ___ 11 You play on their sympathy and concern by being a pathetic martyr, overworked and unappreciated victim. ___ 12. You play on your physical or emotional illness, be it real or perceived, to get them to do for you. ___ 13. You play on their need to be needed to get them to take care of you. ___ 14. You play up to their guilt and overresponsible nature to get what you want. ___ 15. You act dependent in order to give the other a sense of importance and value in helping you. ___ 16. You fall apart when faced with having to do something which you would rather not do. ___ 17. You play up to a person who has a need to fix things that things have gotten so "out of control'' for you. ___ 18. You promise to change or reform the behaviors the other wants you to change in order to get what you want out of the other, never meaning to change or reform. ___ 19. When you sense another person is pulling away from you, you feign a problem or need which you believe will get that person involved with you again. ___ 20. You act as if you have forgotten to do something which you know the other will do for you. INTERPRETATION: If you checked 3 or more items, you overuse control mechanisms to get people to do what you could do for yourself. Now find out if others are controlling you to do things for them they could do for themselves. Go back and put an ``X'' next to those statements true for people in your life. If 3 or more are checked, then you are being overcontrolled by others to do for them what they could do for themselves. Emotional Response: A Self-Assessment DIRECTIONS: Here are some ways in which you could control your emotional response to life. Put an ``X'' next to the statements which are usually true for you. ___ 1. You allow yourself to be free, open, and expressive to the feelings you are experiencing at the moment. ___ 2. You usually do not try to hide your feelings, be they positive or negative. ___ 3. You are usually able to accept the consequences of others' response to your positive or negative feelings. ___ 4. You are able to freely express your anger, in an assertive confrontation mode with no raging, yelling, screaming, ranting, or raving at other people. ___ 5. You do not avoid letting others know if you are angry with them and yet you don't blow your cool in the telling. ___ 6. You can show enjoyment, excitement, and enthusiastic feelings when the event appropriately calls for such a response. ___ 7. You are able to openly cry and grieve a loss event in your life. ___ 8. You are able to do anger workouts over old, unresolved anger in your life so as to free yourself of the emotional burden and drain these repressed and unresolved feelings have on your emotional energy. ___ 9. You are able to express your violent rage and anger outbursts privately so that you can return to people in a more composed way to let them know in a healthy assertive way how angry you are. ___ 10. You are able to analyze your emotions at the time and to see if they are congruent or in synch with your thinking and actions. If they are not, you are able to figure out why and what to do about it. ___ 11. You are able to not allow self-pity to be a driving force in your attitude about freely giving of your time and energy to accomplish what you want out of life. ___ 12. If people in your life are acting out of control, you are able to freely express your feelings of disappointment or disagreement and yet not get hooked into being out of control with them. ___ 13. If you feel intimidated by another person, you freely admit your feelings to yourself and choose not to let this person control the way you feel, think, or act. ___ 14. You are able to admit feeling powerless over those things out of your control to change, fix, or rescue. ___ 15. You are able to feel at ease and have serenity in letting go of the uncontrollables and unchangeables in your life. ___ 16. You do not feel you are alone in having to deal with the pressures of life because you feel you have a Higher Power to whom you can hand the uncontrollables and unchangeables over which you feel powerless. ___ 17. You feel detached from the behaviors, actions, and negative aspects of the people in life for whom you care a great deal and yet are not able to fix, rescue, or change. ___ 18. You are able to feel good about yourself with no guilt or remorse when you feel detached from the people with whom you have had toxic relationships in the past. ___ 19. You do not let fantasies, dreams, traditions, or promises of the way things are supposed to be interfere with your rationally experiencing life the way it really is. ___ 20. You have no need to be invisible or on guard so as not to be vulnerable to feeling hurt or pain, because you feel it is better for you to be vulnerable in life to experience authentic human growth. INTERPRETATION: If you checked 17 or less, then you need to work on control of your emotional life so that you cease to use overcontrol of other people in your life to feel good about yourself. You need to handle your own feelings and not give others the power to affect the way you feel or express your feelings. Your feelings are something which you have the ability to control and change. They, along with your thinking and actions, are the only controllables and changeables you can influence, alter, or change. What is locus of control? Locus of control means where you place the power to influence how you feel about yourself and others. It is important to determine if the locus of control is external or internal