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In Missouri court, a choir director claims minister raped her Thu Apr 21, 6:17 PM ET By Emanuella Grinberg, Court TV "Finestead was uncontrollable, and the only one who could have controlled him was the church, his boss."when catholics took legal action against pedophiles in boston (for instance) and the TWI couple and then the lady filed suit, did they sue "the church" along with the individuals? is that how it's typically done?

Florida Readies Sex Offender Bill Fri Apr 22, 7:55 AM ET Top Stories - Los Angeles Times By John-Thor Dahlburg Times Staff Writer (could be a good idea for priests too.... those retreats they send them to don't work out very well)

wow tref, how nice to see you here !!!!!!!! did you read on the forums that paddy herron (one "r" or 2 i forget) is writing bestsellers about giants or something in the bible. sounds interesting plus he'll probably get rich (unlike me) but maybe he'll sponsor me mick heron was in the 9th with us. paddy 11th. do you know them ?

that's funny so are the rest of the postsi'm always asking people "excuse me" i think they're talking to me. now my kid is talking into a mic on team speak on the computer and i'm always saying "what" it's terrible. i think everyone's talking to me but no one is. could give you a complex :(--> ;)-->

now that's funny

i have to tell you this. my kid (10 years old) was talking to one of his friends on team speak while they play "call of duty" so this other kid (not sure if he's from another state or another country, will have to find out) starts telling him about this awesome bubbly water you can get at health food store this kid actually buys it with his own money and then hides it from his other siblings !!!! i said, oh wow there's a fight going on about that water at greasespot he said to me, "you all fight about things at greasespot?" i started laughing and said yeah well, sort of..... he said, "what do you call it, word wars?" i thought that was cute. anyway, he asked me if he could try some of the water. i said sure, but don't take a liking to it, i don't have that kind of money !!!!!!! this kid drinks water (regular bottled) like there's no tomorrow bye

check out this link. it has an article (well in a few part series), scroll down, bottom right, and read about "the vows of silence" http://www.takingfive.com/default.htm#new

i don't know, danny, i'm kinda scared to venture down there ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha please bring the new light up when you get it ;)--> ;)--> ;)-->

http://www.snapnorthwest.org/trail_of_pain...ch_crisis_l.htm i got all my catholic threads mixed up, not sure where i wanna post this

he also said he was convinced that the press in the USA intentionally manipulated the news about priests sexually assaulting children because they wanted to discredit "the church"

"the enforcer" -- i think his name comes up in the book, "Vows of Silence: The Abuse of Power in the Papacy of John Paul II" by Jason Berry and Gerald Renner i'll let you know when i finish reading it

derail for danny, did you see they might have come up with some more gospels

i am sorry, stayed too long, for cursing and telling you to shut up. i reacted to your post. the only thing i did was leave a message at the little league phone number asking the president or vice president to call me back. not only was the rule not stated anywhere, the board member(s) when i signed up mentioned NOTHING even when i asked. i never yelled at a coach, i never yelled at the jerk who called me back. i hung up on him when he continued to talk down to me. enough anyway. i understand more about coaching and volunteers than you realize, but then again you don't me. i'm sorry i was so rude to you. i took your post to be rude also. peace

DAMN it. letting the kids play is what i THOUGHT it was about but the longer i live, and the more i see, politics and bull.... is what i need to learn that goes for all sports and you know i think most men live vicariously through their children. that's why i think my objective questioning was worth a piece of ****

if that's what they're about foot hole there never would have been a problem oh will it really ? thanks call me and wake me up

why don't you shut the **** up ? he has not learned anything about being a victim. you don't think he KNOWS it's because he was singed up late by ME ???? guess what it didn't matter before this year **** you twice guess what ? the rules last year were different than this year ? and they say NOTHING about late sign-ups in the community, on the web site, or over at the field. in fact, they ADVERTISE it's never too late to sign up. i didn't even know what a draft was (neither did he) until this year again, SCREW YOU ps. i said NOTHING to the coach or to ANYONE, NOTHING. i called the head of the league to just ask about the "new" rule. and it went downhill from there, by HIS mouth and attitude, not mine. so shut up

the main thing i would tell them is i went to him for counseling (at 18 yrs) about having been sexually abused as a girl. he told me God's will was for me to get healed by having sex with himthere's more but that's the gist

don't get mad at me, but i don't have time to read this thread today i was over a friend's house and her little girl had a framed letter in her bedroom from President and Mrs. Bush saying how much they enjoyed Flat Stanley's visit. i felt like crying

