SafariVista

Well...

I really DON'T LIKE:

Lying

Drugs

Lazyness

Mean People

the fat that keeps settling on my butt

Non-communicating husband

Stinky garbage can in the Summer

Customer Service that have too many prompts before reaching a real person

Kids playing screened games all day

Think that covers everything

Nauseating Shivers.................

Oh my gosh... how do you do that?!?!

Thanks for the greeting

Love that! What a SHOW!

"Well", replies Little Johnny, "He has a little thing to go to the bathroom with, and a great big one to clean the baby sitter's teeth with!"

ewwww.... ewwwwww.... oh my gawd... ewwwwww... shoot that man

Sounds Good CoolChef... :)

whew.... that was some difficult reading

um... don't scare the baby

j/k

argue away ;)

Funny - there is so much polarization on GSC these days - and lots of it from us old folks. I don't really care who posts what and don't care much about moderation or sparing anyone's feelings (for you TempleLady - and yes I agree with you) And yes I dislike TWI as much as anyone on here - a few who know me - well they can tell some somewhat rebellious stories -

But ya know what I miss the most??? Back when we were just a bunch of hippies playing Jesus freak - going to the ROA and lighting up before going to a concert at the main stage - Maybe listening to some Jerry Garcia afterwards and talking about God - not PFAL.... we never talked about PFAL back then - it was just God - and fun. Ooops - I am probably posessed for thinking fondly of those thoughts - grins.

Yeah... what happened?... :( Well, the answer to that has been plastered all over the place here. Too bad too, sounds like a whole group of you were having a wonderful time... having fun, talking about God... how sweet is that :)

If the ‘repeat of history‘ is inevitable, this seemingly un-natural UNION, clearly pooh-poohed upon by TRADITIONAL groups, will at some point be accepted as a CHOICE.

As the Amish continue to forsake electricity and other conveniences of MAN, there are now MANY Amish that have PAY PHONES by their BARNS... Who’d a thunk…

Pineapple - Hawaiin, topical

Pizza - ITALIAN, EUROPEAN

do we really need a geography lesson?

Maybe the 'plane flying into the Pentagon', Waco, Okalahoma City bombing and the Holocaust all have something in common ... (and many others I'm sure)

:blink:

What’s your thoughts on critical thinking? What works for you when you’re trying to think clearly about something?

Hey T-Bone, thanks for sharing on this!

Your post here prompted all kinds of thought & emotion for me. Since my exit from TWI, critical thinking has been the key to my safety and peace of mind.

Your questions brought back MY first few months out of TWI. It was a sobering time. Flooded with many emotions. Feeling empty and alone, feeling free, yet, not knowing which way to go. Many tears, hours of piano playing, singing loudly… THINKING & THINKING some more…

OBSERVING life going on around me. WONDERING why the SIMPLE things in life SEEMED so foreign to me. HOW could I understand and attain this normalcy, fist as an individual, then for our family?

So, like anything NEW, critical thinking is taking time to learn and develop.

The following is from Critical Thinking: Tools for Taking Charge of Your Professional and Personal Life by Richard Paul and Linda Elder, co. 2002, Financial Times Prentice Hall, pages 7,11,13,15:

“…You develop as a thinker when you explicitly notice the thinking you are doing and when you become committed to recognizing both strengths and weaknesses in that thinking. You develop as a thinker as you build your own ‘large screen’ on which to view your thinking…

…One of the most important things you can do for yourself is to begin the process of becoming a ‘critic’ of your thinking. …

Again, what I notice in my own thinking, is the knee-jerk responses that fit with TWI logic & teaching... so the development begins, and it's DIFFICULT to say the least.

Excellence in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated.

What’s your thoughts on critical thinking? What works for you when you’re trying to think clearly about something?

My thought is, critical thinking is necessary for safety and quality of life. It is necessary for quality friendships to begin, grow and survive, and for an individual's peace of mind to be accquired and maintained.

