leafytwiglet

Some how I expert this to end up on fail blog if it hasn't already!

I think you have nothing to fear in regards to having a thread end up in here unless you specifically but it here. Okay say we weren't using it to be relegated to the dungeon... what topics would get put into this category. All the Sheet the IS Sheet. This could be a really fun thread haven.

How funny you said that about the feather.. that is what I did when I first started touching him.. I stroked him with a feather and a straw reed.

I wouldn't take it too much to heart Jeff . So far the only thing in here is our joke thread.

LOL I have wished fervently to be able to apologize to those I introduced to TWI

LOL you Guys are funny. I shall now always think of ti this way and George Happy birthday to your daughter.

Well for me and My spouse we left early on and it really had more to do with what we perceived as our own lack of believing and inability to get work(we were in the middle of the early 80's recession) We felt we were failing the ministry.. Funny thing was we got work right away once we left. .. I am not sure if that signifies anything at all but it was our reality. Having looked at what people have written here, I suspect we would have been forced to leave 4 years down the road if we had stayed anyway... so I guess We just lucked out. (My spouse was Corp and I was Spouse Corps??? meaning HE married me even though I was not a Corps person) It was intimated by the LC that I would need to go through Corps training at some point. I am pretty certain that would not have happened.. I was already starting to not be too enthusiastic about the VP worship. And One of my WOW Brothers had left Corps Because of it. Do I feel my service to God was in vein because VP hijacked some one Else's ministry. Nope not for a second. I know where my heart was. I know that I went WOW because of my love of God and my desire to Serve God. IT facilitated my ability to make my walk with God stronger. I was also lucky as the 9 of us that served WOW together were of the same mind and heart regarding GOD. and we focused on having fun and spreading the word and growing. ( Interestingly our focus was more on fellowship with people than running classes.. Yes I know Shame on us) I regret a lot of things in my life and I worry about those people I introduced to the ministry as I would hate for a single one to have endured the pain of many of the people who post here. I know there was some wretched awful stuff about the ministry but many things touched my life Not VP but the people who became a part of my life, the people who I came in contact with, The bible I read, I spent much of my WOW year reading over Romans and Ephesians. The memories I made and the peace I found on the WOW field (I came from an abusive home life) I can not tell you how many times I would sit in our WOW living room and pinch myself because I was free. My WOW year was not an easy one but for me it was a major turning point and a true blessing, in my life. Yes I now know how truly lucky I was in this regard. Sorry if that is kind of off topic.

Well to me those are big steps. here is what I have been doing with my one feral Kitty. When I go out to feed him at night and sometimes in the morning he will now let me pick him up for a moment but only in that one place and he will now (Well twice now) He let me pick him up and sit in a nearby chair for a scratch and cuddle. When I first started picking him up he hated it. but I would grab him before he could eat and hold him for just a count of five and then ten and at the same time scratch him around the ears. We are making slow but steady progress. THE only place he lets me pick him up is by his food dish and if I try to carry him in the house I get the scramble to get away thing so all cuddles are out side by the food dish. I hope in time your babies will let you carry them and cuddle them.

But look at the pretty color. sparkly shiny Ohhhhh :blink:

Just for a bit more clarity fruity beers versus beers with a fruit like taste are two different things. Some ales have a hint of fruit flavor or aroma as opposed to an ale with fruit added to it. and speaking of this our bottled batch for today is an Abby Ale (pale but to me it is a medium golden color) with a hint of blueberries to it. I will let you know how it tastes in a few weeks when the first bottle is opened. Also anyone interested in trying their hand at beer making .. there is a nice Mr beer kit. that works really well and is not too expensive, and easy to use. We have moved on to much larger batches but Hubby started with the Mr beer kit.

George it had to be after 82 I never heard of it while I was in. Maybe tied to the high country caravan. The whole push toward country started right about when we left so after march of 83 I think.

