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i'm not sure he was ever fine. what am i trying to say ? i was never fine either. i talked with him one-on-one many times but we were both so wierwille-ized i don't think it counts.

i agree

wow another honest person right sunesis ? ;) thanks toppy !

you're so funny rascal ** yeah that's wild, don't give me any of that standing with god crap. ha i didn't know he could be so honest

the pope is an old man and an &$*#(* much like veepee was i guess

thanks, laleo

here's how i see it. one nutjob outed another nutjob and finally a lot of us said, wow they're all nutjobsonce the big nutjob kicked the bucket it was all over, for me, personally maybe i grew up or maybe the spell was broken. i don't know but i'm glad well that's not true exactly. i hung on for a while until geer went off and then i tried to talk to martindale and that was a waste of time.... again i'm just glad it happened

i think i should clarify where i'm coming from as a child abuse survivor there are many therapists and christians who will tell you, believe me, that you cannot heal or move on without forgiving this can be very damaging i want to quote something from a beautiful human being, an attorney, who has spent the last 30 years devoting his practice to abused children i hope this helps in explaining where i'm coming from and how important this has been to me personally

yeah i was thinking it could be symantics or defining terms like, if someone said to you: do you harbor resentment ? do you hate them ? can't you move on ? you could answer those questions no i don't harbor resentment no i don't hate them yes i can move on but it doesn't mean "i forgive" sometimes i think the term, "i understand" is appropriate

hi laleo what a great post ** one thing i've often wondered is why some think that lack of forgiveness equals holding onto anger or resentment. are they synonymous ?

"When we genuinely forgive, we set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner we set free was us." i don't believe that for a second

thank you cc

ok sorry i am wrong

catcup, please don't be mad at me, but how can groups / splinters think so highly of veepee ? (please, not for YOU personally to answer) like tina says, i don't really wanna fight no more

thanks jardi, i do know what you mean i've been corresponding with a wonderful human being, Andrew Vachss, i can't even explain how much he has helped me if research geeks forgiveness thread were around, i would post on it i know this is an aside of sorts, but i can't help mentioning it

dottie, you've remembered more about my life than i'll ever know :wub: (bad thing about mastering the art of denial, you block both the bad and the good ;)) how dare he ask you for a massage !!!!! hahey johniam and allan, did you read what dot's post ? can you slither around this one "biblically" ? recently johniam referred to me (in reference to sexual assault by veepee) as something like the greasespot hospice patient who never actually dies. and allan said that if you mention veepee and sex, that rascal's head and my head start spinning ** rascal, i really do understand a lot about shame and guilt. i'm so thankful you didn't drive off that bridge. and dottie, you know how precious i think your life is, as well. this is a difficult thread, isn't it ? i think of my corps friend who wrote in his note about wishing he were the man he knew to be. just tears me up. it's weird, i took pfal and went in corps etc. etc. trying to get over a lot of that worthlessness. i don't know if that is a good reason to commit to god. and i'm not sure i thought about it then. i'm just saying i was teenager who really needed some help with self image. watered garden, i'm so very sorry you contemplated suicide in the way many hugs to you too to condemn themselves in many cases.....i don't think you can help people if you don't really care about them of course not to mention when you don't know what the hell you're doing (except being thrown a book called "competent to counsel" or something)

i was reading the lawsuit thread....

don't be lettin the giants hear that kinda talk

wow ! http://users.aristotle.net/~russjohn/toadsuck.html http://www.toadsuck.org/index.asp

i'll be here, well if i get a nap first today i was talking to the sweet gal who cuts my hair (i did NOT say COLOR shut up) she called tonight amateur night when she said she would be staying in we were laughing about how times square is inconceivable for us now without porta potties !!!!! is it gonna be Dick or Regis ? i heard different things i wish you all a wonderful new year

'tis the gentleness aka lovingkindness of god that leads a man......

just thinking about the term doctrinal / practical error is enough to make me depressed for the rest of my life

johnny i asked you what you thought about his behavior or responsibility for his behavior (in contrast to giving glory to god or the devil) and you said it ain't gonna' happen in this life well what happened in veepee's life really did happen, and i don't think it's wrong to point that out that's where i was coming from