excathedra

forgive yourself waysider, he forgives you i'll bet everything will come out in the end

ham, i'm sorry, but based on your post, i dont' think you understand or "get" anything i say

drunk but a real thinking person anyway this is for my dear bud simonzee i don't think this is self indulgent, i think it was a cry from the kids perhaps getting in to the way whatev for you my sweetie simon

i am so not noble i am drunk here is song that i wish could happen to me but it never will but i have jesus christ (should that be christ jesus lol puke) waysider if don't put this song in right, fix it please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Xl17B-Z0A

when i say one or two and that i'm not sure i sound like a liar i think i may have discussed the lock box with another girl but the one i'm talking about that i believe i hurt too much was the one who came back from our interim year of giving l. scum loserdale BJs while he talked to his gay wife on the phone he told her the pressure he was under blah blah f'ing blah i think i justified to her somehow and i cannot forgive myself for that a couple years later maybe she saw or maybe now i hope so -- i can't really remember what i said to her -- i'm just thinking it was the same thing i was using in my head to excuse this horrible stuff

i forgot to say please forgive me

i feel like i should have known better in so many ways -- for myself -- and for all the unbelievably wonderful nice loving people i "witnessed to and undershepherded" -- but i really didn't know THEN what i know now and i went into the f'ing way corps program from college where i got witnessed to and it was all downhill from there i hope anyone i hurt knows i didn't mean it and even when i was trying to get through my own crap and told a couple of oh i'm too ashamed to go on -- there were one or two girls (one i believe) where i said some spiritual f'ing crap about you know later

i'm just sick sick sick sick reading this the money raked in, the books, etc, etc, and the poor lovely people who went there ESPECIALLY from overseas i'm going to puke i can't even..... i'm sorry it's too much for my brain -- i do have to address one other important thing anything in life would be marred by the presence of psycho but honestly there are many more in that boat, i just hate him the most, but i think that's ignorance perhaps

damn it socks you're just mad you had to sign an agreement to release him/them if the fellas in the white coats carried you out of there

someone corrected me that pat and mary were both trained in the way leadership should behave i guess that's how you get to be a leader in most instances -- i do believe the most outrageous statement i heard in a corps twig was some tape by a psycho named geer -- blaming me for the downfall of the way ministry -- but i guess i should thank him since that was what spurred (?) my exodus i really would never thank that piece for anything -- the other outrageous thing that was said at that twig meeting was that we "corps" weren't allowed to "share" the details of that meeting with "regular" "little" believers -- which my husband and i immediately did oops not good leaders are we!!!!

that was funny don't worry be happy even though i got a headache from reading it

hey jim :wub: pat powell is such an azzzzzhole i sincerely hope mary figured that out jim had the weakness of humility and truly believing in our lord jesus christ and genuinely loving oh man don't get me started

Wierwille said to Jim Doop

around 71 vpig said to him

i was trying to find something maybe from what jim doop wrote when he went to HQ jan 69 and after -- he mentions kurt cushing, howard yeremian, doug white ??? anyway he also talks about wonderful glenda sue mahoney but what i really found interesting is when wierwille went out to CA in 70 and after a great pfal class was sitting around with jimmy and judy and asked them what it was like to attend an orgy, which upset them very much, to where they tried to believe they misheard him wierwille told them "you know that's available -- god put it in 1 corinthinas 7:1 -- it is GOOD for a man not to touch a woman -- "If it wasn't available to have sex outside the marriage, god would have said "BEST" instead of "GOOD"' it's so nice to understand the difference between good and best, isn't it

opera buff i would have loved to be in your twig :wub:

forgive me, BUT why would our lord and savior our holiest of holies our god's only begotten, our everything, etc. etc. ever be on the same subject as this disgusting one ((water boy king or whatever i glazed over)

ohmygod you could have f'ing water or tea at the head table although i would have preferred veepee bastud's drink

WTF stand on their own WTF does that mean as if i care but here i am posting yeah you can stand on your own once you let wierwille get you on the coach but i guess that would be you lie down on your own pppppffffffftttttt you know once you've been "taken" sexually by the big creep of our day and time, it changes how you look at everything but sometimes it takes a while to me it's no better had it been frikkin rosalie who did it to me -- or should i say it's no worse i forget it's kind of like that thing what do you all say i could not care less or i could care less :)

yes i see the point he could have had all the legit degrees in the ficking universe and i still would have no respect for him you know even the elite educated can be rapists abusers you get what i'm saying

some people are bassturds like the good doctor

well, i don't know if this one counts because it was in-house (be especially good to household of faith and all that) i buzzed vp on his ext. at HQ and told him geer was destroying the life of a dear friend of mine in britain he said -- ps. frankie vallie wrote rag doll for me :)

ohmygod i might like being at this boring place because of patanswer and cara ;)

thanks all excellent thread i needed to laugh

twinky really nice post above thanks