The KEY working component of this process for me, at this time is being QUIET. Questioning and Learning about myself, and how it became the norm for me to blindly accept what TWI dished out. NOT allowing the knee-jerk responses to FLY. Observation in the beginning was painful, realizing HOW my robotic thought patterns were CUTTING out some of the most wonderful things in LIFE!

Seems silly to argue about 'what that letter says' since we have SEEN what the men actually did.

Both Weirwille & O'l Loy taught that someone could become 'SPIRITUAL' enough to 'HANDLE' things that were immoral and illegal. They EXPECTED their committed CORPS to STAND with them.

Both these men were experts at twisting WORDS... and it's being exposed!

from WordWolf~ He taught the most RIDICULOUS NONSENSE, and when honest questions

came up, all were expected to just accept it and BURY any doubts.

This was the era where it was ALWAYS expected that you would

OBEY, OBEY, OBEY-whether Regional Coordinator or new guy at fellowship-

and told that if the command was disastrous,

"GOD WILL COVER."

There are probably PLENTY of letters out there that make these two look good to the unknowing... but we've seen the FACTS & REALITY OF IT ALL. :(

Evidently what they wrote and what it meant were two different things~

Dang outofdafog!

What non-sense! Telling our children who they can and can't date? (I do remember that thinking... oh, that's right, I married a 'believer'... someone said it can ALWAYS work between two BELIEVERS)

Now, talking, teaching, and most importantly, being a good example... it seems 'the wrong' person wouldn't be very appealing to young people.

Controlling our children as TWI directs, breeds immature young people who may gladly rush off in the wrong direction. They will lack confidence in decision making, and fall prey to someone who's willing to tell them what to do! Maybe that's why parents in TWI are told NOT to allow their college kids to MOVE too FAR AWAY... so parents can keep dictating!

OMG! I just remembered Donna teaching that as kids get older THEY NEED MORE SUPERVISION! It's all coming back to me :(

A young person is looking forward to their FREEDOM! Freedom from parents and being told what to do... freedom to make their own choices...

My daughter has a boyfriend. Several other boys have had their 'eye' on her, and many have asked her out. She's sticking with this one guy. The 'friends' were getting together for a bon-fire, and one of the girls invited a boy that had been 'turned down' recently. I said, 'that doesn't sound like a very good idea'

Well... she came home with a big story. When the 'turned down' guy showed up... it was a stare down between him & the 'boyfriend', for at least 3 HOURS! She said she's never been so uncomfortable in her life... That learning couldn't have come JUST from my words OR any Bible verse!

Mature adults realize there is only so much they can do for their children. The more experiences they have, the more they'll learn, and the stronger they'll be.

Always be ready to help and comfort... Unfortunately, what we've seen in TWI, the kids that stray, get CUT OFF until they decide to COME BACK TO THE HOUSEHOLD (again… my way or the Highway… immaturity, pettiness, irresponsibility?)

I was told the 2 drink limit ...then taken on a plane that picked me up....to make sure I didnt drink.

Hey sogwap51

I didn't get what you're saying here...?

and I wanted to understand...

I am guilty of asking the Modishwasher to remove something I said about John L.

It offended someone, they PM'd me, were very upset.... :( which upset me... yup, I'm a wuss~

Now, it's not that my opinion has changed at all, I saw what I saw, heard what I heard... and maybe it will be told in a more fitting place another time.

The fact is, THERE WERE MANY ROBOTS functioning within the walls of TWI. Maybe these people visit the Cafe now, I don't know.

But, the robotic/idiotic things I've done with the teachings I believed from TWI have caused pain to some people. So, if it were exposed here, it would seem fitting to at least acknowledge my idiotic-ness... since I don't ever recall DOING anything to purposely hurt anyone~

Shellon explains nicely the workings of the Cafe... she has a keen sense of what to do or what to avoid... and has helped me realize we're here to expose crap, not please everyone.

I really think God would want people to talk to each other and reprove believers in a pleasent way. Yes I GUESS a person could scream and yell at a person that was not doing the Word over and over again and all other methods have been tried. TWI was immature from the top down.

