CoolWaters

Hmmmm! Reading through some other articles from the Stand To Reason site, I came across the article, The Most Pathetic Question Here is a quote from that article: Hmmmm!

Yes...but in a very interesting twist of fate...no people is exactly what would make twi perfect...because then twi would be dead. :D-->

--> Xena...nice to 'meet' you. :)--> Oh yes...that justified, self-righteous, set apart indignation! --> Several weeks ago I began attending a Vineyard church...again...after several attempts to get past my own way brain... Shortly thereafter, a little woman's study/friendship group started. We opted to do a workbook thing called 'Experiencing God'. (I know...I know...a class! But we're not handling it like a class...and I am well aware of the possible pitfalls of following the author 'to the T'. http://www.str.org/free/solid_ground/SG9901.htm will take you to a critique of the book. You'll have to register to read it...but it's a great overall site worth having in your Favorites...imo.) Anyway, this effort is helping me remove the twi blinders from my understanding of the bible. The bible is a completely different book than twi presented! And, according to the bible, who we are 'in Christ' is totally different what twi beat into our heads. I'm soooooooooooo thankful to be able read the bible, fellowship with other Christians, enjoy life, and actually be a Christian without having to be a 'sogwap' or 'mog' or whatever twi would have had us to be! ******************************* johniam, Oh yeah...it was our 'gawdly' ministry, doncha know! My daughter didn't think there was much God about it...and neither did most of the other twi children we knew. :(--> *********************** Catcup, There's sooooooooo much in your post that I want to address its individual points. Would you mind? *********************** smurfette! You just scratched the surface of yet even another area in which we were crippled because of twi. I cannot even hardly think about it all at one time! *********************** Groucho, I got to the point that I just chucked it all out...the bible, Christianity, what I thought was 'god' and 'jesus'...all of it and started over from scratch. I'm nowhere near undoing my way brain in this area, but I am approaching it all from a searching place instead of a knowing place...and there's a HUGE difference.

+odd! Great thread, great things! I'd love to participate in another shot at the chat thing. Any plans for another 'session'? You wrote: "but if the majority does not recognize or support such dialogue as valid or valuable or sane, the seed of the idea falls by the wayside" Yes, yes, yes!!!! This is what I see happens quite frequently when somebody 'misbehaves'. The rest of what you say, "simplicity innocently overlooked...like a piece of gold in a fish's mouth" is the cost...and it's a cost that we all paid too frequently in twi. So, I'd love to see a thread dedicated to unlearning that 'top dog' mentality. A thread that would probably get down and dirty before it got uplifted and cleaned. A thread where participants can point out the things that trigger way brain/way responses...and would agree to not be right, but be willing to work it out. And I'd like to see it out in this here "About The Way" forum because even if we didn't actually learn the 'top dog' mentality in twi, we learned how to hone it to a razor's edge in twi...and then wield as the sword of something against one another. Which is one of the deepest pains left over from twi, imo. ::shrug:: Maybe I'm just crazy and need a couch visit? ::shrug:: ;)--> ************************* Linda, Yes! And I agree...it's base human nature...feeding the id and the ego...not even considering the possibility of stepping into the super-ego for a moment. (OK...so Freud I'm not...and Freud wasn't God...but I'm going somewhere with this...I think...maybe I'll figure out where later on...? ;)--> ) But there's something else at play here, too, imo. I figured it out after watching Belle's thread deteriorate, and then reading Catcup's words about her marriage: twi taught us that if we all didn't think alike, talk alike, believe alike, act alike, function alike, then the 'odd man out' is not only possessed, seed boy, or worse, but is to be mocked, ridiculed, defamed and called names. And if all else fails, nothing less than out-and-out banishment will suffice to shut up the 'problem child'. From both observation and experience, three things happen when at a juncture of 'unlike-mindedness': 1)A gaggle of drummers develops, 2)A lineup of lemmings willing to row to the beat of the drummers develops, and 3)There is always someone who has to 'walk the plank' if a different beat develops. (I'm trying to metaphorically use a Viking ship set-up...pardon me if I screw it up...especially since I'm mixing soooooo many metaphors in this post that someone is going to regurgitate and then have to set me straight. :o--> ;)--> ) Anyway, as I've said already, this mentality was honed to a razor's edge in twi...and, from both observation and experience, it is one of the most pervasive of way-brained mentalities simply because it is also human nature. But...I may be 'full of hooey', too. ;)--> ******************** Groucho, What you said... "In the final analysis, the egotistical mentality of twi leadership was destined to be that way...why? Because the founder excused Christ from his "ministry" and took his place as the mog...the rest was predictable." Oh yeah! I have found that, regardless of one's religious beliefs, if one does not recognize one's own inadequacy, one will never be able to overcome one's own inadequacy...and will simply rise to the highest level of that inadequacy. Or something like that... ;)--> ************************* So, does anyone think we could pull off a thread such as I have described above? Or maybe the question should be... Does anyone think Pawtucket and the moderators could survive such a thread as I've described above? (Now before anyone responds...give me a chance to read this after posted...to see if I want to change anything... ;)--> ) OK...I'm comfortable with my post now. Thanks! :D-->

From what I understand, a scalpel won't work after puberty...and it just makes them meaner.

{{{{{Shellon}}}}} I am so very sorry. ********************* Oh boy oh boy oh boy have I ever been guilty of this as charged!!!! So how do we openly discuss this without it breaking down into twi-like sanctimony and bullying?

And then The Way International put pedophiles into leadership positions over our children. Spiritually dangerous to them for sure! The Way International is a dangerous cult that will go so far as to aid and abet felons to get at you and your children. GET OUT NOW!

