GarthP2000

not commercializing or jingoizing the ever-living BeJeezus out of 9/11. (Tho' something tells me that thats what is going to happen anyway, if it hasn't been happening to begin with ) Ie., remembering it and honoring it with something more *indepth* and with something that makes one think about what its all about and what we can do to overcome travesties like that. A real challenge for our rather shallow culture. Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

Actually the link to Yahoo chats is chat.yahoo.com Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

W_A_A_Y_Y too much time on your hands, Orange? Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

Well, so much for my carefully crafted eulogy. Next time, I'll just say, "He's dead, Jim!" and let it go at that. Meanwhile, chat on, dudes and dudettes! Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

At 8:24 pm this evening, the Greasespot Cafe chatroom, hosted by Beseen, has gone off the air. We have really enjoyed the chatroom, which has been home to many a fun chat, discussion, heated debates, messy food fights, and *good* time had by *good* friends. Rest well, Greasespot Cafe Chat Room, you shall surely be missed. ((Close with bagpipes playing "Amazing Grace")) Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

A new way of going to Yahoo Chat: instead of typing /join greasespotcafe type /join gs A whole lot shorter and quicker way to do this. Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

I went ahead and set up a Yahoo chatroom called Greasespotcafe for one alternative. To get there, go to: chat.yahoo.com and then login to chat (you'll need to register, and get a user ID and password 1st if you can't get in) After waiting for a minute for the chatroom software page to load, click on the 'continue' button, then type in the following in the chat line: /join greasespotcafe (make sure you type in the / character). It will then take you to the Greasespotcafe chat room. Now if somebody else has a better idea, I'm all ears. I just thought I'd set up an alternative for the time being. And actually, Yahoo has some fairly good chat software going for it. Anywho, Enjoy all! Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

I know Freehand. I know Coreldraw, Photoshop, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, AutoCAD, 3D Studio, and a couple of others. My email is: gpatter2@bellsouth.net. Email me if you want and let me know what I can help you with. Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

Actually, despite the heated Civil War battles-- uhh I mean, arguments that General Ron E. Lee and me, General Ulysses S. Garth get into, I'll bet ya 100 to one, that after all that, he and I are the kinda guys who go into a bar, get good and drunk off of a bunch of Millers, howling Lynard Skynard songs in such an off-key manner that the bartender has his bubbas throw the both of us out. But we're having such a blast about it anyway. Life's wierd like that, ain't it? Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

"let leach one give as he purposeth in his heart"? Anywho, banner adds I don't mind, since they are a part of the page and aren't like the pop ups, which kept jumping up behind or in front of the page we were looking at, and drove many of us *nuts*. So I think it was the pop ups that many people object to, rather than simply having ads for the purpose of making $$$. Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

... and so's Wacky's. Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

Frankly, Ginger, the main reason I posted what I did was in response to your rather bad taste derision of Wacky. Maybe her timing was off, but her post wasn't derogatory by any means to the good parents of which you speak. She was trying to make a point re: from her observations. And simply because it didn't fit with yours, or your experience doesn't make it derogatory. Or as the saying goes, "If the shoe fits, wear it". You know your parenting example, and how good it is. So there is no need to feel threatened by Wacky's post. The only 'Hate Crime' (tongue planted firmly in cheek) Wacky is guilty of is bad timing. So as the immortal Sgt. Hulka once said, "Lighten up, Frances!" Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

That attitude, as you can readily see by the posts that followed, comes both ways. Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

