leafytwiglet

Hi Billy G welcome t the cafe. When were you involved with TWI and how long have you been out.. and Tell us a bit about yourself.. Did you go WOW or Corps and or were you just a twiglet. oh and here have a bowl of Pudding. BTW I have been out since 83 and was WOW and spouse Corp... But mostly I was just a twiglet.

See there Waysider Came along with even the session LOL Jinx Waysider you owe me a coke!

New Life VP spoke about it in the PFAL class ... about how in the far east people would just stop living when they wanted to.. Remember though this is VP who Lied when ever the chance presented itself. I suspect Geer just took a little more poetic license and used it for his own advantage. I do not remember what part of the class it was in but I think toward the end.. edited to add this is the point where usually some one comes out and points out how I am remembering it wrong and tells where it actually was but I am pretty sure I heard it in the class.

Hello any computer person out there I broke down and got a laptop and it has choke gag Vistas on it and I can not get any other programs to load on it. I hear windows 7 is out in a month ... any one heard any reviews on it yet? Good bad waste of time Will it help fix my issues? Or am I completely screwed!

Ditto On hunkering down for fall. My tomatoes (The large ones) are almost done but my Roma's are just building up a head of steam.. WOO HOOOO Spagetti Sauce here I come. and My Cukes are about spent and Cantaloupe just started being ripe.. and of course messes of green bush beans. Sigh I love Summer! For winter it is radishes/carrots/lettuce/beets/and I think I am gonna throw in some Broccoli in the boxes for tomatoes next year.. IT is a protection against wilt which we have in abundance here some years.

I am Chiming in with Twinky on this one we called familiar close family friends etc uncle SO and SO or Aunt SO and So even if they were not really an aunt or Uncle. It may have been one of those southern/Midwestern kind of things. I don't think people out west do it but iN Michigan when I was growing up you did and I know in Missouri they did too.. 60's/70's

Hi Paper trained. I am one of those people who have been out for a long time and happened on Grease spot recently. I haven't been coming for very long. I rarely go into doctrine but spend a lot of my time trying to sort out why and how I got involved with TWI in the first place and trying to shake some of the teaching out of my head. I left early on so a lot of this happened after I left but the teaching ... the wrong teaching was in full force. I find it helpful and I am thankful the long time posters are here. They have answered all my questions even though they have been answered before over and over and when you ask things politely they don't usually growl at you. I see by your post you came here before and perhaps you got all your questions answered then. I am still sorting my way through it. I am glad for you that you got healed and found some balance for your life. I hope you don't let this keep you away there are lots of fun posts in here besides all this there is the gardening section and a cat section and a lot of others I too am a student and well welcome back to grease spot hope you come around some more.

A fascinating web site I found about KUDZU I looked it up because I have heard so much about it but never seen it...

IT is a good thing Christ isn't around today or they would be suing him for calling himself "the way"

IT is interesting you brought this up... we continue to "tithe" as it were by sharing our abundance with those who we run into that have need. I have never forgotten when we gave some money to two just finished up their year WOW's who were really hurting financially and got yelled at for not giving our ABS to HQ..(because how could we possibly know what God wanted done with our ABS.... I can not tell you how much that angered me... I could see their need.. I was not an idiot... Oh and once we left our lives actually turned around for the better. financially and physically. God has blessed me over and over and I have tried to share that with those I encounter in my life. (just writing about it has made me angry again .... At the time i didn't know what I have learned on GSC but it still urked me)

you can get an inexpensive fish tank bubbler/pump for about $10.. IT is the part that puts air into your fish tank. Happily planted zinnias in all my pots... (this protects them from the gophers) they are beautiful. Tomorrow is cactus day. I have been rounding up all my clay pots and am going to fill them with as many different varieties of cactus as I can. We are just too dry to grow any other plants in them We get high winds most days during the summer so they dry out too fast even if you water them everyday. Thanks for the compost recipe. I will have to try this.. my compost is almost done. you can do the same thing with worm castings if you have a worm farm. IT is supposed to help protect against bug invasions.. (The worm casting tea) I have also heard that a spraying of diluted coffee works good for this too. Anyone here tried it?

