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Well Pond I don't usually use my real name on any web place because it is usually not too wise.. and here no.. if I had to use my real name probably not... but mostly becasue when I got here I didn't know the Way Ministry was pretty much trashed... I was still a little afraid of them. I find I wasn't the only one that felt that way when I got here. Oh and Pond Hope-r 's thing is totally different than here. it is good but it is just blogs.. that is why they have no fights people are blogging not posting in a forum.. it is like comparing apples and oranges

You are all totally missing the whole point of this discussion. Now I am going to come in again because we are 8 pages in and who knows if any one will see what I wrote way back at the begining. I am glad for all of you that have been here a long time and found healing...Yes GSC was originally set up to help those trying to escape or get out of TWI and yes I am sure TWI is no longer what it was...But you all forget there were thousands of way believers... every day new ones sign up on here.... not every week or so but every day.... GSC has morphed into a place for people to find information and healing and there are tons of them out there just like me. I thank God for the people on here who were brave and stood up to TWI... who built this place... who rescued so many... but if you think that that work is done ... it is you who are short sighted .. Not Paw who has tried to keep this place viable and helpful for everyone DID IT EVER OCCURE TO ANY OF YOU THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR THE HEALING THEY CAN FIND HERE.!!!!!!!!! Good Grief have you so missed what this place is really all about, getting information and healing for the thousands of people who were trashed by TWI.. Not just a few. And since you all have been here a while I am sure you know how much healing you got from writing about the hurts you recieved, and comiserating with others. Just the information to read is not enough for many people... MANY people need to verbalize what they went through... and for some of us we had wonderful times too and we are trying to make sense of it all. I know I am just one small voice but somebody on here needs to speak for those of us who just arrived and those of us who have yet to come. This is my personal plea to PAW ... Please find some happy medium... I want you to go have a wonderful life too but please do not throw out all that GSC is because of some vain misguided egotistical few who are in need of some kind of professional help. GSC is truely the sum of all it's parts.. from this fool wandering in the forest alone I say thank you for all you have done, it truely is a gracious gift to everyone here and they do not realize just how precious it is. edited for my spelling and gramatical errors ; )

Bramble My hubby was one of the Corp wow's in Kalispell that year... Our Hubby's know each other.

Sorry I usually try to read a whole thread but I am only up to Page 15 and that isn't even half way. anyway no one will probably get this far but if you do and HWC Thank you for sharing this. IT must have been very Hard . I lost a friend at work from an accident HE died and so much of the trauma you spoke of was what I myself and those of us there went through. Thank you to for you sharing of scriptures. Healing is such an elusive thing some times and it never comes quickly for those things most hurtful. It WAS an accident. I heard the briefest of information about this and only because I was out west. Why weren't we praying round the clock for you all. These are the things about the ministry that make me the angriest. These blatant disregards for Gods flock. My heart aches for Rochelle and for the obvious pain she went through. NOT just for her but all of you. My heart is aching right now... Maybe I will add more later. :(

Welll I am so Glad I got out before my kids were born... Hugs Minicorps and Good for you. Here's a wish your folks woud find the strength to leave.

Yes.. I remeber all of them I as in the way home with Ray and Mike and Mary B. and yes Becky E is who I meant and I do remember Genine and I think I remember you too if you are who I think you are. I am so glad you posted on here I sent you a PM so you could know who I am and Hugs i understand about the leaving and slamming the door.

Having lived through the last down turn the one for late 70's to early 80's I know we will get thru it to the other side as will most people. Like pond we are being careful with our pennies and watching our dimes and praying daily that we will make it to the other side I suspect it will be a bit more than the end of 09 for a recovery but I see sparks f it here in CA in the real estate market but we were fully engaged in the recession two years ago when the press was still denying a recession as was the government so I suspect we are a head of the curve. BTW there is no real job security it is just an illusion. (yes i know I am a cynic)

