excathedra

happy birthday dougie :)-->

i wonder if leaders of churches and twi offshoots require loyalty statements, certainly not to this degree, do you think ? i never cared for veepee's tears and how "we" his "kids" were breaking his heart. get real you jerk life's not about you. and psychogeer found it a privilege to be first in line for the yelling and screaming. man i wish i could be that spiritual. and he could dish it out too. he ruined a good friend of mine.

and your point is ? ;)-->

hopie, i actually forgot geer's passing of a big fat yawn came out later.... for me personally, wierwille's death was my "freedom" in a sense. i was still "in" so i might not be telling the "truth" but he was main worship squeeze :)--> (but it did take me A LOT of years to overcome stuff after his death (as you and your dearest husband) well know love, me

the few people who "destroyed" who i was.... a couple of them are dead and "other(s)" not too long for this life.... i have no desire to judge or have a confrontation session but that's ME but if i feel like talking about it, that's also my right

i don't know what view i see now, catcup, but i certainly appreciate your perspect -- and others my immediate reaction, at this moment, is how cruel wierwille and geer could be. not talking about craig (at the moment :)-->). i just think geer is a nutjob and i think wierwille was very very very cruel if craig was at a point of suicide, i think geer had so much to do with it, but remember who his "god" was. as a matter of fact, same for craig..... i'm a little peon so glad i don't see things spiritually...... like these guys did.... any longer.....

hoper, i'm not sure if i have a "specific" memory of ANYTHING ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha i do remember how gross his whining sounded anything to do with him was always gross to me i used to like craig way back where i can't remember :)--> but i never really saw him as others have.... although i did get a letter from him that burned my fingers when i touched it. but that was before the call to loyalty.... oh man what a bunch of.... you know what love you

....and i noticed somewhere in craig's letter (before i just laughed and stopped reading) that he said something about jesus told his "men" (did you hear that rosie and donnie) ha ha ha ha ha that they would be known by their love take note ~ old veep, craiggy and sceery geery..... all kinda missed the mark.... and avoided..... couldn't help myself on the avoid thingy

kevlar, i'm excathedra but i'll be carnal with you ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha sorry couldn't resist. that was funny what you said :)-->

i wasn't around during the fog or pledging allegiance i always believed geer to be a sicko. i wondered about the passing of the poop. i thought it could have been the general dictating his final orders to the buck private or the buck private could have made plenty of it up i felt sorry for don at least and maybe even others mentioned the thing about the USA way corps being responsible for the downfall of the ministry was so typically geer but wierwille also i don't know. my memory is foggy....

i don't know JT ** *leaders* assholiness herbie ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

that is disgusting really disgusting. it's sick. that limb leader should have a porcelain something shoved up his nose that's horrible how could anyone do that ? angels are nice. the poor thing had to hide them. and then oh gosh all that absolute crappola after she passed away. who do you want next in your family to die !!!!! oh god forget that one. i can't even address it. THAT IS SICK, WRONG, TWISTED, MEAN, CRUEL, ROTTEN, F'D UP.

no but thank you so much Jim and all i'll let you know what we do

your take on things, hope,is way more real (geez louise can't seem to get away from that word "way" ;)--> than mine

forgive me for not reading all this of course he would stil be pres. without the lawsuits. just like veepee was no exposure, no crime, sin whatever i'm interested in how rosie and craig and donna worked it all out

it's good to see you LLP but ;)--> are those bodies alive ???? :)-->

i no longer view life or folks as right or wrong just a give and take all of us trying to just get along.... hugs to you mcarr i think you're great

i'm fine and you ? i love you

no time to read but that pic.... monkey weed

when i first "got out" (love you igotout), i had a similar difficulty.... for ME the problem was ME. i don't know how to explain this. i've been thinking about it on and off all day i think, once i started to relax a bit and love myself, it became easier to relax around others most times in present day reality, i listen more than i talk. and i find people really like me because they LOVE to talk about themselves ;)--> ;)--> ;)--> i say uh huh uh huh..... they think i'm smart ;)--> ;)--> ;)--> but seriously most folks just want to be loved unconditionally, and understood, right ? ps. i need to learn this lesson here

oh gosh is my face red another boy told me today the exact same thing you said mstar and i looked at him like he was crazy as i reached for the clicker.....

you people here are so brilliant right now i'm thinking of glueing this bird that's on my shoulder onto the food chain board ;)-->

ps. kryssie it's my son who doesn't think it looks realistic, not the teach :)-->, but what you said maybe could convince him !!!!!!!!!

wow maybe we could put the little hawk up in the air......

ohhhhhhhhhh that's why it's supposed to be a hawk. i forgot kryssie thank you mark.... now i'm searching online for zoo merchandise this is driving me batty