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Not everything ever said to The Way Corps is recorded. Some things they wanted "off the record." There's always your Corps Notes! ;)--> Lawrence Levy has all mine............

I do not, do NOT believe that all believing equals receiving. I do NOT believe that it is an "immutable law" as is taught in TWI.

This would be someone I was once extremely close to.

All these many days, and not one word from "Learning," who posted that TWI gave to the Tsunami Relief Fund. And not one word from Rico, who claimed that TWI did in fact give a gift, but refuses to say how much, and to explain the apparent contradiction of decades of TWI doctrine that giving to such causes is counterfeit. This past weekend, someone from within TWI called my house to talk to me "regarding the Corrodi thread," but I was not home. Makes ya wanna go hmmmmmmmmmmm.... Learning, are you there?

Ham- I agree... why is Rico so hesitant to answer questions here, when Harvey Platig did it? Why? Isn't he proud that his mean-i-stry gave to such a worthy cause? Or is he embarassed to have to explain all the decades of previous doctrine this supposed action contradicts? Or is it he really CANNOT speak to whomever he wants, whenever he wants, wherever he wants? Rico-- Are you FREE Or are you BOUND lock stock and barrel by an organization that has you so fearful of speaking out lest you lose your job? I must have stirred up a hornets nest inside TWI on this issue that someone from within TWI brought up on GSC. Now I have an innie calling me regarding my recent participation on this site wanting to ask me questions about the Corrodi thread... Yeah, I knew it. She DOES own your balls. And everyone else's inside that cult.

Simply the "King" surveying his "kingdom."

So very true.

Yeah, I thought so, you lily-livered suck-up. Rosalie Rivenbark owns your testicoli.

Yes, Rico, The Way International and Loy Craig Martindale taught on Corps Night (The same Corps Nights you and I both attended) that GIVING MONEY TO ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION THAN THE WAY INTERNATIONAL WAS ROBBING GOD! Now how does that square up with your claim that Way Followers "HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FREE TO GIVE WHATEVER AND WHERE EVER THEY WANTED?" Honestly, Rico, answer that question. Harvey sent word here once to GreaseSpotCafe. WHATSA MATTA YOU RICO? AREN'T YOU FREE TO SPEAK TO WHOMEVER AND WHEREVER YOU WANT?

Dmiller, Back in the 1980s when I was working for a commercial mortgage broker, I too was asked by my employer if I would contribute to the United Way. My company was known to be a huge benefactor to that organization. It was a donation that would automatically be deducted by the payroll department out of each check. Every employee did this as a matter of course, a small donation out of every paycheck, and it was tax deductible. Because of TWI's teaching that such gifts were a counterfeit, a waste of money, and because LCM ranted that it WAS ROBBING GOD TO GIVE IT TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE WAY INTERNATIONAL, I told my employer I refused to give to the United Way, because all of my donations already went to a "specific charity." Now, if TWI's policy was that I was "FREE TO GIVE WHAT EVER AND WHERE EVER I PLEASED," Where did I ever get such an idea? Come on, Rico, be honest for ONCE in your f*king life! You sat in the same damn meetings I DID!

Correct, Trefor. The proper translation of Mein Kampf is "My Struggle." Read it. Was a struggle just to do it. Talk about insane babbling.......... You've just got to see it in the original, people...

Containing and controlling people's behaviors by shunning and manipulation does NOT leave them "free" to give "whatever" and "wherever" they want. VeePee always used dog training to illustrate how to train children. Well, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, you see. You've got the behavior of believers at The Way hemmed in like dogs inside an electric fence. You've got them collared, and they have learned by experience that if a certain line is crossed, they get zapped. People already know what behaviors, what statements, and yes, what questions, will give rise to situations where leadership can make things uncomfortable for them-- or the fear that God and His people will not accept them. You indoctrinate them long enough, use enough peer pressure and manipulation, and pretty soon you don't need a f*king fence, they are too scared to set one foot out of what you have told them the boundary is, for FEAR of what will happen to them. That's not Freedom. It's a f*king prison.

HEY RICO: What's all this BS about believers "have always been free to give whatever they wanted and where ever they wanted." Now, you KNOW that's a bold-faced lie. From my earliest days in that organization, the "tithe" was ratcheted up to "abundant sharing" and "abundant sharing" was ratcheted up from anything above 10% to 15% and beyond, and from there to "living on a need basis", meaning whatever you didn't need for the tin roof over your own head and used clothes on your own back and peanut butter for supper, should be "laid at the feet of the apostles." Abundant sharing was a REQUIREMENT for anyone who wanted to do anything in your outfit. And "need basis living" was a REQUIREMENT for staff peons, except for the top echelon who got to pad their expense accounts and live much more lavishly. And any motivation to give any money to any other cause other than "the outreach of the Word" was publicly and vociferously discouraged, and even attacked, especially by LCM on Corps nights. So again, are you going to be changing your doctrine, or is this one of those things you will just sweep quietly under the rug without mentioning how wrong you've been to strongarm pennies out of poor people's pockets? Changing the subject doesn't change the issue. Why haven't you announced this to the general Way body of followers? "Too busy with ministry business" is nothing but a f*king excuse to avoid answering the question, you lily-livered @$$ki$$er. You know damn good and well that you and others like you in that parasitic organization have used manipulation to force certain behavior in your followers for the express purpose of controlling them. NOT telling them what they have a right to know, keeps them ignorant, controllable, and fearful of being unable to survive outside the organization. You're nothing but a manipulative, fearmongering parasite taking food out of the mouths of babes in your perpetual servitude.

