CoolWaters

OK. The original question of this thread was, "As we were discussing it, we began to wonder when and how they came up with their tithe percentages... and also, what exactly was TWI's official definition/policy of a tithe." To me, what vp taught in piffle was the 'official definition/policy'. If the tithe was expected, vp was looking forward to the probable occurrence or appearance of the tithe, was considering the tithe likely or certain, was considering the tithe reasonable or due, and was considering the tithe obligatory, required.

I have often wondered why people say such things. On another thread OM summed it up nicely, imo: To me the above quoted post describes either pure laziness and/or a thinking pattern that is just plain illogical. I mean, what if people thought about Jesus in this same manner? I can hear it now... "It has been about 20 years since I was first introduced to Christianity, and in all that time, I haven't heard anything from any of Jesus' sources, independently, apart from the bible. Nothing is stopping them or their ministries/movements from knocking on my door, if they so choose. In other words, up to this point, I probably wouldn't have known anything about Jesus, the holy spirit, the bible, et al., if it weren't for Wierwille's ministry and teachings. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe that was God's plan all along for me." Ummm...NO! Maybe that would be because either one was too lazy to look elsewhere or (maybe even AND) one was unwilling to think beyond one's own limited experiences and seek out knowledge. To me, this describes exactly what makes a cult a cult: the people who not only swallow the cult's poison...but do everything possible to force others to partake of the cup. It is NOT in God's plan for people to participate in being poisoned and/or poisoning others to learn about and know Him.

He taught that since tithing pre-dated the Law administration, it was not affected by the Law being eliminated in the Grace administration. So, isn't that basically an 'official' teaching that tithing is required/expected? How about the book or whatever about Christians being prosperous? Wasn't the whole basis of that the tithe?

Dude! Is that you boogeying down front in that middle pic? MORE PICS!!!! :D Since I never attended ROA, I don't feel this memory. Sometimes I am sad about this...most of the time I am very thankful for never attending ROA...because I know that I would never have left twi if I had made that strong of ties to that many people. I am truly amazed and impressed that you seem to have weathered it all with your heart for others still whole.

Thelma Louise Darlene!!! Very nice boiling down of what I was trying to say and ask. TY...TYVM. :)

True, Thelma...but then what would I do for fantasies? I've got his number still...want me to give him yours now?

I'd like to get White Dove's input on this... Didn't vp teach in piffle that tithing was the only law that carried over into the grace admin.?

My Sicilian Yum Yum. Memories of a WONDERFUL weekend. But alas, I am a married woman and I can only play-act. Sigh. LMAO. Yeah...sure...I can see that...him following me home...him not being such a Yum Yum any longer because hubs pounded his face into the dirt...GGGW being known for such a thing...Cinderella's story ending up quite differently... Nah. Prefer the fantasy in my head. What made this such a perfect strawberry on top of our dining experience was that most of the wait staff knew who we were, why we were there, and had been drawn into our storybook escapades. I really think that Yum Yum was carried away in those magical moments. Of course...I'd NEVER say otherwise...'cause what happens in KC stays in KC... Hehehehe...

Thought you did. :)

Geeze...twi wastes a lot of time and energy, then...

Gawd! Men are the worst *it*hes! :blink: Um...Tom...have you any clue what "The Stance" is? David...oh...nevermind... :ph34r:

Ahhhh, Kath...you know I love ya, girl...but I gotta tell ya... Posting about this stuff is like sitting on a toilet and peeing in the middle of the freeway. Nobody is entitled to expect me to do such a thing...but if I wanna...then nobody better aim their car at me.

Thank you, {{{{ExC}}}}. That means a whole lot coming from you. I love you, too. And you take care of your precious heart. We'll get by with a little help from our friends...maybe...and if not...well...we got that love in our hearts regardless of it all, huh?

Isn't this what twi taught? Does twi still teach this? There's a question that's been burning in my mind since my last post on another thread... Why does twi pay so much money, go to such terrible lengths as to accuse children of sexual deviancy, use whatever methods imaginable (like sending an armed thug to sit out front of people's homes), lie publicly to and about those whose lives were wrecked by twi... If twi believes their own drivel, then why does twi go so far as to reach into right into the darkest of darkness to DEFEND themselves? After all, according to twi's own teaching, if twi were speaking forth the truth, it would need no defense.

