leafytwiglet

Well then perhaps you should start sharing what is in the foundational class you just took. also you are obviously new to twi you said this is the second time you have taken the PFAL class? Yet you said your father posts or posted on here at one time... hmmm a conundrum!!!! at any rate since you are carrying on with the typical TWI arrogance I assume it is still put forth that TWI has the only truth!

HAppy Birthday EX10. and many, many, more

Well you all know my story... I googled grease spot for some removal tips.. and there right up at the top was the grease spot Cafe...(a meeting place for anyone who was impacted by The Way International) Imagine my surprise to find out the cherished ministry I loved but had left in 83 was not at all what I thought it was. I came on here with trepidation... not sure if I would be welcomed or shunned as we were persona non Grata at TWI for leaving the Corps... at one time I had run into a twig when my girls were little and was invited to come to twig ( they didn't know who I was, didn't have my name).. This was in 87 and I had that gut turning feeling you get when something is dangerous(okay maybe only I get that) .. and so I did not go.. even though Hubby said I should if I wanted to. I could not do it. Thank God I did not start up again with TWI. IT would have been a huge mistake. And so it has been a year now that I have been on here and all my illusions about the ministry are gone.. and all of the questions I had about doubtful practices are answered and I am still learning stuff.. I am up to working in doctrinal beliefs.. sorting that part of it out. I realize you all are on about a different time in the time line but for me, my world could not have been more shattered than it has been by Grease Spot Cafe. I can not even begin to tell you all, how thankful I am that you are here and have made the information you know available on here. IT seems silly.. since my life was not impacted nearly as much as others on here, but the ministry teachings were insidious and even after all those years away I am still finding my self having to work it out of my belief patterns and speech patterns . and thoughts. Some people on here call it finding their voice... LOL I call it release from my prisons (Bwahahaahaha) the TWI ones that I didn't know I was enslaved in.

Thanks PENWORKS. More and more I see how wrong I was about TWI... and what it really truely was!

Hi Theheckler Welcome to greasespot I stumbled in here too... but it has been for me a fortuitous situation. I stopped "searching for the TRUTH" TWI style long ago. I found on leaving TWI that I did not expire by God's hand or by any other.. I hope your time here brings you to a better understanding of TWI what it's origins are and what the reality of it are. As in any place you visit your expectations will dictate how it all goes. This is a place where people tell the truth about what they encountered in TWI . The good, The bad and the ugly (apologies for the stolen title, but it fits.) Most of the people who are here have suffered in some fashion at the hands of TWI leadership and the doctrine spewed by TWI and it's Founder VIctor Paul Wierwille. Or have learned of the duplicity of VP and many of the leaders of TWI.. since some of them are still running the show at HQ and other locations and since they teach much of the same dogma as before I doubt things have improved. but I am willing to listen to you tell of your experiences.. Do not expect me to wander willy nilly back. In any case some donuts to go with your coffee and WELCOME! :)

Anytime! I hope it answers some of your questions.. and feel free to PM me any time if stuff is too personal to post.. As a survivor of Child Abuse myself, I do understand and like I said there are others like you who were survivors of childhood in TWI.

Bumping this up to the top again.

Bumping this up for anew person. Here you go. I hope this answers some of your questions..

LOL the gophers do this in my yard sometimes especially with daffodil bulbs which apparently taste pretty disgusting to them, as they do not eat them.... they will put them out side their tunnel in a little pile and I will find them and replant them.

Oh Yeah and Step four for me was figuring out that some of the icky stuff isn't just way brain but peoples real natures, mine included. After I was here for a while I started to figure it out.. Hmmm I think I just passed my one year anniversary of grease spot. anyway.. you make some great points.

Hugs Brainfixed... welcome to the long road out. Step one... we all have stinky stuff and way brain! step two... learning to eradicate the way brain! Hoists a big cup of coffee and a donut! Cheers!

SO sorry for your lose Abigail please accept my condolences too.