Nicely put Satorie... Well I am a new person here at GSC so maybe what I say does have some merit since I am new for me GSC is the sum of all its' parts. I have found good information here about what "The Way International " really was. Some of it i already knew or suspected but a lot of it I didn't. It is a place to find links to more information if you should so desire.. a place to connect with old friends and or make new friends It is a place to get information on other sources for healing or even more information on TWI Posters on here for the most part are friendly and helpful... have a question and they jump in and help. What have I gleaned from GSC well to date I have found peace with our decision to leave The Way.. Most of you know this but some don't My Husband and I left early on in TWI before VPW died before the Craig Fiasco. My husband was Corps but was struggling with his perceived inability to live up to the ideals of Corps. We left so he could survive. We thought we were some how abandoning God and it was a difficult decision and a shaky 5 days of turmoil in our hearts. The questions about was it the right thing or the wrong thing have plagued me for years as did some of the teachings... which have kept me from going to church or finding the right group of people to spend my time with. For me finding GSC has given me knowledge, and with that knowledge comes peace. I am still working my way through the preponderance of information. on here but I will make it through. I have learned a lot about some very brave people on here, and have met some wonderful folks. For me GSC has not "Jumped the shark" For me it was a life line and a welcome fount of information. The social aspect of it is wonderful too because some of the people I have met have added theri own wiew of the way and given information on what they saw. giving a more fuller understanding of what I left. And been patient with me as I see VPW for who he really was. So for very selfish reasons I say GSC is still viable. Should it close down that is PAws choice. I myself could set up a forum in like five minutes flat as could anyone else who is even a little in the computer know.. but I hope it doesn't happen like that. a lot of work has gone into this site and it would be a shame to see it morph into something less than what it is.

Aww thanks for moving this and for the booze info I love a good home made fruit cake so if you do too this is a good easy recipe and it is delicious.

I only love the home made variety which is far superior to those purchased if you bake at all here is a nice easy recipe Dark De Luxe Fruit Cake 1 C. Oil 1 1/2 C packed brown Suga 4 eggs 3 C sifted Flour 1 t. baking powder 2 t. all spice 1 t cinnamon 1 t cloves 2t salt 1 cup apple or pineapple juice 1 1/2 c whole candies cherries 1 c thinly sliced citron 1 c chopped candied Pineapple 1 cup seedless raisins 1 cup chopped figs 3 cups chopped nuts (if you do not like citrons and candied fruit you can use instead 4 1/2 c of chopped dried fruit and 1 c of raisins... I prefer this one as I am not a big fan of the candied fruits) Preheat oven to 275 mix oil sugar and eggs together Beating for 2 minutes. Mix dry ingredients together thoroughly. mix 1 cup of the flour mixture with the dried fruits and nuts, mix the rest of the flour with the egg oil and fruit juice Then combine this with the dried fruit and nut mixture. Line 2 greased Loaf Pans 8.5x4.5x2.5 with brown paper or parchment. pour batter into the pans put a pan of water on the lower oven rack and bake for the cakes fro 2.5 -3 hours after baking allow the cakes to cool for 15 minutes then remove from the pans. Do not remove paper until the cakes are thoroughly cooled. Store by wrapping tightly in aluminum fool and storing in a jar in a cool dark place. For the Booze part I think you add it to the cake in teh jar but We never did the booze with it

For sure it was household Holiday the whole time I was in twi from 79-83

and add emoticons and say fun things that everyone can read and generally have a good time :)

LOL I thought that is what I read but I was afraid to make an asumption. Congrats!!!!

Hi mudflap

Things are published all the time to see how far certain topics can be taken... then if no one stands up and yells the next time they take in one step further. We have all watched this happen in TWI.

LOL Kimberly. My Hubby hates sweet potatoes.. I love them but I am not a big fan of popcorn same reason my mom made lots so it is okay but not something I go out of my way to eat. LOL I grew red potatoes one year they did really well. better than the white ones which got too tangy flavored <_< it didn't like my clay soil i guess but the red ones were spectacular.

I got it WG and replied to you too. My MIL has a ring with a stone(crystal) made from the ash it is really pretty I think she left it to me in the will. Does anyone know who Becky is She was in Charge of Great Falls, Montana in the early 80's... And No I don't remember her last name I have been trying and it is there, it is just elluding me. I think she was 6th Corps.

((Hugs Hopeful)) Change is always painful and can be the best thing ever sometimes. So many changes have already happened in your life. I would say lots of encouraging things but they are all just platitudes. In my life I have found that no matter what I choose and how bad things get in the end it brings a new something to my life. And let us just say all my choices have not been the right ones or seemed it at the time. Look online in the area of your family and see what kind of jobs are availabel and if they fit your credentials and or the type of job you want. Then close your eyes and jump in with both feet. (This has only once resulted in a truely bad decision for me TWI which eventually brought my husband and I together so not all bad :) )

Okay I just came back and decided I better add some to my last post. I have had more time to go through some of the old posts and to listen to some of the grease spot radio posts. and I have officially revised my opinion.. VPW was corrupt from way back.. maybe even the beginning. IT is something I am still working my way through... We left (Hubby and I) early in 83...we left quietly because he was struggling to find work and felt he was failing as a Corps grad. we left because we thought we were out of fellowship. We thought we would be grease spots by midnight... but what happened was we made a new life. Thanks Oakspear and Geisha for all your information all over Grease spot. You inspired me to go give it a closer look.

