GarthP2000

I liked this part in the article: "The important thing to remember is that you are dealing with a person who has essentially placed a twig on their head and expects you to believe they are a tree." Classic application to a Wayfer.

And what alternative offer does Utah have? ... A lifetime supply of Donnie and Marie albums! :asdf: :wacko: (((shudders)))

I was under the impression that John Lynn and CES bought it, or bought all the 'research' material there. Anybody hear anything about that?

**DINGDINGDINGDING** We have a *winnah!

Ya know. This could be a resurrected THE thread, but in encrypted form.

Cool!! This is one of my favorite 60's songs! ..... Kinda answers a _whole_ lotta questions, ... don't it?

Hey Roy, You want to read a really good work by Thomas Paine, try 'Age of Reason'. From this link, check out the description. :B)

Nahh! Despite what Stephen Colbert says about them, I would never put bears on my ignore list. :D Aww heck. I was going to put "Don't type anything." as my answer. :huh:

German Engineering meets American Reality TV. Acchhtung!

... and your 'godly' motivation is ... ? <_<

Yeah! You should have been nicer about it. ... Like walking up to them and saying, loudly, "Look! You don't have to be worried about me anymore, cuz I'm still very much *alive*!"

Then you go first down that road, ... o-kay?

Update: I now have an Asus ACPI x64 based PC with a quad Intel Core i5 CPU, with 64 bit Windows 7 Pro on it, 8 gigs o memory, a 1 terabyte HD, ... ... AND AM LOVING IT!!! The only thing I didn't like about it tho', was it's chicklet keyboard, which was *maddening*. So I replaced it with my previous Logitech keyboard, ... and now am such a happy camper.

((snif)) ... poor wascally wabbit! (I wonder what the dog did with the Easter eggs?)

Been there, believed that ... once. No more. The human heart is (as a whole) neither evil/deceitful nor pure/holy. The human heart is ..... human. With all the ups and downs and good designs and rank stupidities. ... But this Calvinist rendering of it being wicked and depraved, it is not. (Except for the ones who are so intent on rabidly pushing this notion that it is, as they are sometimes the ones who behave in such a manner, more than they realize, I dare say. ... Perhaps they provide an unintentional object lesson as how to behave as such, ... ya think? <_< )

Your comparison between TWI and the government's actions against tobacco fails on this major point (and I just _know_ that anti-'gummint' activists like Ron, etc. are going to vehemently disagree with part of this): TWI just did it to control people. Many individuals (<-- *please* notice the emphasis) in said government do it because of the proven damage and harm that tobacco does to people, as well as the society in which they live. Yes, no doubt that there are other in-duh-viduals in same said government that also do it to control people's lives. ... And yet, what the government is doing in this area is both legal and Constitutional. If it isn't, ... call a (REAL) Constitutional attorney and go from there. We _could_ make tobacco illegal, but then again, look at what happened when we made alcohol illegal. And yet alcohol often harms people in many ways like tobacco does. So we have laws regarding consumption of alcohol. Upsides and downsides to this as well. And yet, an item like Marijuana is illegal, and it does FAR less harm than either alcohol or tobacco (unless you think having a serious case of the munchies to be cancer causing and dangerous driving), . ... Go figure. Me? If I had my dream world, I'd outlaw cigarettes and booze, and make smoking a reefer legal. ...

SOMEBODY GET HIM A FRIKKIN' MAP!! ... Hell, send Jethro back to skool!

Well, there's one surefire way of overcoming _that_ socialist plot now, isn't there? Start drinking bottled water.

A-yup. And as per obesity, being heavy weight alone doesn't put one at direct risk of endangerment of one's health. However, if someone is so fat, so obese, that their health risk causes a far more burden on not only their health insurance, but also raises the health care costs of others (and yes, this does occur in the insurance industry, as unfair as it is), then yeah, I think that they can be expected to take better care of themselves. But that is a far cry from the No-Fat Police roaming the neighborhoods. Please look back to the 4 reasons I gave regarding smokers, ok? 1) the dangers of 2nd hand smoke, which has an increasing medical evidence of the risk to other people. 2) the increasing medical costs to other people, particularly when the smoking patient is uninsured. Thus sending the costs to you and me. 3) the health effects that is on those that smoke often makes them less efficient, less productive, and invariably puts your fellow workers at the risks given above. 4) since smoking is so damn addictive, it exasperates the problem, and again, often on the backs of others, not just upon yourself. But hey, if you don't want to be told not to smoke, ... then you should bear all the costs/consequences yourself. That includes not having your insurance company cover your decision and your freedom to smoke. Okay? <_< Is that statist enough for you all here?

And the problem with this is ... ? Folks, the problem with smoking isn't that it just puts you yourself in medical danger. Or even puts a burden on your family. It also puts a burden upon the rest of society. Through: 1) the dangers of 2nd hand smoke, which has an increasing medical evidence of the risk to other people. 2) the increasing medical costs to other people, particularly when the smoking patient is uninsured. Thus sending the costs to you and me. 3) the health effects that is on those that smoke often makes them less efficient, less productive, and invariably puts your fellow workers at the risks given above. 4) since smoking is so damn addictive, it exasperates the problem, and again, often on the backs of others, not just upon yourself. Guess what, boys and girls, at the risk of sounding like an e-v-i-l Marxist, liberty is not something that is solely the benefit for you yourself. Liberty comes with responsibility to have the regard for other people. ... No option in that. Liberty for yourself and regard for other people are like Siamese twins; cut one off, and the other dies. Like my mother would always say, "You live in a world with other people." ... Oh, and as regards to all those other items that people can possibly be harmed by; sugar, booze, etc., ... legal products they might be, but if the usage of said products causes harm to come to you as well as puts a burden on society as a result, then yeah, your 'liberty' as regards using such is going to be curtailed to some degree.

Persecution against John Lynn? ... based upon some negative posts about him on one out of about a million online message boards throughout the country? ((snort)) People like you wouldn't know what persecution was if it smacked you upside the head with a 2x4. ... Twice. <_<

"And this, boys and girls, was why Fizzies was banned from the market! Some idiot tried to mix them with Coke."

OMG!! OMG!! ... It was a Socialist Inspired Plot to indoctrinate our children to march off to our New World Order!!! ... Wasn't it?! :blink: ;) Altho' I never heard it myself (or at least, I don't remember it), I think it was an excellent program put into place by JFK. Along with others, like the Peace Corps and the Moon Landing. (Actually, this topic reminds me of that big bruhaha several months ago last year about Obama wanting to write a letter or something to the school children, where the Tea Partyers and the like lost their collective s**t; thinking that Obama was trying to brainwash their kids into being good little Stalinists. )

"Come OUT! ... Come OUT, damn spot!!"