Interesting Justloafing... the example for a Christian was suppose to be Jesus Christ. And the 'example' TWI used over & over to justify the rantings, was Jesus in the Temple, overturning the moneychangers' tables. (as in, if something is wrong, get in there, be bold and take care of it)

Were these 'moneychangers' his close disciples, or part of any household fellowship?...

Also the example of Jesus 'forsaking' his family... Mar 3:35 "For whosoever, shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother."

Does it say to turn you back on your natural family if they don't agree with your doctrine?

Perhaps he was letting people know a BIGGER PICTURE… beginning to show the massiveness of the One Body~

It's immature to insist on ONLY MY WAY or NOTHING... and the more I stand back and look at the whole picture of TWI, the more comical it seems... Adults having a tantrum (well, it's very sad too)

These great questions and answers are from the days when game show responses were spontaneous and clever, not scripted and (often) dull as they are now. Of course, Peter Marshall was the host asking the questions.

Q. Which of your five senses tends to diminish as you get older?

A. Charley Weaver: My sense of decency.

Q. In Hawaiian, does it take more than three words to say "I Love You"?

A. Vincent Price: No, you can say it with a pineapple and a twenty.

Q. What are "Do It," "I Can Help," and "I Can't Get Enough"?

A. George Gobel: I don't know, but it's coming from the next apartment.

Q. As you grow older, do you tend to gesture more or less with your hands while talking? A. Rose Marie: You ask me one more growing old question Peter, and I'll give you a gesture you'll never forget.

Q. Paul, why do Hell's Angels wear leather?

A. Paul Lynde: Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.

Author Unknown

Oh my!

So, that's the reason guys aren't good babysitters...

Huh... trying to think of the 'males' in my life doing several things at once...

Does eat and watch TV at the same time count

Seems there is some truth to this 'uni-tasking' explanation

What the

... and here I thought I was suppose to be nice

Maybe it's a personal issue... for me, I'd rather not offend at this point, but maybe next week I'll change my mind.

There are those that avoid conflict at all cost... mainly for their health~ mental & physical

And for me... this was the first time... thought it was clever... mean, but cleaver ;)

"All the 'coordinators' would get together for meetings at least once a month... Write down in our calendars the ‘events’ coming up, getting like-minded, and talk about people discuss and condemn their actions... ummm, I even remember discussing Abigail & her ex frequently. "

ROFLMAPMP - and I bet we gave ya'll plenty to talk about. Someday, Safari, I would love to hear what was said, though I can imagine it!

I remember taking my youngest to a children's fellowship, he was maybe a year old, and was never away from me except for during TWI functions. He would cry and cry when I left him, so I would stay and try to help him get settled in and get comfortable. I was reproved for doing that and told I needed to drop him and run. Then your husband, Safari, reproved me for leaving him cry like that. But I have to tell you, I really appreciated what your husband said to me, because it was exactly what my heart was saying to me - don't leave your child cry!

Sickening isn't it... Dear, dear Abigail... specific details may be gone forever. I do recall sitting 'around the table' at these pompous meetings... my thinking going in different directions. Who the heck did these people think they were? Were their lives so perfect they earned some right to discuss and direct the lives of others.

(I believe I even put in a 'good work' for some folks, since I knew them better ... ... I was ignored!)

Each of these leaders had their own problems... they had secrets... they greased palms... they told lies... and they put on a good show :unsure:

Oh, my husband... yes, he HATED for a child to cry without being comforted. He insisted with our own, that I stay on it... until 'it was fixed' They never cried themselves to sleep... His reasoning was, since God would never leave us or forsake us, and He loved us and had mercy on us, we should treat our children with the same care and respect

He had been REPROVED so many times, for so many years, I thought at one point I'd lose him. He was just a shell of a man not too long ago... regaining confidence was a struggle for him, and at times would go off in a dangerous direction. The tension, anger, frustration, bewilderment was so intense…

I must say, all the work to get out of TWI and it's twisted, mind/life controlling teachings and techniques, have been worth all the effort... and yet, we're still working on it :(

The Curtain Rods

She spent the first day packing her belongings into boxes, crates and suitcases.