In every Forum or site there are always a core of those who post... the reality is that those who post is only I think about 10% of who frequent the site. Of those 10% there is I think 1 or 2% that are undesirable I guess would be the word... people who have chosen to be angry and or vocally mean... usually if you met them face to face they would never talk to you in the way that they feel comfortable talking (writing) on a web forum.. there is nothing like the anonymity of the web for bringing out the worst in some people. No matter what site you go to there is this factor... unfortunately because of the unique nature of the site here Paw has made himself more available than some one would be on other sites on the web. That to me speaks volumes about who Paw is. About what the mission of this site has been ... and tells me that there have been people who have found great healing here as well as those who unleash their hurt and anger on others on the site and on Paw. Of course people would carry on if the site was no longer here... and the information as Paw said would be available for those who wandered in here, But for me at least the ability to talk to others it has added an extra layer of comfort and understanding. not because I wouldn't have read through all the information. I am working on that every day.. but because by talking to some of the different posters on here I have found validity in what has been written. I know I am a bit cynical but you run into sites all the time where the reply's and posts are fabricated. Many of the names here are people I remember from TWI.. not that I knew personally but that I knew of or that I saw teach there or that know friends of friends.. you know the old six degree of separation thing. I don't know what the right answer is.. other than Paw should have release from the burden he is carrying. HE is a wonderful warm man .. Who has proven over and over again that his understanding of God's word and the principles that Christ put forth are the center of his life. That he has made this site the way it is just adds to the whole picture. Again I add my voice to those already here as a resource to helping in any way I can. I know I am new here but I too want to help in any way I can...

Flannel Sheets and Jammies are okay if She asked for them. The best gifts are things people want. with some fun thrown in

Well I think it should stay open but I also think Pawtucket should have a life too. I am new here so I know I don't have much right to really say much but this is how I feel. yes the information is there in the old threads but For me the thing about GSC that has helped me the most is my interactions with other grease spotters. They have directed me to other threads and they are right there when someone goes off on some bizzarro tangent. To give some balance. The Moderators are un obtrusive and most people on here seem to genuinely care about one another and try to help people who wander in. I know the site is yours Paw to do with as you please but I wish there was some way that you could allow or direct those of us willing to help out with the site jump in and take some of the burden off your shoulders. NO pressure here or anything like that ; ). Also I believe a lot of the current threads are helpful to people too, even if they are rehashing what was said before. I love the forgiveness thread and for me at least I have found a peace with my past and I am still digging into the doctrinal errors and working my way through all that. I love the Grease spot radio and I have listened to about half of those so far. Best of all is talking to former wayfers like myself and finding out who I knew is where and finding out some of the things I felt or encountered were not just me. Learning about what people have done. What ever you decide I know it will be what is right but I hope some how it can be kept open.

But But I just got here!... I just found my way here..... :( Sorry that was kind of selfish of me... IF there is any way we can help Well I can help I am in for a penny in for a pound. :unsure:

This is AWESOME. I love it and it is sooo true. (Sniffle) The very best part about me comin to GSC is that well besides meeting all of you on line IS that I got my Christmas back. Thank you for this.

Forgiveness is such a complicated issue... There seems to be many colors to it. only God can forgive some one their sins so what is Christ talking about when he says to turn the other check to forgive 70 times 7. We do not hold the power to forgive a persons sins. so I wonder if it means more for you to understand what the person did and why. I do not believe for a minute that forgiving some one for an atrocity that they perpetrated on me means that I am to lower my guard and allow them to take advantage or hurt me again. Forgiving them does not ever mean that I need to continue on in their company and if that person is purposefully going out to do harm to others I believe it is my spiritual obligation to warn other people. The more I read this thread though the more I realize I really do not understand what exactly Christ meant by forgiving others ... and now I do not trust any one else's study of the scripture and half the time I worry I am not reading it correctly myself.