Well said, rascal! It's a mother's job to worry! Some of the synonyms of worry are: anguish, care, concern, perplexity, presentiment, brood, sweat out, burden, grieve, labor... My gawd! If a mother didn't worry about her family, who would?

That's NOT what I'm talking about! ;)--> What I'm talking about is that I finally figured out something that's been pokin' 'round the back of my mind for many years... TWI taught us how to fight dirty...even 'to the death' (in a figurative sense...I think...). For many years I've been wondering why conversations between extwi people can get so out of hand so quickly. I'm not just talking about here at GSC...which doesn't often get as bad as it can get. Interpersonal relationships in 3D between extwi folks can get downright evil. It's because twi taught us a false form of 'likemindedness'. Thanks Catcup and Belle for your threads on marriage and way brain!

*CW standing back and thinking about things...asks herself, 'Am I about to transfer to the wrong people?'...then thinks, 'Maybe. How can I do this without transferring?'...* For me, the turn this thread has taken is exactly how things went down in twi. If someone is interested in what I mean...I do better not transferring if I am asked specific questions.

Justloafing, My apologies for coming off 'corrective'. This is a hard subject for me...but it is important to me for people who may be aware of things but keep silent to know that there are ways to speak out...and that speaking out is saving lives. The only point I was trying to make is exactly what Catcup said so much better than I said it: Get Out and then Speak Out.

Catcup, You are exactly correct in specifying first things first: "In order to safely get your family out of harm's way first. To do what you can first to try to save your marriage, or your children, your brother, or your sister, and get them out of danger." Nobody can help anybody if they or their families/loved ones are not safe...The Way International will go to ALL lengths to make sure of this!

No, they were not...they were the first ones others would listen to. Maybe...but I was not one of the silent ones...and my family experienced firsthand much of what Catcup has described...and we weren't corps or anything. I disagree totally. There are many children...my daughter included...who have been scarred for life because people who knew kept silent...or worse.

I'll add my prayers to the one true God that He will work in this 'Reverend's' life and lead this man into a true relationship with Him. It's the only way this 'Reverend' is ever going to break up the fallow ground of his hard heart.

Wacky, I was raised to always leave a part of my history behind for future generations to find...bury something in the back yard...hide something in the basement...put something behind the a brick in the mantle...that kind of stuff. Do you remember the time capsule craze of the '70's? Maybe it was just around here, I dunno, but all throughout Jr High and High School each class would bury a time capsule of information about us somewhere on the school grounds. I've participated in the building of 2 churches, one college, an apartment complex and several homes. In each case there was a corner stone. Behind each corner stone were put documents concerning the building and the people associated with the building...complete with dates, current newspapers and other significant documentation describing our times. One of my most favorite things to do is to go on Scavenger Hunts. It's a fund raising thing I learned at church as a little girl...and we also used it as a game as we got older. The game/fund raising is played in various ways, but the main point is that there are clues to Treasures hidden all over the city. People get into groups of 4 or 5 and each group is given a list of Treasures they must find. The first group back with all Treasures found wins a 1st Prize, 2nd back wins 2nd Prize, 3rd back wins 3rd Prize. Anyway, I LOVE to leave around little 'treasures' of information about my kids and our family at certain times of our lives. A couple of years later, I give the kids a list and the clues and tell them to go find the 'treasure' of their history. It's great fun! Except they're too old to appreciate it now...or maybe not old enough yet.

Just so y'all will know... I know better than to add sound to signatures. What I wanted to do was to make similar type graphics for e-cards that can be sent through email. OK? :D-->

I want pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)-->

The 'negative emotions' are part and parcel of having relationships that are defined by, "I am right, you are wrong. Listen to me!" You call it that way, Mike. I didn't say you were afraid of differences. I didn't say you were afraid of anything. What I said is that you don't like it when people don't think like you. It's one thing to enjoy differences...quite another to tell people they are wrong in their differences...and still quite another thing to expect people to change to your way of thinking if they want to measure up and be 'right' in your eyes Yeah...so? What good did it do you? See what I say above. Yer right! How clever! ;)--> I took PFAL once and only once...when I was 18yo...and about to have a baby. The reason I took it once and only once is because I didn't want to have 'itching ears' and 'heap unto myself teachers' and be 'ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth'. But once through PFAL was all it took to make my thinking so crooked that I actually tried to live in that insanity for the next 26 years.

This is a very sad statement, Mike. Sad because you seem to prefer minimal interaction with people who don't think like you. If this thought process becomes a habit in the 3D world... Well... It's just very sad.

Well, Belle Darlene, in his own special way, Song's got it right... Just do something totally different and totally unacceptable to twi brain. :D-->

Gotta love an organization that is so pathetic and pitiful that it doesn't want their 'good news' out in public. :D-->

Comparing veep to David is crooked logic...David repented and did not keep doing it over and over and over again...and did not pass on the 'mantle' of such a legacy as rape, adultery, fornication, etc.

No matter how anyone cuts it, if their fruit is rotten, their works are rotten...and even Jesus will have nothing to do with them.

Again I say, "I've tasted their fruit." And their fruit is: Adultery; Fornication; Uncleanness; Lasciviousness; Idolatry; Witchcraft; Hatred; Variance; Emulations; Wrath; Strife; Seditions; Heresies; Envyings; Murders; Drunkenness; Revellings. It is evil fruit. I know them by their fruit.

This is ever so simple...but is made hard... I've tasted the evil fruit...and I know what manner of men come out of PFAL indoctrination.