CoolWaters

Too kewl! Were you just doing an article or was there a special reason for the interview? I have a friend who is a collector of anything to do with the Wizard of Oz. Can you sell copies of the tape and pics? It would make a terrific Christmas/Birthday (his is 12/31) present for him.

Oh yeah... I've talked to my hubs about this... He gives me this hurt and unbelieving look and says, "But now we don't have to worry about the kids interrupting and we've got all this room..." He says I don't understand men. I have to agree with him. :D-->

Everybody is so great! The responses are funny and thoughtful and honest! Thank you so very much! You see, I am almost 7 years younger than my hubs. When we met (I was 18 he was 25), we were perfectly matched sexually...in other words, we were both hot to trot. :D--> (Quite frankly, I wouldn't have had it any other way...and I let that be known...and he had no problem with it! :D--> ) BUT... In the back of my mind I had this expectation that along about our late 40's/early 50's we'd slow down and get to the business of things we never found time to do because we were so busy with each other...if ya know what I mean. ;)--> (Our kids thought we were reincarnated rabbits. Tee hee.) From what I gather, however, guys don't slow down in their thinking about or wanting sex. How come? I don't get it. If sex is taking up at least a third of the day (between thinking about it, talking about, doing it, or wanting it), and work takes up about a third of the day, and sleeping takes up about a third of the day... Well, I get pretty frustrated about all the other stuff in life that isn't been thought about, talked about, done or wanted to get done. Ya know what I mean? I truly expected that this time in our lives would be the time when all the plans we had to put off could actually be done. Sigh. There's no hope, is there?

Oh, ladies...feel free to chime in here. :D-->

What is "normal" for the male sexuality at this age? Drive isn't a question...there's plenty of that...more than I expected at this age! ;)--> But what are the likes, dislikes, preferences, fantasies, etc for a man at this age? I'm asking because what I was expecting isn't what I'm seeing...and now I'm not sure what to do. Seriously, guys, this is important to me. Thanks!

{{{{{rascal and daughter!!!!!}}}}} I am so very proud of you two!!!! Yipee!!!! :D-->

dmiller...flashbacks, huh? What was mixed in that stuff you did...???? ;)--> Song...I've got a Shaman's Journey CD around here somewhere...if I can figure out how to get the music from there to here, I'll post some tracks for your listening enjoyment. There really is nothing like music designed to take one to the depths of one's soul...especially when following that elusive bubble... :D-->

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PTSD flashes!!!!! Eeeeeek!

I don't have the bong...I've got the wine filled hookah...

I like him. I like Robin best. :D--> I like his son, Jay, too. Have you seen Jay's show "Renovate My Life"? Tooooooo kewl! My two most favorite questions of Dr Phil's are: How's that working for you? and, Do you want to be right or do you want to solve the problem?

ExC you brave girl! I almost said something very similar, but chickened out at the last minute. Wow! What guts! OK, so here's what I chickened out about (to give you company, ExC. LMAO!). When my dad was holding us all at the end of a double-barrel...I remember wishing my mother would get that thing away from him and blow his freakin' head off once and for all. Times like those...yeah...I wouldn't have been mad at my mom if she'd just had had enough. Ya know?

Careful, ExC...you're gonna conjure up a little green alien. Ooops! Too late! LMAO!!!! Speaking of paying bills... I forgot today was payday...because it's all gone to bills. Sigh.

Why did she do it? Was that part told? (I know you don't know...the article didn't say...but I wanna know! LOL) She told the children their father was dead. At least they didn't have to find out that he had been alive all these years and they were just kept from him or ignored by him. Some solace, though. Was it kill or be killed? This story needs more detail! (Again, I know you don't know.)

What I meant to say, I said not. And what I said not, I didn't mean to say. But the little green alien that runs around here certainly knows it all. PS You have to leave a cookie trail to find one. Tee hee.

The literal according to usage here lies in the context of people who work and hang out at WalMart...

*****BOO!!!*****

ExC!!!! *snort* :D-->

Really, Trefor? Wow. This guy told me that they could help only Mormons. Had I known otherwise, there would have been some terrific meals for any efforts around my place! :)-->