Hey Ginger, You make good points, about the good parents that is. However, if you look at Wacky's post again, she's referring to the ones who either aren't the good parents, or the good ones who have had enough raising kids after theirs are grown. True I'm not a parent, and I never had the experience of raising young'uns, but my mom related this to me as an example of the exception that many times challenges the 'norm' of which you speak. When she (my mom) was little, she had an abusive father. I won't bore you with the personal details, but suffice it to illustrate, she never called him 'dad, only called him by his initials, "A.B.". That should give you a clue as to how low that boy went. Anywho, she finally went off to live with her uncle, who wound up being devoted and an excellent 'father' to her. A.B. on the other hand, was totally irate as to this fact, and one day he went to, forceably if need be, take her back. A.B. thundered on as to the fact that he was her father and that he had the right to take her back, no questions asked. My great-uncle derisively retorted that A.B. was only her biological father, but it takes a real man, who is there for the child, takes care of the child, doesn't abuse the child, etc., who is the *real* 'daddy'. Hell, a dog could be a better 'father' than A.B. was. And ya know, Ginger, there are *plenty* of examples that are similar to the one I gave here. Even examples of 'baby sitters' being better examples of parents than the alchoholic, and/or abusive, and/or 'devote their entire lives to their jobs/political cause/whatever', and/or "gotta make a big name for myself at the country club/PTA/whatever social event" biological ones. "but, it doesn't make others who love their children clueless, nor ones without clued in" Uhh, I believe that Wacky was referring to them being clueless as to how THEY were doing. Actually, Wacky's post makes the case that there are more examples of not-so-loving parents than many folks feel comfortable knowing about. Oh and by the way, Wacky would make an excellent mother *despite* what you said about her. Despite her not having the desire to have kids. And it is a fact that there are parents who either look down on or are jealous of those of us who never had kids, and sometimes run off at the mouth about how we singles don't have as much capacity to love and care and yadayadayada, despite the all-too-many previous examples that clouds their side as well. Quite a bit of a selfish attitude there, y'think? Please! Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

They seem to be working now. Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P.

Hope, Call it whatever you want to call it. Cult. High-demand religion. Pile of s**t, whatever. Linda and I aren't telling you what to call TWI, just bringing up some points re: the usage of the word, as well as in relation to your points on our apparent social needs for 'like minded' groups. Cheers, Garth P.

"I still don't like the use of the word 'cult' because it's too loaded--loaded with emotion and loaded with so many shades of meaning that it loses meaning and loaded with pseudo-psychological definitions from people who encourage thinking that, to my mind, is just as 'cult-like' as any alleged cult members'." What you have stated here is putting it most concisely what I have always felt, and many times failed to put into such a clear form! Thank you!! Talking about "Loading the language"! Cheers, Garth P.

Yeppers! THE V (5) is now alive!! Cheers, Prophet Emeritus of THE who's trying to get his old job back, Garth P.

again. Ie., trying to see my sign out Nope, I can't see my sign out. Paw how does my sign out show? I know I set it.

Let's see if mine does.

Ya know, you could look at that from a different perspective ....... like ....... Only *1* half of a century!! There now, doncha feel better?? Cheers, Prophet Emeritus of THE, and Wandering CyberUU Hippie, Garth P. [This message was edited by GarthP2000 on June 15, 2002 at 14:48.]

A group of people having something in common, and having the desire to be 'likeminded' and having 'singleness of heart' about it now being also considered as Yet Another Definition of 'cult'. Hhmmmmmmm. "I know there are specific definitions for a cult, but aren't there organizations out there that aren't of a religious nature that can be considered "cult-like"?" And why is it that seeking out community of like-minded people, or those with 'singleness of heart' must be regarded as being a possible 'cult-like' group in the 1st place? "I'm not suggesting that EVERY group with a common goal is a cult. What I'm trying to say is do WE, survivors of a cult, MAKE these organizations cult-like because of our TWI involvement?" Tell me something. How do you know it isn't because we have, by default, accepted the 'anti-cult experts' supposed *authority* as final; upon which standard everything else 'cult'-related is judged. We see something similar to how something was done in TWI, or hear phrases used, or concepts mentioned, and how many of us automatically, in even a knee-jerk fashion, refer back to "Uh ohh, this sounds like a 'cult'", even w/o stopping to analytically think about what is actually going on? Nothing personal here, Hope. Just some more points to consider. Cheers, Garth P. P.S. I like this board better too!