Wow what an interesting discussion... mostly for me because it gives a bit of clarity to the artist conference they held in spring of 81. Weirwille was quite adamant that way artists should be focused on art that depicted scripture or PFAL or teachings from the ministry or to promote the ministry. The rest was just so much wasted time. IT was annoying on several levels. One being the supplies they gave to the art department at HQ and Rome and Emporia were Crayons and construction paper.(per the Corps in charge of those departments.. who made some amazing stuff in spite of it all.) They were told they were not artists if they couldn't put together a beautiful poster with those. IT was so limiting and cheep and such an affront I was amazed how many people put up with it. But then we all got quite adept at making up reasons why we needed to conform to VP's wishes. Another being having your talent hobbled in such a restrictive manner. I think it is so par for the course that he applied his same standards to the musicians who really were amazing most of them and singing and playing their hearts out, and the artists who were trying to help promote the ministry via their art.

Ahhh I love it. A woman after my own heart. It used to be guys had all the fun till women figured out that plumbing and electrical etc are incredibly satisfying... now I find more and more women willing to plunge into the former world of men. Here's hoping your project is successful Bramble.

Maybe this is where they will put some of those threads where everyone is fighting. This could be the place where threads go that are even too awful for the soap opera thread.

I think I agree that it was the announcement that LCM would be leading the ministry. . That is when the feel (For lack of a better word) of the ministry seemed to change at least to me. I realize there were incidents prior to this that were bad and that indicated the real intent of the ministry but from my perspective it was at the point when LCM began to exert his own ideas and began taking the reins that it slowly began to change. When LCM began to take over TWI was still growing. While VP was in control he certainly had control of the purse strings but he still left the twigs to somewhat govern themselves. For me there was a marked difference in the teachings that were out their once LCM began taking over. We left shortly after that but it was definitely seeping out from HQ to the twigs by the time we left. So if that was the spark.. then next stage would be the first exodus of a large portion of believers and Corps. I would put the super Nova at the point when all the abuse lawsuits began. No matter how you slice it the business implosion is tied into the actual physical growth of the ministry. IT was still growing when I left in 1983 and growing at a phenomenal rate. I do not think WOW was the impetus of the implosion. If anything WOW was still helping to grow the ministry. At least at that point. There wasn't even a big cost to the ministry versus the income generated via WOW. WOW was a win win for the ministry even though it may have been detrimental to some of the WOW's I think LCM's angry ministry is what sent it into a tail spin. and the behind the scenes stuff just was added fuel to the fire. Remember he was spewing his anger already at the Corps long before he took full reins. Anyway that is just my Opinion.

Even for me who had a relatively good experience while I was in TWI. I could not go back. Not when I now know how it was put together, and how much evil was there in the hearts and minds of not only the Founder but a majority of the top leadership. Even if I could look past that I could not look past the rapes , the deaths, the cavalier treatment of God's children. For most people the thing that got them involved in TWI was an interest in studying God's word and a desire to serve God. TWI pretended to offer that to us but really it was just an intricate scheme to get our money. No I will never go back.

Let's not forget that all important moment when the dang hits the Fan!

HI ROY Very nice job on Chapter One. IT sounds like your are making really good progress. God Bless you Leafytwiglet

LOL And there I was trying to figure out what was going to show up in here. I didn't even have to wait long This is where all the Poop gets flushed out

WordWolf THank you I hadn't gotten a chance to hunt it down yet! Gakkkkk! Pardon the unintended PUN!

Hmmm worship that is a tough question I think it is not only prayer but time with other believers and time studying the bible. Worship is also the times that you stop to recognize God even when you are alone. IT kind of encompasses a lot of things for me.

Being a spouse corps you got hints of what went on but never the whole picture. For me coming to GSC has been part understanding the dynamics for me but also part understanding where my Husband is coming from and why he does some of the things he does. Recognizing it all for what it is. And hopefully maybe finding a way to change some of the leftover TWI behaviors.

almost to the end of page ten and find the hunt close??? thread per word wolf.

LOL I wonder how this one has managed to stay out of soap opera

IT is like a dog chasing it's tail around and around you go. never ending never making progress A complete circle and for what? To argue with some one who only wants to argue. edited to add THe abuses happened. the sexual abuse the child abuse and the mental abuse they are all confirmed by court documents.