to figure out if you are susceptible to being controlled by others. External Locus of Control External locus of control is giving other people, places, and things the power to influence your feelings about yourself. External locus of control places approval, recognition, acceptance, reinforcement, and affirmation of self-worth into the hands of other people, places, and things. Unless others approve, recognize, accept, reinforce, or affirm your worth, then you feel worthless, non-approved, unrecognized, not accepted, and non-reinforced. This makes you susceptible to being controlled by others' thinking, emotions, and actions. Internal Locus of Control: Internal locus of control is giving yourself the power to influence your feelings about yourself. Internal locus of control places self-approval, self-recognition, self-acceptance, self-reinforcement, and self-affirmation of worth into your own hands. In this way it is only up to you and your own efforts at self-love and care to feel worthwhile, valuable, competent, skillful, creative, knowledgeable, and capable of living your life for yourself and not controlled by others. You are then fully responsible for your own thinking, emotions, and actions in life. Locus of control is a ``power'' issue Locus of control is a ``power'' issue. If you give others power over you, you overemphasize external locus of control in your life. On the other hand, if you empower yourself, you emphasize internal locus of control in your life. In order to handle the control issues in your life, it is better to emphasize internal locus of control so that you are able to let go of the need to control and change others and concentrate on controlling and changing yourself. What are some myths and realities about control? Myths Realities 1. The more I exercise control on others, the more control I'll have in life. Because others are free to accept or reject your control, the resulting dynamic tension between the controlled and controller creates a circumstance in life which is more out of control than you first desired. The more you let go of control over others, the more control you will have over your internal locus of control. 2. I am not controlling people when I am helping them or trying to fix things for them. You are controlling them, however, when you are fixing or helping them and they are not taking personal responsibility and control of their own lives as a result of your assistance. 3. If I manipulate others to do what I want them to do, this is not controlling them. You are exercising them to do what you want because they are not of their own free will deciding to do what it is you want them to do. 4. I am not controlling others if they are unintentionally intimidated by me and go along with what I want them to do. If you are unintentionally placed in an external locus of control position by others, they have put you in a position of power over them. You are in control over them even though you are not aware of this at the time. 5. I should be in control of everything that is important in my life. Unfortunately you are powerless to control most people, places, and things in your life since you can only be fully in control of your internal locus of control and your own thoughts, emotions, and actions. 6. I should hold onto and help the people in my life whom I see are having problems taking care of themselves in acceptable, self-responsible and self-controlling ways. The more you try to hold onto these people, the harder they will pull away or the weaker and more dependent on you they will become. It is better to become emotionally detached from their problems and let them solve them on their own so that they still can relate to you in a free and open way. 7. Other people will condemn me if I become detached from the people close to me. It makes no difference what others think about you. What is important is helping the people in your life to become more self-responsible and self-controlling of their own lives. 8. I should never let go of those things I am trying to control and change because if I do I'd be considered a failure. Your struggle to control and change things outside of your internal locus of control is going to wear you down and possibly break you. You will be healthier, happier, and more in control of your life if you let go of the uncontrollables and unchangeables in your life. 9. If I love someone, I should always be there of them even if they become a little dependent on me for a while. You're a person who could possibly love a person so much that you contribute to that person's inability to become self-responsible and in self-control of life. In reality your love may make the person overdependent on you. Love is learning to let go of the uncontrollable and unchangeable people in your life. 10. When people are helpless, I should step in and take over to help them get on their feet. People might appear helpless to helpless to you but they often have inner reserves of competence, skills, and ability to solve their own problems. If you take over their problems for them, this might disable them from being productive problem solvers and agents for their own change. By always taking over, you encourage their overdependence on you. 11. When things are not going the way they should, I should take control of the situation to make it the way it's supposed to be. You are being irrationally led by your dreams, fantasies, tradition, and promises of how life should be. In your idealism you can become so overcontrolling as to