CoolWaters

Yep, rascal...that's the only way to ensure a child does not grow up to be monstrous. I notice you didn't say you beat the bejeezus out of the child until he/she "repented". Nor did you say that you denied the child any need or any love. There's a big difference between not forgiving and denying basic human rights.

Uh, whistle in my other ear and tell me it's raining. mj, based upon everything I've read of your posts here at GSC, your idea of forgiveness is to point out sins, laud them high and low, tell people what to do to measure up to your idea of how they should live, then hold a grudge and needle someone until one either fights with you or blows you off as totally whacko. Nice try.

Dude, you find the cherub and I'll be the rubenesque maiden (well, woman) for your birthday. :D--> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!

These women are my heroes.

People who are always "forgiven" and never held accountable... Well, if you can't see a problem for them in this...nothing much I could say.

How do the following verses play into this forgiveness question? ****************** White Dove, I hear you. Ours would be a very interesting discussion to continue...but I think the derailment would be a total wreck of this thread. :D-->

ExC......LMAO!!!!!!!! Oen......kewl....I see.....hehehehehe! Good to see you, btw.

Way flashbacks... Geeze...more than I can remember. But the really really spooky but hilarious one was a "group" flashback. Hubs and I used to visit Kathy W's family on the weekends every so often. One weekend she talked us into going to a church they were enjoying. When we got there, another extwi family (I had known the husband since I was 16yo) just happened to be visiting the church for the first time like me and my hubs. So we all sat together. It was a Vineyard church, so there was dancing and singing and jubilant shouts and praises... And banners being waved over the congregation. Huge banners that took 2-4 people to carry. I froze in absolute horror that these people would actually wave in devil spirits! Well, the man I've known since I was 16yo was sitting next to me. I remembered that he was born into Judaism (White Dove, if you're reading this, you know who I'm talking about...the man with the 12-string Ovation roundback guitar on his back and a hoe and a shovel in his hands :)--> ). Anyway, I asked him if this banner waving was evil or not. He gently and without any condemnation at all explained how doing so was very biblical and considered a very loving thing to do. OK. Flashback Panic #1 over with. The sermon was not so bad...I only criticized about 30 comments the preacher made. Then came the announcement of a class the church was offering...and the associated video presentation. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was that piffle movie all over again!!!!!!!! Me, my hubs and Kathy all got up and nearly ran out of the sanctuary so fast that it disturbed the pastor. We were all having panic attacks to one degree or another. I remember gagging and retching. It's funnier than $hit now... But damn! It was trippy then.

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TempleLady in the TWI Worships and Idol thread: "The Only thing TWI taught was Mogolatry"

Hiya {{{{{Mo}}}}}!!!!!!!! Mogolatry!!! That's gotta be a GS Gem!!!! And so true.

Exactly. If we had ever been taught a knowledge of the bible...and not just a knowledge of twi's PI of the bible...it would not be such a common thing for extwi folks to have to walk away from the bible itself to ever begin to learn the true knowledge. II Timothy 3:7 describes what twi did/does as "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

This is a great diet thread! LOL!

Maybe someone involved in producing the movie is extwi?

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This is good... However twi did NOT teach the "trade" of making Jesus lord... And, therefore, did NOT teach the "trade" of having a knowledge of the bible or the lord.

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Are baked for your trip in the excellent high!

mj, The histrionics are not effective on me. Many people who have claimed Jesus as lord have done so based upon such histrionics... And therefore have no clue of anything else but what they feel about what should and should not be.

White Dove, Hiya! :D--> Before I go into my post please know that I am aware that I am not in top mental condition right now...so I may not make any sense or even come off in the totally opposite way I thought I would come off. I did not think that you intended to link In His Steps to twi...that was my doing. My understanding of how the book influenced the shaping of Tennessee Town (TT) comes from what the people of TT have expressed to me. Of course, I do understand that there are no people in TT alive today who were alive at the time setting of the book. These things I know are from people who have heard stories from their parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Couple the oral history with the actual history, I can see a direct correlation between the book and the downhill slide of TT...simply because of the perception of the people of TT that the book created. Here are some points that lead me to see a link between twi and the book (these are oversimplified and are open for lively debate :D--> ): Both twi and Sheldon portray themselves as giving God the glory while, in reality, both are self-aggrandizing. Both twi and Sheldon figure that they have the answers for everybody...and that their answers are from gawd...and everybody should follow their answers. Neither twi nor Sheldon have grasped day-to-day life for those who don't have the option to jump on and off the gravy train at will. The works of both twi and Sheldon do not stand the test of time. How does all of this relate to forgiveness? Whenever a person or an organization put forth that they have the answers... Whenever these same people/organizations come into the lives of those deemed to be "needy" of answers... Whenever anybody or anything becomes as big as or bigger than Jesus in people's lives... Then there is a pharasitical religion. We as followers of Jesus must always walk the fine line between serving Jesus' calling and becoming a temporal savior. It's a hard line to walk...a line I've crossed and learned real quick not to ever cross again. There's no forgiveness for false saviors.

So? This statement is just plain stupid. It's twi brain through and through...and it's the mentality that creates monsters such as the monsters twi created. So spell it out for us, OM.

UH! You took the words right out of my mouth! It's sometimes very hard to accept that there are those who will refuse forgiveness...and those to whom forgiveness will be refused...especially if one is in the category of either...

I couldn't get past the 2nd post here...because for just over 11 years I lived in the neighborhood that Charles Sheldon wrote about. As a young girl and a teenager, I loved In His Steps and used it as a guide to help me in what I wanted to do in this world. Of course, while in twi I shunned the book as sappy, powerless pablam for weak-kneed glory hounds. Then when I moved into the neighborhood the book is about, I thought "Oh wow! Here I am! Right smack dab in the middle of it all where it all started. Yipee!" 4 years later I had seen more than enough to convince me that Jesus didn't have a whole lot to do with what had been done to the neighborhood. It has taken all of these last 7 years to build a viable relationship with the congregants of the church which Sheldon pastored...not even considering undoing the damage that his book has done to the reputation of the neighborhood. So it's very interesting to me that forgiveness of twi and Charles Sheldon are mentioned in the same thread in the first 2 posts... Needless to say, forgiving is not the same as forgetting...

ex70's, it can be put any clearer!