Have had mixed experiences concernng Mormons. 1) They take care of each other very well. If someone has ever been a Mormon and hasn't been excommunicated, one always has access to Mormon assistance regardless of active participation. I know a man who is the manager of an adult book store, lives an immoral life (you name it, he's probably done it or still does it), and hasn't been to church in over 20 years. Last summer a couple of men out witnessing for the Mormon church stopped by this guy's house. This guy got them to build him a fence and a storage shed/play house...just because he told them he was a Mormon. 2) On the other hand... We lived on a dairy in Alaska that was owned and operated by Mormons. There were only 3 non-Mormons involved...us and another milker. Everybody lived on the dairy. It was not well kept at all. The cattle were diseased (TB...I even contracted bovine TB and nearly died), the barns were not well kept, the water troughs had electric heaters that were shorting out and shocking the cattle every time they tried to drink (which stopped most of them from drinking), the main milkers were instructed to put plenty of antibiotics in the milk tanks, they emptied the gray water from cleaning the milk room right under the employee housing (which is how I contracted bovine TB), they milked 3 times/day, the calves were pulled out of the cows with motor pullers instead of allowed to be born naturally and mastitis was in 1 of every 3 cows. The wives didn't fare much better. One woman nearly died after giving birth to her 8th child in 8 years. Her uterus literally fell out of her. But all her husband could talk to her about while she was in the hospital was having 2 more children. She was not the only woman to experience such a thing at this dairy. Hmmmm...after twi and the Mormons, I'm beginning to wonder if it's just an Alaskan thing...

Based upon these definitons (taken from dictionary.com), I have no forgiveness towards twi. I am not willing to excuse the destruction of the lives of little children. I am not willing to stop being angry about such things. What twi did to my daughter and other children is unexcuseable and is still tearing up the lives of these children and their families. TWI owes a huge debt to these children and their families. Instead of attempting to make things right, twi blamed the children and their families and harbored and protected the perpetrators. In fact, one of the most prolific of the perps is reported to still be favored in the hallowed halls of twi. The god that will not forgive me because I have not forgiven twi... Well, that god is puny imo. All of these scriptures tossed around are akin to believing=receiving: they are magical spells that get a deity to do something for a human. If such magical spells are real, then the deity is controlled by the human. I've been there, done that with the god of twi. I ain't a gonna go back to that putridness. Also, if such magical spells are real, then whatever deity is repsonding is a respecter of persons. Just look at the braggart mj is and you will see what happens with such a diety. I ain't a gonna go back to that putridness.

Galen, I did put it on a money level, didn't I? Well, that's too broad a brush...and I know it. But what I was trying to point out is that there is a larger group that does not fall into the system...for one reason or another. Not telling or not being believed seems to be more common than being able to afford to hide the whole mess. You bring up some very interesting points in all of your posts on this subject. One of the most misunderstood aspects of childhood sexual abuse is that often the child finds the experience physically pleasurable. And if there is no other type of abuse going on, then the child also experiences emotional pleasure. There are many cultures that believe the father is the person who should introduce his daughters to sexuality. In our culture, that is taboo. Should it be? Your points about arranged marriages comes into play here, imo. If a 12yo is going to be married to a 40yo, somebody had better teach her what to expect...and something needs to happen physically before she gets into the wedding bed...or there is going to be damage physically, mentally and emotionally. Then there is the custom of waiting a year before the marriage is consummated. (I learned this in piffle, so I have no idea if it is real or not.) This custom would, imo, solve the issue of preparing a very young girl for sex with an adult male. Taboos are usually based upon horror stories. What about the stories that aren't so horrific? One of the deepest shames for many victims of pedophilia is that the victim had natural arousal responses. I don't know the answers here at all. I sometimes wonder if my dad hadn't been so mean and forceful, would I have felt so violated? I can't say for sure because it wasn't that way. I do know that as an adult I've had one night encounters that were as loving and giving and respectful as anything I've experienced in marriage. I've also experienced rape. Again, where is the line drawn? As the mother of a daughter who got involved with a 23yo when she was 16yo, I know that his main goal was control. She married him because of her daughter. She divorced him 2 years later because of the abuse. He is now awaiting trial for illegal intercourse with a 12yo. My daughter was shocked at this. I was not. After all, he honed in on my daughter as a minor, why wouldn't he hone in on someone else's daughter as a minor? But our society is duplicitous in these things. A 16yo cannot legally vote, go into the military, work overtime, drink or smoke because they are considered too immature to make good decisions concerning these things. But they can 'consent' to sex and, naturally, to being a parent if that arises? Again, I don't know the answers.

QUOTE:What I WANT to know is, why valid scripture is being dismissed in favor of each persons own pet theories and poor analogies Agreed COOL but the request was to consider scripture so that was what I was trying to do. without adding to them. I understand this, White Dove. It was not my intention to point a finger, but to express that some people take the bible literally and some people take the bible figuratively...and that it's sometimes hard for these two types of people to talk to each other. I mean, there are those who think that after the 70x7, forgiveness is no longer required. But that isn't the gist of that statement, is it?

Exactly my point, Shelly. People are people. People get angry. People say things that aren't pretty. People hold grudges. People talk about other people. People have strong emotions and strong opinions. People point fingers. People do a whole lot of things that aren't scriptural. All I was doing was trying to remind a couple of folks that they are people, too. And that they aren't any further along spiritually than anybody else.

TY, Wafer Not! My family got out of that situation with the least amount of damage. Did you get to read any of templelady's posts? She never ceases to amaze me!