{{{{dooj}}}} That deep breath came for me today in the form of very good friends who had no clue how far into this I had gone. You are right, I do believe, that people on this thread had good intentions. I didn't care. My heart was so hurt...not for me at all...'cause everything that's been said here to me has been said to/about me here...in the past...so often that I really don't 'hear' it these days. But for those who could not bear to stand up under the scrutiny....and the blame...whether real, imagined, self-inflicted, or what...and the fear...and the sorrow...and the memories. It was ripping my heart apart to think of what it must be like on this thread for those who lived through it all. I just couldn't stop. I knew I was running out of control. I knew I was going way, way, WAY overboard. I knew I was just not in my right mind with it all. But I couldn't stop. My hurt was that big in me. But my very good friends...who knew nothing at all about this thread, and knew nothing at all about how they were helping through my own tunnel...they came to me in droves today and kept me in a good place of love and friendship. Finally I was able to realize my own hurt and pain of being put through the 'prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt that you were not pimping out your daughter' over and over and over again by twi (who told the DA to suspect me of doing such a thing!). But I also realized the pain of knowing that my precious little girl...my precious, innocent little girl of 7...was grilled unmercifully by an 18-member grand jury in just this same manner...because twi had told the DA all sorts of nasty chit about me...and here is my precious little girl having to face down 18 sneering, condescending, insulting adults...all by herself...all by her freakin' self! This thread triggered all of that in me. And I was gone. I am sorry for pouring all of that pain onto undeserving people. I am not asking for forgiveness. I am not asking for understanding. I am not asking for anything here. Just recognizing that there were people on this thread undeserving of that explosion.

Awwwwww! Poor {{{{{White Dove}}}}}! I hope somebody spanked that bad monkey for you!

{{{{toppie}}}}! That's a two-way street there, ya know....so many times you've lifted me up outta the muck. TYVM! And OMG Bow!!! That divine matchbook... Sigh... Truly Cinderella gone to the ball that night!

Sheesh! Still recovering here! I thought I was all recovered...but no...dang. Of course, the heat isn't helping. Anyway, toppie...that pic of me looking over the Q menu...with my nose all wrinkled...like I smelt something bad...I did that for you...knowing you'd appreciate the humor...LMAO!!!!!!! So we're having a problem getting the pics to do what we want them to do...misbehavin' pics!...and as soon as we get that ironed out, there's plenty more! The weekend was far better than we can even express, imo. Just a great time of being grown women together. But we missed you other ladies a whole lot! Somebody was always remarking, "Oh I wish more of the GSC gals were here!" or other such things. You know, I was quite frightened that I wasn't going to live up to GSC standards or some other such nonsense...but wasn't nonsense to me...in that place in my head that says I am not worth such good things. I had never experienced an ROA or anything even remotely like it...not in twi and not in other aspects of my adult life...so I had no clue how to handle myself, what to expect, what was expected of me, nothing. To me, this GGGW was akin to what many of you relate about the ROA or other get-togethers with people you know and love...or have yet to meet but know you're gonna love meeting them. For the first time in my life I had an experience with people I barely knew that turned out to be very good, very good indeed. It was like that for me...and I hope that GGGW can become like that for more gals. Thank you, Suda and Bow, for ministering to me. You may never know just how healing you've been in my life. Thank you.

I remember saying something like if the sow's ear ain't a purse, don't grunt.

Last word.

Yep...whatever...whatever it takes to be right...and have the last word...and make the biggest insult one can think of making...and the biggest ASSumption...yep...whatever...especially so long as one is taking one's meds...whatever...yep...whatever it takes to get satisfaction...'cause otherwise one can't get none nowhere nohow... This .... is getting old...whatever. ...said the Pigs... ...and if the sow's ear ain't a purse....don't grunt...whatever...

Oh barf! :wacko: Yeah...it's time for you to come home...for a nice, long rest...might even be able to make it permanent if ya show 'em this post of yours... ::shudder::

Oh man! I thought that was the ghetto prayer...and wondered how you knew how I pray...!?!?

Eeeeeeeeeeek! But dooj has a point...these kids may someday be quite famous for their art...or their interior decorating...

All's quiet and well on Animal Farm with the Pigs now that more details were tortured out, an apology has been made for this one's very existence, and this one has dutifully thanked the Pigs.