A girl in our fellowship (who was never in TWI), and also attends a church, was recently out of work for about 6 months when she had a major surgery and could not work. Do you know, that church PAID HER RENT AND HER GROCERY BILL so she would have a roof over her head and food to eat while she recovered-- knowing full well that 1) She did not attend church every Sunday and 2) She regularly attends another fellowship not associated with their church! TWI would never dream of doing something like that. They would more likely blame her for her illness and excommunicate her for becoming a burden to the "household" to which she was not "faithful."

Exactly. And anyone, and I do mean ANYONE who embraces Nazi ideology, whether they carry the party's card or not, is not far from bloodstained. I don't care how many years have passed since the holocaust. Embracing the ideology perpetuates the hate and inspires monsters in waiting.

Some other religious people hated communism far worse than Nazism, and for that reason, helped hide Nazis in the vatican and spirit them away to Argentina: Pope Pius XII along with the vatican college, and a host of cardinals and bishops. VP was more Catholic than he knew.

I confirm that the same person contacted me as well. The questions remain: How much did they give? How do they plan to have their people fit that bit of info into their already-programmed decades-old doctrine that TWI is the only place they should give their money? Or perhaps it is just as I suggested: They did it in order to relieve their followers of the desire to give money directly to the fund themselves. That way, TWI controls how much of their ABS gets sent in to the fund and cuts their losses: You don't have to give to the relief fund, we've already done that for you! So how much did you give, Rico? And how does that fit with the previous indoctrination? And maybe YOUR definition of wisdom is what TWI has always said it was: "Never tell all you know" That way you retain a measure of control over your people and their money.

Learning Those on GSC have "learned" by experience-- and some, in a very painful way-- that TWI purposefully plants misinformation here or among their people to smoke others out. I hope you understand that accordingly, lurkers have to be aware of that and we all must be cautious. If you do have important and truthful information to share, do tell. Don't let pointed questions intimidate you from telling the truth. How was this information announced? One on one? In a household fellowship? At a branch meeting? A Sunday teaching service? Who gave you this information? How do they know? Or did someone set you up to see if what they told you would show up on this board?

Diazbro reminded us on the other thread: TWI occasionally plants false information here in order to discover who among their ranks spends time reading on this site. If you are a TWI lurker, I wouldn't mention or ask about the tsunami relief fund. Could be a trap.

Correctomundo, Diazbro. You lurking innies who never heard the tsunami announcement in your fellowship would do well to NOT mention it or ask about it. Could be a trap to prove your "disobedience."

I'm with CW: Learning, if TWI did make such a donation, where is the proof they actually DID it-- where is the report that shows the amount and how and to whom it went? If there is no proof other than having to take the BOD's "word" for it, as per Corrodi's explanation, no thanks. Just another self-promoting lie, IMO. To curry favor among the peons so they can claim they are seeing "change" in their beloved mean-i-stry. In order to keep THAT money from going elsewhere.

I'm with CW: Learning, if TWI did make such a donation, where is the proof they actually DID it-- where is the report that shows the amount and how and to whom it went? If there is no proof other than having to take the BOD's "word" for it, no thanks. Just another self-promoting lie, IMO. To curry favor among the peons so they can claim they are seeing "change" in their beloved mean-i-stry. In order to keep THAT money from going elsewhere. See, you don't have to give to the tsunami fund, we already did that for you!

That was the line at least up through the time I walked out in 1997. So how about some verification. For TWI to have actually made this kind of donation, it was such a major switcheroo on policy, that it deserved a prominent public announcement to all the believers at every level of the ministry. Not only would it deserve a major announcement, but this kind of significant change would need to be explained in enough detail that TWITs would understand how such an action would relate to their own giving to OTHER causes OUTSIDE the mean-i-stry. I can't imagine such a change in direction without public SNS teachings and rag articles explaining how that kind of giving fits within the context that has been taught for decades: the only cause worthwhile is moving der vord ober die velt. That Belle was not aware of it, makes me wonder about whether it was actually done. OR If it was done, it was done without an announcement, with only certain people aware of it. That would make me ask, WHY?

Maybe not a card-carrying member of the Nazi party, but the ideology is the same.

Not holding my breath, by any means.