Hmmm the pot is calling the kettle Black!

You all are pretty funny. Just a little clarity on TWI's Position on the internet when VP was around. At least to Corps I believe they preached that computers would be gone in a few years. I know when My husband told me this, I told him he was wrong. Just for business purposes alone they were an amazing machine This was around the time that the First Tandys were coming out. I think VP saw them only as a work application... For me and Yes I am a gadget girl I know but I saw them as this amazing fun toy and I hadn't even gotten my hands on one yet. Once Windows operating system came around to counter the apple/Mac revolution, making conputers usable for everyone no matter their understanding level it was just a matter of time until every one was online! By the way this was long after VP was gone.. so Yes Mr Revelation should have seen it coming. Anyway my two cents. For anyone who cares Windows Time line http://www.levenez.com/windows/windows_a4.pdf Announced in 83 launched Nov 20 1985...

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Thanks Twinky..((Hugs Right Back At you))) I never understood why my husband did not feel able to leave TWI in the light of day but now after I came here I finally understand why and what a horrible pressure he felt not just for our twig life but the decision to marry me and how that must have added ten fold times more pressure. If we had stayed would our marriage have survived intact.. I doubt it. We made the dead on Right decision to leave. Our lives have been so blessed since then...But it was not until I came here that I truly understood how right that decision to leave was. And even more important that the decision to not go back, was also the correct one.

LOL tazia at the time we felt like we were flaking out and really until I found Grease spot it felt like we had quit on God's Word.. We truly left before so much of what you all left about happened.. not that it wasn't going on but since we were in the more remote and less populated areas we really didn't know most of this stuff.. We just knew we were not happy ... Well he was not happy, I was beginning to really question and One night I told him how much sometimes I wished we were not twig coordinators and that it was difficult to be watched by all of the people in your twig who were just waiting for you to make a mistake, (we were running a twig near the Limb) and he said what if we left. and I said you mean Idaho and he said no I mean the Way. Would you come with me.. and I said with out a moment of hesitation of course I would come with you I love you why wouldn't I... Two nights later we left in the middle of the night Minus much of our belongings.. we took only what we could carry in our back packs... We felt like we were failures, we were struggling with making enough money to be financially stable and had been for over a year. and Hubby had been reamed out several times... We left the state and began our lives anew and it took a long time to feel like we had made the right decision... in fact it wasn't until sometime in 88 that I ran into a TWI believer and got invited to twig that I realized I would never go back... That gut feeling when something is dangerous that you get sometimes when know something is wrong but not what exactly. Well for me it wasn't until I came on here that I knew why I got that feeling. Now I know.

That is interesting.. When I married the Hubby (he was 9th Corps) It was allowed but we were told point blank that I would need to go into the Corps in a year or two or we would both have to go into the Family Corps.. (We flaked out before this happened)Oh we married at the end of 81 and flaked at the beginning of 83. (Such a narrow escape)

Idaho Limb Home was in Boise it is the capital of Idaho.... Montana Limb Home was in Helena, Also the state Capital. I have no Idea where it was in Colorado. At least that is where they were in the early 80's. So maybe it depended on which State you were in or the cost of rent.

Shellon (((Hugs)) to you and your girls... How very difficult life can be sometimes. Some may not understand the girls need to visit their fathers grave but it is about connection to this person you loved and lost and when you are a child that becomes a place where you can get connect to him(the grave site) and a place to grieve. I think the tree is a wonderful idea. I still go when I can to my fathers grave. It is comforting. I know it is just his bones there.. and that his spirit and soul are else where but it is all I have of him. SO yes I understand. Even if they were little and didn't know him very much yet it becomes a symbol in their heart of him. The tree is a truly wonderful idea.