Jim.... no not really, she is actually fairly entertaining to watch ... and seems to have a pretty good sized following .. but for me it was too much like listening to a TWI Teaching .. and I tend to be suspicious of everyone. Hmmm knowing the porn star part of it makes it more interesting, and explains a bit of her personality.

Herbie.... This is awesome.. Congrats and Mea Culpas to you!

Hey Spec.. you are right and there were actually a few people doing independent study of the bible.. Some at HQ and some out in the twigs but if they tried to share anything that did not match up with PFAL they were shot down or told they were wrong or booted from TWI .. so Yeah I overstated the facts a bit, but one thing is certain most people in TWI were discouraged from studying on their own. And I was like you I bought that whole bs line that they were a research ministry and would change if some one brought a new perspective to a teaching. one side benefit of getting involved in TWI is I can smell a snow job coming now! <_<

I took the class for the specific reason of learning to understand and study the bible, and to learn to speak in tongues.. That was it .. nothing more than that... and of course I learned to speak in tongues.. but the other thing I learned early on in my time with TWI was that no one and I do mean no one was actually studying the bible.. they were studying PFAL. and anytime some one (okay Me, but I am pretty sure I was not the only one who got treated like this) mentioned trying to do any independent reading of the bible, or attempting to study a subject that meant some thing to you personally... you were shot down and told you were too immature (in the Word) and would be best served by studying the fundamentals of PFAL...go read the blue book, you don't really know how to study the bible, and you will mess it up and learn it wrong. This really irked me, and at first I followed along but it became evident to me in a relatively short time that we were not trying to use the newly acquired skills we had to actually study the bible but we were just repeating PFAL over and over again... And if you didn't want to be yelled at or chastised or told how incapable you were of being able to read the bible on your own, you had best keep any thing you were trying to do, to yourself. IT was an exercise in futility... take the class to learn to study but don't you dare actually study.

Interesting... Thanks Bell for finding it and posting the letter. If I had never been involved in TWI I would have read that and thought that TWI was in the right but knowing how they operate I suspect that JP was completely cut out of the loop... and I find it disturbing that they hold onto their government status as dictating their behavior and yet they completely ignore the morally appropriate way to deal with this... I find it intriguing that they chose their own behavior according to what financially benefits them the most! And JP too does the normal complain but no I am not taking this issue into my own home to deal with it stance. In fact he is using the situation to further himself rather than relieve Mrs VP's suffering.

Hey Brainy please continue writing and coming here.. and hashing out your feelings, because it helps not just you but everyone here and that is important. i grew up in an abusive home that had nothing to do with TWI it is what it was.. IT has taken me years to work through it. And it was not wrapped up in the bible to prove to me it was okay to treat me that way, or practiced by most of the adults in my life. I go through cycles of it bothering me or not bothering me.. for me I had to accept that it was what it was and it was part of who I am today .. I also spent a lot of time thinking about it... mulling things over in my mind... and determining what parts of who I was today because of it, that I needed to change and figuring out strategies to change them. I think the thing about TWI that ....ed me off from the minute I heard it in the PFAL class .. was that thought process and the socially accepted practice of blaming the victim for what happened to them... I sat stunned in PFAL listening to VP say that every victim shared responsibility in their abuse... I tried to wrap my head around that thought and it just absolute ripped my heart to the last raw nerve. I had not had any counseling then and perhaps if I had been older or of a different generation it would have been enough to turn me away but it fit with my own belief that somehow the abuse was my fault.. WELL guess what None of it was my fault..just as none of the abuse you suffered was your fault. I was there and an adult chose me... VP was an foot and we just followed down that trail all together.. rats to his pied piper. It took having my own children and seeing how little they were and how they were completely at my mercy to really understand that it was not my fault. Anyway just remember this... as an adult you have the power to stay or go and to dictate your own life.. I am sure you held onto that hope as you were growing up just like I did... I just reminded myself every day that I would be free once i got done with school... I could escape then... And I physically escaped the abuse but it is 30+ years later and I am still escaping the abuse that lingers in my head and some of my reactions to things... I think that holds true for any person in an abusive situation Will I ever be free of them??? maybe when I die but for the most part I made peace with myself. and I still struggle with the rest of it... as to this place and what makes it work for some people and not for others I suspect it has to do with who they are and why they come here and how much they were hurt by TWI or how much they have chosen to keep TWI in their lives, or mental processes.