ensure opposite desired reality will occur 12. I should take care of things because they will happen the way they are supposed to. A caretaker works hard at being sure that everything is the way it is supposed to be for everyone. This overcontrolling behavior succeeds in disabling people who are being cared for and then things are never the way they are supposed to be. You never get what you really want when you are overcontrolling. Steps to handling the need to control In order for you to be better able to handle the need to control, follow these steps. Step 1: First, identify what control issues you need to work on in order to have the ability to let go of the need to control. To identify the issues, use the topics from this book to help you identify what you need to work on. Put an ``X'' next to those issues you need more work on. ___ Intimidation ___ Idealism ___ Need to fix ___ Caretaker behaviors ___ Accepting powerlessness ___ Letting go of the uncontrollables and unchangeables ___ Developing detachment ___ Unconditional acceptance and love ___ Overdependency ___ Manipulation ___ Dealing with suicide ___ Survival behaviors ___ Developing self-control Step 2: Identify how you overuse control in your life and identify the irrational reasons why you do this. In your journal review the reasons you checked why you control people, places, and things and then identify what irrational, unhealthy thinking explains why this is so. Step 3: Next identify how you control others to do for you what you could do for yourself. Identify in your journal the items you checked in Section II of this Chapter and then identify the irrational, unhealthy thinking that explains why this is so. Step 4: Next identify how others control you to do for them what they could do for themselves. Identify in your journal the items you checked for others in Section II of this Chapter. Then identify your irrational and unhealthy thinking that allows you to let them control you in this way. Step 5: Next identify how you control your emotional response to life. In your journal respond to the following questions which are based on your responses to Section III of this Chapter. A. How well do you control your emotional response to life? B. How much power do you give to other persons, places, and things to affect your thinking, feelings and actions? C. How often are your feelings out of control? How does it make you feel to recognize your feelings are out of control? D. What irrational thinking underlies the over or undercontrol of your emotional life? Step 6: Next you need to determine where you currently place the locus of control in your life. To do this, respond to this inventory by putting an ``X'' next to the statements which are usually true for you. ___ A. You are able to maintain control of your belief in yourself as a good and worthwhile person despite what others tell you about yourself. ___ B. You accept and love yourself unconditionally at all times even in the midst of troubles, problems, failure, and pressure. ___ C. You give no one but you the power to influence how you think, feel and act. ___ D. You do not need other people's approval, recognition, and acceptance in order to believe in yourself as a good and worthy person. ___ E. Your self-esteem is strong enough that you rarely are emotionally affected by what people say to or about you. ___ F. You are not affected emotionally about the response others give you when you assertively let them know how you feel even if the feelings are angry or negative in nature. ___ G. You are able to openly assert your anger and negativity in a constructive way with others. ___ H. You are not intimidated to say how you feel by the loss of approval or loss of acceptance from someone who might not like what you have to say. ___ I. You do not feel dependent financially, emotionally, or physically on any person other than yourself and thus feel free to speak freely and let others know what you think, feel or do. ___ J. You are able to openly admit when you have made an error or mistake or when you have experienced a failure in life. If you were only able to check 7 or fewer of these items, your locus of control is more external than internal. If you had a healthy internal locus of control, you would have checked all but one or two of the items. If your locus of control is external, then you need to work at strengthening your belief in yourself by self-affirmations and self-esteem enhancement work. Begin to tell yourself: A. I am a good person who needs only my own approval, recognition, and acceptance. B. I accept and love myself unconditionally. C. I am a worthwhile person deserving to be respected and given a chance to succeed in life. D. I am a good person on my own. E. I can make it on my own if I need to. F. I will work at controlling and changing only me and my outlook on life. G. I am the source of approval and recognition I need to succeed. H. I think I can be less controlling of others. I. I know I can be less controlling of others. J. I know I will be in more control of my own life. Step 7: Next you need to rid yourself of the myths about control. You need to accept that the less control you exercise over other people, places, and things the more control you will have in your own life. Step 8: You next need to work through the next 14 chapters of this book. Step 9: If you find you still are having problems with control issues after completing this entire book, return to Step 1 and begin again. from- http://www.coping.org/control/need.htm

