excathedra

thanks sunesis and jonny and you guys no not "the house of acts" i owe 20 bucks to onion eater for a copy of that :)--> this is "when the hippies found jesus" and subtitled i think "ears to hear" also says a true story of the sixties, by jimmy e. doop i know he and johnny socks have talked about getting it out. also paw and a few others said they are willing to help. i'll see what he's doing or wants to do since it's his story to tell but in the meantime, here's one of the things i was referring to: hey dear sunesis, he and heefner have been friends since kindergarten !!!!!!

i get as upset when priests get off (ha no pun intended)

i don't know mstar, there were a lot of cheers but i get your point does anyone "win" a murder charge ? hopefully not

haven't read the ******* thread just want to say it isn't my fault sowwy bible fans about my language

i'm confused but i think that's my gift ministry

sunesis, funny you should say that. i'm reading jimmy doop's take on what happened back then. he and judy ONE time got involved in an orgy or a swinging singles thing as hippies and left after 20 minutes. they also felt they had been delivered from this type of thing when they got born again. wierwille was the first minister ever to keep asking them what it was like and for the details. they were shocked.what else ? (i don't feel like paging through his book). jim had given up drugs and booze and when he went to ohio this "man of god" came down the stairs of his house with drink in hand and first thing he did was offer drinks.... there's so much more. i think heefner and jimmy and their friends in CA were doing something good. then they hooked up with wierwille and it wasn't long before he broke his word and told them they had to bring the money in to HQ and stop operating like he had originally set them up. another thing wierwille told doop is that if you ever get accused of messing around with someone other than your wife, call the accuser a LIAR because you as the man are more important than the woman. i'll have to get the quote out. or we'll have to help jimmy get his book published or on the internet. he's actually quite kind in his review of the facts in my humble opinion. wierwille also said he had tried running the ministry (or getting the word over the world) with love but he decided it didn't work and fear would have to be the way to do it. it's crazy, but i believe him. he talks about abortion and things wierwille said way before i got involved. -- you know, i've always said "sex" wasn't the issue in my case. i had been sexually abused about 8 years before meeting wierwille. i told him all about it (looking for help). he used that ...... now is that sick or what ? more later maybe i got a kick out of doop's first visit to HQ and he was VP and next time he went back, this guy was DOCTOR wierwille. oh well ego, money, i don't know.. .. i call it self-serviing and cruel.... certainly not "spiritual" ps. i am not surprised to think that he was surprised how everything starting "moving" since really he had nothing to do with it

very damaging and i'm so sorry i don't have the words many many hugs

and say a quick prayer for that one slob ;)--> ;)--> ;)-->

excalibur did someone call me ? ;)--> i wish i could be with you. i've never been and i really want to go. not a gambler but open to temptation :)--> my little dear is "graduating" from 5th this week. and then on to the bus and the big bad middle school have a blast linzee and put in a quarter and think of me mwah my dear

haven't read that one yet allan :)--> -- dear sis ex, i keep meaning to ask you, did you / your family have money ? or offer prestige to the way ? i only ask because sometimes i saw a kinder face on the mog in those instances

dear allan, i take no issue with you, peace

wasn't referring to you, grey one :)--> i'm thinking that we try to fit him into our minds like our mind were then that's all

i agree and always nice to see you too i do not believe his "spirituality" would appeal to me now nor do i think he could do to me now what he did then man, i would punch him in the nose :)-->

can i come too ?

enslaved is a good wordpromise of freedom.... boy was i there.... dependence.... boy was i there.... in my humble opinion to todd and others, you are projecting in some ways.... because you're just not like him... does that make sense ?

my theory.... don't try to make someone out to be better than they are/were....

hmmmmmm thinking thinking i don't know about all this. he seemed to benefit the most. had all his needs met.... at our expense.... okay maybe if it turned out that my youth-and- then-some was for a worthy cause, but it just doesn't "fit" for me now if there's a god waiting to reward me for being a stupid a s s, i'm all for it i graduated college after three years, and instead of doing what i had planned, i went in the way corps i already had enough to overcome from my weird hurtful childhood.... i didn't think this god route would hurt me even more.... but that's how it turned out in simple terms, i think he sucked don't see the spirituality of it all now, but i do have interesting dreams

"arlene" wasn't so bad after all eh ?

i'm so happy to see you karmi

i love some hymns i really don't care for sing-along-the-ways

general ps. yes, i was screwed up, yes i was young, yes i was abused before, yes i idolized him, yes i didn't get the boundaries thing, yes yes yes but i never headed a "ministry" and tried to use or hurt anyone that's all i'm saying and he definitely didn't succeed until i was spiked

just checkin on my keeds

wow i love salt !!! are you saying this stuff is better for you ?

my dear friend, i don't know if he had spiritual clarity -- to maintain** this is a great thread i'm not in a position to decide whether he loved god. but i am in a position to say he did not love me as a human being - worthy of love and respect good lord, as far as sex and college kids and that stuff, no problem, i get it.... but i do have a problem with him.... it's a whole different story....

that just blew me away totally