79-83 we called ourselves and thought of ourselves as Christians and thought of ourselves as such, mostly claling ourselves believes.. But I would guess that changed in the mid to late 80's as LCM took over... NOT because the foundation wasn't there but because LCM really didn't get what he was doing and how VIC had set it up to catch the most flies. I will say this though that there was a pervading attitude that all other Christians just did not come up to snuff. and we were superior. It was shortly before I left that that attitude was really brought out.. by our LC and his wife... and at a branch function where people were making fun of someone's girlfriend She had attended the meeting she was a Born again Christian (You old timers will know what I am talking about) She went to one of the newer(at that time) evangelistic churches, and was saying praise God and stuff like that. THey were carrying onlike she was stupid and filthy... NOt just them but the bellievers that were in their twig. I stood up for her and got reprimanded... I found it appalling that our believers were making fun of her... It really made me angry. She was quite obviously a born again daughter of God... was planning on taking the class because she wanted to study God's word and they were making fun of her because she was saying praise God. And went to a Church.

THe sad thing about it is that all of it.. Way Corps, WOW program and Twigs could have been a truely remarkable thing .. (Yes I know PFAL = wrong teaching etc.. and weirwille was an egotist) but really the reason the Corps program and WOW sold so well is that people's intent was to serve God.. unfortunately it was the wrong horse to climb onto.. but the idea itself if properly executed really would have been something remarkable if... 1. We were not out there selling a class but telling about Jesus Christ. 2. The Corps were actually properly trained and then undershepperded before being let loose. 3. Twigs were allowed to grow at their own pace and not continually broken apart. 4. The whole point of TWI and Twigs was to bring people the Good news (That Christ had died for their sins) What sickens me is here I am 20+ years from leaving and granted the dang hit the fan after I left but I ask myself this as I read the opening post on here....(not to mention all the other abuses foisted upon some of us) How could I have been so blind that i did not see the biggest flaw of all. That we were selling a class and not really telling people about Gods word and about Christ. And not really teaching them how to read and study the Bible. It was all smoke and mirrors. I am most ashamed of that. That I was a Christian and did not recognize that TWI was not bringing people to Christ. Edited to add... people joined because they wanted to do something special for God and for other people. to serve God and share that .and they got their whole lives twisted into knots.

IT really wasn't that big. it was long and narrow with young growth trees vines wildflowers and black berry or black raspberry growth.. birds and bugs and like I said during the ROA it was quiet or relatively. mostly because the house of his healing presence was there and people were quiet because they didn't want to disturb those who were praying. I know when I went during the word in Business conference it was pretty much deserted, a perfect place to go and pray and walk and think. NOT sure how it was after 1982 but that is what it was like when I was there. I don't remember it being touted as spiritual at that time but I guess I was pretty oblivious to that stuff as I was never a Corps till my last ROA and just a spouse corps at that. being just a leafytwiglet we didn't know Anything of import.

I loved the way woods I went every time I was at ROA and the one time I went to the Word in Art Conference so all totaled it was 5 times.. They were very peaceful and there was this tree stump covered in vines (not Poison ivy) that I would seek out to sit on it was off the beaten path and was so peaceful and of course I always went to the house of his healing presence to pray. For me originally coming from Michigan but having lived out west since I was about 9 it was a delight and gave me some joy and nostalgic feelings. and I always felt at peace there. During ROA it was a oasis in a sea of people. The one place you could go that wasn't crawling with humans... and for my first ROA a much needed spot to pray and sort out what I was going to do. I had a decision to make and was not sure what to do.. So I have very fond memories of Way Woods. I took it for what it was a wild place left natural on a small family farm. IT wasn't very big but it was perfect for what I needed.. respite for my soul.

Well I can only speak for the few years I was in and one of those was as a WOW and the rest in Way Homes so yes our Corps did go out and witness with us ... but I was lucky as most of our witnessing involved just going to different places together and hanging out and meeting people... I only went door to door one time I hated that kind of witnessing because it was so uncomfortable .. My years in were 79-83 the areas were Montana, and Idaho I won't count Colorado as I took the class and pretty much went wow 6 weeks later about so I wasn't around to go witnessing for there but The Corps is who put together the class I took in Colorado and there were about 20 of us in that class.. Again I reiterate that the corps at that time where I was at out west was very laid back...

LOL OMG Mstar I totally forgot about Beautiful Ohio... Sadly it jumped right into my head as soon as I read your words.. Thanks for my ear worm for today. HEhehehehe