That's cool CWF. I came on too strong anyway. I really don't go for the phrase "universal salvation". But life for all. It says that there will be priests. Which would require inhabitants to minister to. Thinking of the lake of fire revvel. Would that not coincide with the love of God? The ones already passed from death to life, had already experienced this fire. Yet there purification is not quite complete. Still having this carnal man hanging around, bugging us. And wouldn't it be hell to see the carnal man die? The self of flesh and carnal thinking? I don't think that anyone escapes the lake of fire. Which is not literal but can get pretty hot. Requiring the latter rain of this baptism.

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I've already given it more thought then you know. Do you know anything about Revelations? Do you know anything about the lake of fire? Do you even know what you are talking about? From your posts you do not address many things that are apparent in the scriptures. You do not address life sir and that is where you fail. Jesus did not waste his efforts. God did not start this for all of it to end. "There is none righteous no not one" It is His righteousness not ours. God has already blessed. The blind cannot see it, though they try to lead others. 3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. 9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17And the way of peace have they not known: 18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

pfft toungues, languages... if you know nothing about working on cars and hear someone talking about it would that not be speaking a different language? a toungue of car repair? same basic idea so becoming agnostic is easy, if one is not looking for spiritual words being said listening for those spiritual words and it won't be some complicated mass of stupidity displayed on 2 threads in particular remember the wisdom from above is described in James and it's simple and logical and this wisdom includes and supersedes the worldly wisdom this is why many wrestle with the spiritual cause they can't see beyond a book

hmmm...just a few things i think of... honesty honest with yourself honest with others logic common sense the ability to consider to be able to see yourself from outside yourself to be able to see another's pov

Death is being promoted here on this thread on this forum physical suicidal death i have followed this from the time he started this i know what i'm talking about his new administration teaching that is in the archives will confirm the same and it will surface again i hope noone is believing this stuff moderators-i'm reporting my own post you guys know that i've seen some things you may have missed of course it's your call and your forum if you don't ban mike, i don't know what will happen but i felt i had to say it, so it's said

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Hi Danny, Yeah that word perfect doesn't really say much. Common sense obviously tells the mind that this is not possible. A great lack of understanding of the word perfect is apparent in many circles. To see that being perfect does not mean no mistakes. But as Luke puts it-compassion. As well as John-love. So as it starts it also continues to unfold. From love to love compassion to compassion tenderness to tenderness producing a heart that cannot be broken.

bonding what? loving what? and it is a nice verse

Fine with me Mike. But you were using my name and what you think i said to back up what you are saying. Plus you made it sound as if that was the exact words i used then changed your tune when confronted with it. I will not go any further with you on this matter. End of discussion. End of communication. I will have to put you on ignore at this time.

I don't care what it looks like to you Mike. You are not seeing correctly. Please do not use my name again in your assumptions. Thank you.

good answer by the way CWF when we know we don't know something that helps And revvel I'm not trying to put you in any kind of bad light at all. I just can't go the direction you are going that's all. Not at this time anyway. But there are different thoughts on this matter. Peace.

i never said "the spritual dominating the physical" please note the misquote here thank you

bad is that which enslaves a person but seen through a different lens it can be turned unto the pure all things are pure and that's quite the process to arrive also to see that all things work together for good for them that love god It will only be seen by those looking and as God has promised they will find the all good lies in the hands of God not men and will be seen by men as He enlightens the eyes to more then the very little that pfal has to offer for pfal is limited and has limited itself by it's own doing

there is some good things in pfal as well as religion and science and theologys eastern religions also contribute to learning and most especially people from all walks of life God is not limited to anything in communicating

Romans 14:11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Philippians 2:10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 1 Timothy 4:9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11These things command and teach. These are very clear as well CWF.

well i thought you had questions revvel. I was into exploring the questions more. But you are giving answers. So I can't continue with this line of reasoning. cause it seems you have already decided what is and is not. Peace

I don't buy it Mike, and not likely the truth either. Everyone is getting tired of that lame excuse Mike. Go back over the thread yourself.

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