CoolWaters

What I want to know is how they did it!!!!!!! Touch my husband there, sleeping or not, and he's fully alert and not gonna let something like this happen...not that I've tried... ;)--> Also, I would think a flaccid penis to be difficult to cut without awakening the man. Now a thought... Send these gals to twi!!!!!!!!!!!! :D-->

Wow.

If a person is representing a corporate entity, then that person is acting on behalf of the entity. TWI as a corporate entity has representatives. The BOD, any paid staff, any clergy ordained by twi, any other leadership or 'disciple' or person sent out to do the work of twi. If any of these people do anything while representing twi, then twi as a corporate entity did it. IMO, the problem in twi was the basic premise of a majority of the beliefs. VPW believed...and taught...that the king has rights to every woman in the kingdom. He saw himself as the king in the kingdom of twi, so he had whatever woman he pleased. Oh man. I did the same thing. When I finally realized that there was not one ounce of pure bible that could be associated with twi, I realized that there was no 'word' to come back to. Who are you giving the glory to here? VPW was not God. God worked regardless of vpw's "mistakes", not because vpw was a decent man...which he wasn't...and his "mistakes" were not mistakes...they were pre-meditated. He sure told everybody he did. And that's not OK. The correct saying for your first statement is, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." The saying you quoted is not a saying anywhere except for in twi. This is questionable. TWI teaches an absent Christ and replaces the Christ with everything else. Until one comes to Jesus, there is no way for them to have the 'born again' experience. TWI leads away from Jesus. There's no way of knowing if anybody in twi ever was or is born again. Huh? I don't get this. This still does not mean that vpw was anything at all...unless vpw is now taking the place of the absent god.

Did a WhoIs search for ownership of thewayinternationalsucks.com domain. The results...

Yes... TWI was given the domain name from the original owner... So it's twi's webmaster who is doing the pointing!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if their webmaster has a stoopid sticker on his forehead....? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! What a great victory for gawd!!!!!!!!!!

I think it's hilarious that twi uses the way international sucks to point to their own website!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.thewayinternationalsucks.com

{{{{{OM}}}}} Thank you for sharing. It gives more depth to who you are...and allows me to see you as a human being and not just a twi-bot. I am so very sorry that you were dismissed so easily...so coldly...so arrogantly...and just because they could. ***************** From what I'm reading on this thread, "forgiveness" sounds a whole lot like what I do when I just let go and let it be. Maybe that's all there is to forgiveness. I dunno. When I think of forgiveness, I also think of reconciliation and restoral of the relationship. There are many situations in my life where I have just had to let go and let be. The most poignant situation is the one between my dad and I. I've forgiven him. We have a relationship now. I have never brought up the subject of what he did to me when I was child. He has never apologized. It was in my mind from the time I left home to the time I moved back to Kansas that I would kill him. Then he came visiting at my home one day. I was in the basement doing laundry. It was a very hot summer day so all the windows and doors were open. My dad just walked into my home and started calling my name. I grabbed my Ginsu butcher knife and went upstairs prepared to knife the s.o.b. When I got to the door between my kitchen and my living room, one look at the man stayed my hand. He had shrunk to the size of a very small man. Suddenly I realized that I would never be a victim of his ever again. Then I heard that still small voice saying, "Let it go. He's changed. You've changed. Let it go." I no longer begrudge him anything. In fact, just the other day we were talking on the telephone for over an hour about all the cool things we used to do together...like just the two of us going out for breakfast at 5:00am. At the end of the conversation I thanked him for all he had ever done for me. Never once has he admitted what happened. Never once has he apologized. But it's over...for me and for him. And it was what I believe to have been direct information from holy spirit that helped me to see that it was all over. I still share what I grew up with...because I think it's important for people who have gone through it...or for those going through it now. I don't believe I'm sharing out of bitterness. Anger still flares up when I think about it...and I think that being angry is fine. But does that mean I harbor bitterness? No. Does that mean I am unforgiving? No. It just means that I am still pained by how broken he left me. But what am I going to do? Kill him? No...not anymore...that would not solve a thing. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that just because there's this message board called GreaseSpot Cafe where twi is exposed... Just because there are those (like me) who still have anger over what twi did to people... Just because there are those (like me) who refuse to accept baby or bathwater... That is no indicator that there is no forgiveness. All it means is that there are those (like me) who want to see an end to the suffering at the hands of twi.

Deep sigh. I knew you could help me see clearly White Dove. ;)--> :D--> It looks like this whole misogyny thing with Paul is going to evolve in the thread I started about one of Alice Walker's books...if you wanna check it out. It seems more in place on that thread, anyway.

Exactly, Shaz. The audacity to compare the forgiveness bought by the blood of Jesus to the forgiveness between sinful and imperfect humans is just plain a huge slap in the face of Jesus. To think that imperfect Man can even try to offer forgiveness, much more offer it as purely and powerfully as Jesus did, is to think that we can be as gods.

No matter how anybody cuts it, no matter how anyone defines forgiveness, no matter how many verses can be tossed around, only one thing really sets precedent: Although forgiveness of sins is available to all, it is only given to those who ask and repent.

I have issues with all abusers and abusive groups.

So we are expected to do more than God would do?

I promised to get back to this thread and discuss Paul's misogyny...but I haven't done so yet, have I? Well, it's going to have to wait some more time...because my week is full of appointments and meetings with doctors. Is this what I get for not being "of Paul"? ;)-->

Are people forgetting that, sticking strictly to scripture, even God does not forgive without there first being a confession?

Hmmmmm.... Very interesting... Because my virus protection, my firewall and my SpyBot all show 4 files of spyware...but none of them can or will do anything about these ....ers. And they're messing with my graphics programs big time. So how do I remove them in safe mode? Just go there and then what?

LMAOPIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I use these?

I thought you'd never ask! ;)--> OK, I'm going to get a post together that I've been wanting to post for awhile but never found a reason to post it...until now. Give me 'til tomorrow afternoon, OK?

What I really wonder about is how I was so gullible to hear a man make fun of the Church of the Navelites, agree with the stupidity of such nit-picking, and then turn around and believe that man when he taught me to nit-pick about these and other such things. Ah well... When I was a child I spoke of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. Now that I am a woman, I speak of the reasons behind the need for such fairy tales.

Been a little bit reserved about posting any response here...because my view of Paul is not popular at all...and I see what you all are putting Song through...but, yeah...I'm a fool going where angels fear to trod...oh well...here goes... To me it is important to remember that Paul was not only a Pharisee but a murderer. Why? For the same reason I remember that my dad practiced pedophilia... So that I can keep all things on the up and up. It's great to know my dad had a life-changing, come-to-Jesus experience. In fact, knowing this about my dad has helped me to forgive him. BUT... When I found out that he was having swimming parties for pre-teens at his house, I called the church and advised them of the lack of wisdom in such a choice. AND... I never let my children or granddaughter be alone with him. Getting born-again and preaching the gospel is no guarantee for a lack of sin in one's life. So, what would Paul do? I really don't care. Because Paul did not change much in his personality. His misogyny alone is enough to make one wonder just what was really going on that kept him in prison so much. Of course, there's the age old boasting... I am of Paul, etc...

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Oh...and one more thing... I'm sure your forgiveness is automatically in place...even if a child does not "repent". I'm also sure that, regardless of that forgiveness, you stand your ground on what actions will be required of the child to learn accountability. I'll never forget how twi would toss around the "think no evil" and "forgiveness is a requirement" crap whenever it's leader$hit went into overkill and destroyed lives. Can you imagine the difference if, instead, people were held accountable?