On the second day, she had the movers come and collect her things.

One the third day, she sat down for the last time at their beautiful dining room table by candlelight, put on some soft background music and feasted on a pound of shrimp, a jar of caviar and a bottle of chardonnay.

When she had finished, she went into each and every room and stuffed half-eaten shrimp shells dipped in caviar into the hollow of all of the curtain rods. She then cleaned up the kitchen and left.

When the husband returned with his new girlfriend, all was bliss for the first few days. Then, slowly, the house began to smell. They tried everything: cleaning, mopping and airing the place out. Vents were checked for dead rodents, carpets were steam cleaned and air fresheners were hung everywhere.

Exterminators were brought in to set off gas canisters, during which they had to move out for a few days, and in the end they even paid to replace the expensive wool carpeting. Nothing worked. People stopped coming over to visit. Repairmen refused to work in the house. The maid quit. Finally, they could not take the stench any longer and decided to move.

A month later, even though they had cut their price in half, they could not find a buyer for their stinky house. Word got out and eventually, even the local realtors refused to return their calls. Finally, they had to borrow a huge sum of money from the bank to purchase a new place.

The ex-wife called the man and asked how things were going. He told her the sage of the rotting hour. She listened politely and said that she missed her old home terribly and would be willing to reduce her divorce settlement in exchange for getting the house back.

Knowing his ex-wife had no idea how bad the smell was, he agreed on a price that was about 1/10th of what the house had been worth, but only if she were to sign the papers that very day.

She agreed, and, within the hour his lawyers delivered the paperwork. A week later, the man and his girlfriend stood smiling as they watched the moving company pack everything to take to their new home, including the curtain rods.

I just love a happy ending, don't you???

No.

By definition, racist groups do not welcome representatives of every race, to participate.

TWI did/does...

The RACE I'm referring to, is the RACE of those who have proved themselves worthy to LIVE WITHIN THE WALLS OF ZION... Not from a physical region or color~

Those OUTSIDE these walls were referred to as dogs. They could even have been INSIDE the walls at one time, but due to their BELIEVING/ACTIONS, have found themselves AS DOGS RETURNING TO THEIR OWN VOMIT, no longer welcome. (some worthy of death)

Most of life in TWI became some sort of analogy/example of the OLD TESTAMENT…

Being a Homo meant NO WORTH TO GOD AT ALL... (Jews & others had no worth to Hitler)

Disobedient children... well, I do recall hearing on several occasions the record of this 'type' of child being stoned to DEATH. And for those who could NOT keep their minds closed to devil spirits should be put to death, so the spirit would no longer have a HOME.

There is a teaching from TWI, stating that it was better to have an abortion, than to give birth to a retarded or deformed baby. Because life was difficult enough without having a child like THAT. (again, similar to Hitler's views)

I remember discussing this while pregnant with our 4th child. My daughter remembers hearing those conversations, and asked me a couple of years ago (3 YEARS had past, and she was a Sophomore in High School)… "Mom, if there would have been something wrong with me when I was inside you, would you have killed me?”

I see similarities…... and I also think there could have been MORE than 6 million!

Oh, and I forgot to mention, those who were in the 250 mile radius from New Knoxville.

I had asked God to help me forget all of this foolishness, in hopes that I could be on my way to mature into a functioning, sane Adult~ enjoying many of the wonderful people and activities surrounding me...

BUT this statement brought back a FLOOD of memories!

Yes... living in MICHIGAN, we were THERE... and we supported the whole thing too! Couldn't WAIT to get to HEADQUARTERS , see the people... be in the BEAUTIFUL auditorium, sing, eat, drive, fellowship...

I LOVED it :)

Even got close to some New Knoxville locals... I won't mention who... they might get in trouble for showing me some extra attention

What an idiot I was~