CoolWaters

Just saw the movie yesterday with a good friend. My initial gut reaction? Believing=Receiving dressed up in a psychedelic lab coat. The scientific theory/theories presented were OK for the armchair scientist. In fact, the discussion on neuropeptides was most interesting and presented a piece of knowledge I have been struggling to find because I didn't know by name what I was looking for. There was one huge, gigantic, unfortunate scene that I had hoped scientists would know better than to allow (that is, if the scientists had any say about it)...and reminded me so much of twi... The scene where the woman tossed her prescribed medication into the trash after having "found it". Yes, it was medicine prescribed by a mental health professional for mental health issues. This is a dangerous message to send to anybody taking prescribed medication, but particularly dangerous to anybody taking medication prescribed to treat mental illness...because it is the tendency for such people to get to feeling better and thinking they do not need the medicine any longer...so they quit taking it...and then they don't feel better any longer... And any medication not prescribed to be taken on an "as needed" basis can have dire effects if stopped suddenly. The spiritual theory/theories presented...well, imo: "There's a sucker born every minute."

Deep sigh. Deep, deep sigh. :(-->

From: http://www.schizophrenia.com/media/strength.htm (I neither promote nor agree with most of what is said on this site.)

Not for those of us suffering with untreated mental illnesses.

And that, rascal, is what makes twi a cult and not just some harmless church down the street. Even if it ever did just begin to dawn upon any of us, there were people all around us that jumped on the dawning with vengence and putrid spewings of blame...the mentality sometimes witnessed right here on GSC... But because there are so many here at GSC to shout "Don't you believe it for one minute!", those of us who have not yet learned proper boundaries need not be taken in...need not accept that hard-heartedness taught by twi... I'm very thankful for this aspect of GSC! After spending more than half of my life listening to the blame, the shame, the holier-than-thou diatriabes of twi-think, it is difficult in my weak times to withstand the mentality.

{{{{{Shaz}}}}} {{{{{rascal}}}}} My post was not intended to point fingers, draw out "confessions", shame, etc. My post was intended to express what I felt at the time, how I feel sometimes now, and get people to think... And not particularly people who are posting and interacting here... But I always think of the lurkers... Especially those still "in"...

Ask and I shall receive! No standing by and watching from Steve! ! OK...now let me not repeat old behaviors! :D--> TYVM Steve! .

Neither do I. But when I saw things going wrong, I did what I could to stop them...even to the point of being marked as "seed". Do you think that doing so was co-dependent...another form of the need to belong? It's important for me to know... Because to this very day... When I see a wrong... I do what I can to stop it from happening again... And if this is part of my problem in life... I need to know...

It sometimes helps in the healing of things for me to know why folks just let things happen. It was not a sniping question. It was a question I need answered. I mean, did you hate me? Did you hate the others? Did you think we deserved what we were getting? Or was it simply that you did not care? It's important for me to know... So that I can place that piece of the puzzle...

So many, many times... If just one person... Had stood with me against the insanity... I begged God over and over and over again... That if there were anybody standing by... Watching what was going on... Knowing that it was wrong... I begged God over and over again... That if there were someone like this... Would He please convince them to break their silence... Why didn't you?

waysurvivor, That information is great. Most people these days know better than to bruise or hurt their children...even if somebody tells them that "god" says to beat a child. The point I wanted to make by bringing up that "god" says to beat a child was to exemplify how anybody can take anything from the bible and make it say anything they want it to say...what was called "private interpretation" (pi) when I was in twi... And I wanted to make that point to make the point that twi leadership did a whole helluvalot of pi concerning children... Something that was not readily obvious to those who had the same thinking processes before twi... Or to those who were forced to "obey"...

OM, you're faster than a speeding bullet and sharper than a two-edged sword when you wanna be, aren't you? ;)-->

OK. In the context (remember your PFAL lesson) it seemed to be used in a derogatory sense. Or if you prefer, sarcastic. I choose not to remember my piffle lesson anymore often than I have to...and right here and right now is not a place I have to... ;)-->

OM...you know R P McMurphy's work???? I would have never thunk it so!!!!

The main nurse in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". If you have seen the movie or read the book, you might think my post was funny. Otherwise it makes no sense...and it's hard to explain.

Seven seals placed on the stone? Interesting symbolism comparing this to Revelations...

OMG!!!! Is Nurse Ratchett on the loose??????

waysurvivor, It has been admitted on this thread by at least one person that he/she stood as a silent witness to what has been described on this thread. What you see spewing from their keyboards is their own self-loathing...knowing that as they stood in silent witness...knowing that as they were part of keeping the secrect...knowing that what a person sows, that, too, a person reaps... They are now here on this thread trying to prevent that reaping of the insanity that they stood in silence and allowed to continue...but by their own words they are shown for what they have done. I, personally, am satifised at the public admission right here on this thread.

Exactly what he did to me and my baby in the middle of winter (early '78...the year that a blizzard had closed down most of the state of CT)...a bus "home"...where nobody knew I was coming...where I sat with my baby for days with no food, no formula, no diapers...begging believers in the area for help...believers having been "warned" by JAL not to have anything to do with me... And when I was finally able to confront JAL about the whole situation (back in trance.net days), he apologized...after making sure that I understood that he was apoligizing for something that he had no memory of ever doing... Which means, to me, that he must have done such a thing so often that the names and faces of the people blurred together to the point of being non-descript...

Yes, Abi. Thank you for reminding me. GSC would not be worth a darn to me if forgiveness...being forgiven and forgiving others...and healing up were not the payoff for participation.

mj...duh..you admitted it...I didn't hold a gun to your head and make you type the admission...I just quoted you.

Thank you! Now that you've admitted it to yourself, can you see your culpability?

mj, since this is just one example of many of the way you treat people now that you're out of twi, there's no doubt in my mind that you were one of the biggest culprits of perpetrating an atmosphere that harbored and protected abusers while you were in twi. And although I rarerly, if ever, bring this up... Since you're so much smarter and grown up and responsible than me or Abi or rascal... Would you please spell correctly, use correct grammar and punctuation, and make full sentences? It would show me that your smarts are genuine. (Yes, I am that shallow...with folks like you...'cause being deep in a wading pool is useless.)

The original questions that opened this thread: What I am curious about is not so much of people in TWI abusing their own children, but whether or not TWI leadership would have been aware of it going on and never addressed it. Alternatively, there could be cases of TWI leadership abusing children but I never heard about it. I have seen parents get too crazy with "the rod of correction" (aka the wooden spoon) but not doing things that put their kids in the hospital or raping them. Are there any situations where this definitely happened? These questions have been answered repeatedly. Even some of those who would prefer to point fingers and do the "nanny nanny boo boo, I'm better than you who" dance have admitted that child abuse not only happened in twi, but leadership ignored it.