Happy Belated Birthday Paw, and wishes for many more to come!

For me TWI took away the magical fun of Christmas... When I was growing up we had Santa and of course a beautifully decorated tree and angels and a creche and cookies .. beautiful stories my Grandma told every christmas to us children. TWI at the time I was in made it sort of okay but you always felt guilty about the tree and everything.. and god forbid you should have an angel or a creche. Well Greasespot gave me Christmas back.. Thanks .. I put out my Creche happily last year for the first time in years.. and I have my angels out and I played Christmas music and remembered all the fun times I had with my family growing up celebrating Christmas and how much we loved each Other! Best defense against the dark arts of TWI Ever!

I am with Ham I can't find the letter, can some one more skilled pull it up from the depths with a link Please?

Hmmm no not anymore.. Truth is not a solid thing like I used to think when I was young .. IT has many colors and shapes and is much more complicated than a simple saying or two some one throws out there. IT wears many coats and I doubt we ever really come to a full understanding of it.. just a little glimpse of it through the trees of life once in a while.

Hi Roy.. One more voice chiming in with a take your meds and do go to the Doctor.. They are there to help you. and as has been stated by others it is an evaluation.. Hang in there.... my prayers are with you my friend With love and a Holy kiss, Leafy

Grease spot is the truth about TWI site.. not the VP was wonderful site, and yet I have posted about my good experiences with TWI on here and never had anyone attack me... but I sure as heck have gotten healing that I was not looking for. which I remain grateful for... For me coming here was not about finding my voice, it was about stumbling in accidentally, and then wanting to find some old friends, and then reading with amazement and horror about things I suspected, or wondered about. It has become an adventure in understanding what happened to me .. to my spouse .. to TWI after i left. It has been a lesson in finding out that I didn't fail God when I left but actually was doing the right thing. IT has been ... for me the opportunity to shed the bad parts of TWI that I knew were bad or suspected were bad and some that I thought were the truth but weren't, it has been learning all the things that were horrific that I did not know about, because of where I lived, or when I left. Sometimes when I read stuff people post I struggle with it, because I was not involved with TWI as long, but I read it anyway because I know I NEED to read the truth of it all. When Brainfixed and Bolshie post I read it and think of the fact that my kids would be feeling like that if I had stayed in. When some one comes in swinging and everyone jumps in the fray there are always people who are there to pick them up and dust them off.... The healing on here for me did not come from some one being kind and gentle although there were many kind people who answered my questions and shared their own life stories with me.. The healing for me came when I read the threads and when I read what the active posters were writing, and as I came to see with my own eyes in my own time what the ministry really was, what I had thrown away part of my life on... what a scum bag VP really was and that I was not alone. And for me an important component of this site is being able to post with real live people not just read it in the threads but find people posting on here about their experiences. Edited to add as usual I have run off at the mouth but I wanted to also add that I don't think anyone needs to change how they act on here.. it is truth and how people really are. People aren't all nice .. some people are prickly. and I have yet to go on any forum where there were not arguments and scuffles in the threads! Okay I am done I think! :)

LOL Hmmm I ate the wilted stalk of celery yesterday I of course have the catsup and some Mayo and mustard... and home made jelly... this week it is blackberry.... some cheese.. the usual veggies lettuce carrots some old yogurt that needs tossed... the sourdough bread starter that needs to be turned into bread again one of these days. Beer of course, and milk, and almond milk for me.. also we have some tofu and soy noodles,and a brand new roll of salami for hubby.. Oh and I almost forgot Butter! Also a couple of containers that need tossed with out opening!They were left overs! The freezer has pizza and apricots and blueberries and peppers and Marie Calendar pot pies, chicken and steak and pork chops,some home made veggie soup also some home made beans... and two big frozen turkeys to be cooked at some undisclosed time in the future. and assorted other items of dubious content.