not ready to read this yet, too sad :(-->

thank you long gone for your thoughtful response. i appreciate it. and mark, your comment to long gone about his ability to look at the facts, rubs me the wrong way. but i'm guessing it wasn't personal in any way, just my whole "take" on the subject this study.... i don't know.... first of all, what percentage of victims report abuse ????? do you know ? and what percent of perpetrators (sp?) cooperate with these studies ? ** like i said, i'm coming at the subject from firsthand experience. the "facts" in these studies don't really impress me that doesn't mean we should argue, nor does it mean i'm close minded peace

nonsense !!!!! say 3 "hail marys" and 4 "our fathers" for even thinking such a thing. i said "about" the only people i know (love you, dear) and was really referring to all my relatives and every friggin person in my neighborhood and where i work and where i shop and where i........ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha halove you, shar * throw in a good "act of contrition" while you're at it

oh thank you jonny. i appreciate it very much. i don't think Z's comparison was realistic regarding what advice i was trying to get, but hey.... anyway, things are fine. my kid is happy and outside playing basketball at the moment. he made the pee wee hockey team he wanted to make last night. he can't wait for his next baseball game. and on and on. i think i was so upset because no one told me the rule and he was crying and just wanted a chance to pitch now and then. and when i called the person to ask about it, he was rude and crude and just plain mean. so that made me all the more sad and frustrated, not to mention how guilty i felt for signing him up late and causing the whole thing. i know life is full of lessons, but sometimes you don't want the lesson to be your fault as a parent. but maybe that's a lesson too. stupid parents (me) are not perfect. after talking to the mayor (who managed little league for YEARS) and talking to you all, and then my brothers and brothers-in-law this weekend (they are coaches and little league vets, etc.), i'm okay, and so is my darling boy thank you for your kind advice and perspective, all of you. being a mother is hard for me at times. i want to CONTROL his happiness ;)-->. but this arrogant rude condescending head of the league could have helped me A LOT just by talking to me and explaining how things evolve. but he told me i couldn't understand that 10 years old means "serious ball." and of course i had no right to question "the board." (i had no preconceived ideas about him until he went nuts on me, with his power, or whatever you call it.) thank you again. you guys are the greatest. if i don't watch out for his kid, who will ? ;)-->

hi long gone. gosh i don't know. i don't think the mess has ever been or ever will be cleaned up. i also think the vatican, pope and higher ups only got involved when things starting becoming too public to ignore. i also believe the pope and most heavy duty catholics care about "the church" (the entity, the tradition, the "thing" i don't even know what to call it) not the people, except maybe where people and buckaroos are matter. and i don't know if i believe incidents have decreased. well maybe bishops, cardinals, priests, what have you, have been shaken up and realize they better watch it but anyone i know who has "stopped" abusing in the church only did so when getting caught and in most cases that took years and years as far as tempering judgment with your own limitations, well i have never considered my own limitations having anything to do with raping young children in the name of god as you may guess, this is a very hurtful subject for me given my upbringing in the catholic church. many parishes now have boards or committees of "lay" people evaluating the accusations of abused victims. but around here at least, they are catholic lay people, and i want to tell you firsthand what a terrible joke it is i doubt the pope or anyone would have viewed the abuse as a crime. i know too many men high up in the organization that send their pedophiles away for a while.... and i don't mean behind bars yes there will always be sickos - in my opinion more than a few - drawn to "the ministry" or priesthood but i think it goes way deeper and darker and has existed longer than people can imagaine. i have no argument with you or anyone really. but i do feel strongly about this. and i am coming from an emotional place, i have to tell you. i don't care for religion. seeing the hurt and destruction i've seen in the catholic church makes it oh so hard to think of the good ** ps. this is not directed at you, long gone, it's just a general comment -- i never cared for how wierwille and definitely martindale put down the pope and the catholic church. their reasons for detesting them and making fun of them seemed wrong to me. and i didn't think it was in good taste.

galen, i only just noticed you wrote me: jail comes to mind ;)-->** shar i think satori might have been making the opposite point ** long gone, you tell me when a person who is in charge of the whole thing has no blame excuse me i didn't say that right. he would not be able to control what his priests, bishops, cardinals, do. but he sure as hell could do something about it once he knows. i think you're kidding yourself

catholics are: about the only people i know -- and love i can't get into the debate much since most of my feelings are due to personal experience